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1  Bitcoin / Project Development / Ethconomy.io - Discount Gift Card Marketplace | Looking for feedback on: November 09, 2019, 05:00:26 PM
I've been working the project for the past couple of month.


Ethconomy.io is p2p marketplace between retailer gift cards and ETH (and other token in the future), where buyers of gift cards can buy discounted gift cards using crypto, and sellers of gift cards can buy crypto anonymously using gift cards (while paying a premium for privacy or ease of access in regions without reliable fiat -> crypto gateways).


I'm looking for your feedback on the app:

1. How do you feel about the buyer user experience? Is it intuitive? Any confusions on how it works without looking at the app guide?

2. Are the gift card discounts attractive?

3. Would you use ETH for purchasing gift cards? If not what token would you prefer instead?

4. Which retailer would you like to buy gift cards from? Currently only Amazon gift cards are available.

5. Does the app look trust worthy? What can be done to increase the trust?

6. If you have any other idea or suggestion feel free to share


Thanks in advance Smiley
2  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Ethconomy.io - Save on Daily Expenses by Paying With Crypto on: November 08, 2019, 04:02:47 AM
are the cards sold on the platform virtual or physical?

All cards are verified cash purchased with cash receipts.
3  Economy / Service Announcements / [ANN] Ethconomy.io - Save on Daily Expenses by Paying With Crypto on: November 08, 2019, 02:06:27 AM
What is Ethconomy.io
Ethconomy.io is an OTC marketplace between retailer giftcards and ETH (and other tokens), where buyers of giftcards can buy discounted giftcards using crypto, and sellers of giftcards can buy crypto anonymously using giftcards (while paying a premium for privacy or ease of access in regions without reliable fiat -> crypto gateways).

How it Works
A good way to earn money is to save on irreducible every day expenses such as food, groceries, consumer goods, etc.

This is what we set out to do with Ethconomy.io, a platform that allows you to cover everyday expenses using crypto at a discount.

For example, you can purchase Amazon gift cards with up to 30% discount, which can then be used to buy groceries, food deliveries, consumer products, and giftcards to other stores/services.

Here are the steps:
  • 1. When you visit the app at https://app.ethconomy.io/, you will be prompt to connect to your Ethereum wallet if it did not auto connect.
  • 2. Once you are connected, you can select from the list of available giftcards from different retailers and place a purchase.
  • 3. Fund of the purchase will be safely kept in the escrow contract, and will released upon refill or return upon cancel.
  • 4. Orders will be filled within 24hrs of purchase, and delivered via email.

Why it Works
We are advocates for the privacy of personal online data, and looks to explore the potential and power of cryptocurrency as a payment method.

There are two roles in the world of Ethconomy:
Consumers are people looking to spend their crypto to purchase for giftcards. They can place orders from retailers on Ethconomy using crypto at a discounted price.
Brokers are people looking to purchase crypto. Once a consumer order is placed, it is settled by a network of brokers who fulfill orders on behave of consumers in exchange for cryptocurrency. They benefit from receiving crypto anonymously by paying a slight premium. At the early stage the Ethconomy team will act as an aggregator for brokers (i.e pre-ordering cards from brokers in bulk and fill orders on-demand) to ensure speedy fulfillment.

Technical Details
The platform is ran on the Ethereum blockchain in the form of a dapp and all transactions occurs on smart contracts (complete open sourced contract code can be found at https://etherscan.io/address/0xbea8bcb843ccd1d17ff4b4a4b0850ad5de3607d3#code). Consumers can directly access the dapp using wallets such as Metamask, Trust, or Coinbase wallet without having to create an account or sharing any personal information.

Avoiding Fraud
To avoid transaction of fraudulently purchased cards (e.g giftcards purchased by stolen credit cards), only cards purchased by cash with corresponding cash receipts will be served on the platform.


Visit our site at https://ethconomy.io/

Or go straight to the app at http://app.ethconomy.io/
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Idea In Progress: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 24, 2019, 04:21:11 AM
hmm not sure why this post was moved to the service announcement section. To be clear, the project is still in development, and am looking for general feedback and interest.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Idea In Progress: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 23, 2019, 04:44:04 PM
The idea of "saving" money here isn't really good. If you will just spend something in order to save that 30% for something in order to buy those basic needs then you aren't saving at all you are just spending more on unnecessary things just to get that discounts. The 30% "saved" on something when buying from your service should have been 100% if they had not bought anything from the service. I'm not ruining your idea but don't fool people that they are earning something when they are buying from you. The 30% discounts looks great if people are really looking for that bargain hunt but discounts, cashbacks, and rebates are a direct opposite for people who want to save money for their basic needs.

What we mean is we can help you save money on everyday expenses that you already have.

For example, if you order take outs on Uber eats every so often, you could use ethconomy to save on those orders.

Or if you were planning to buy a pair of shoes on Amazon, you can get a discount on it through ethconomy.

You aren't getting my point, with your example you are just promoting people to spend on something they don't need like will they really earn something when they buy shoes or will they just spend on another unnecessary stuff just to get that discount? I know this is a useful website for people trying to get the best bang for their buck but this is not a website to promote saving money or earning anything. It's like one of those e-commerce sites having discounts frequently and trying to say how much money they will save if they buy and buy from them but the truth is they are just flushing more money out from this people without them realizing it.

In my example I mentioned you could use Ethconomy to save on cost for thing you need to buy regardless of Ethconomy, such as food, groceries, and other thing that you are already planning to buy. So by using Ethconomy you are affectively saving since you are now spending less money than you were before.

I personally make 99% of my daily life spendings on Amazon (i.e using Prime Now for groceries and food, and Prime for other goods), these spendings are inevitable. We can agree that by getting 30% off of all my Amazon spendings, I am saving 30% on all my daily expenditures.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 22, 2019, 03:37:11 AM

  • How would you address the amount of volatility cryptocurrency has?
    • Knowing that people are looking at USD prices most of the time, not the amount of Crypto
    • Fast paced changing of prices might affect the sellers and buyers.
  • With the discounted prices, are you still able to provide profits for your own business? Taking the volatility and other variables that could affect your growth.


I think recommending already listed coin is better than raising a crowdfund at the moment . Any time I recommend a stable coin instead of bitcoin or any volatile coin in this forum for such a trade, my posts would be deleted. I dont know if its coincidental or part of the forum rules but the volatility of bitcoin does not always encourage the use especially for maximalist.

That is what we are going for. We are not planning to run a crowdfund. And we will support major coins such as BTC, ETH along side of stable coins such as DAI, USDT as payment methods.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Idea In Progress: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 22, 2019, 03:25:05 AM
Ideation
A good way to earn money is to save on irreducible every day expenses such as food, groceries, consumer goods, etc.

This is what we set out to do with Ethconomy.io, a platform that allows you to cover everyday expenses using crypto at a discount.

For example, you can purchase Amazon gift cards with up to 30% discount, which can then be used to buy groceries, food deliveries, consumer products, and giftcards to other stores/services.

The idea of "saving" money here isn't really good. If you will just spend something in order to save that 30% for something in order to buy those basic needs then you aren't saving at all you are just spending more on unnecessary things just to get that discounts. The 30% "saved" on something when buying from your service should have been 100% if they had not bought anything from the service. I'm not ruining your idea but don't fool people that they are earning something when they are buying from you. The 30% discounts looks great if people are really looking for that bargain hunt but discounts, cashbacks, and rebates are a direct opposite for people who want to save money for their basic needs.

What we mean is we can help you save money on everyday expenses that you already have.

For example, if you order take outs on Uber eats every so often, you could use ethconomy to save on those orders.

Or if you were planning to buy a pair of shoes on Amazon, you can get a discount on it through ethconomy.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 21, 2019, 03:26:46 PM
I think we need to wait until seeing the site working to judge technical matters, but there are some questions:

 - Guarantee Cards: How can we ensure that these cards are from reliable sources and not stolen, hacked or reused?
 - Discount: you talked about a 30% discount but did not specify the exact level, as there are a lot of competitors such as https://purse.io, which provides discounts and reliability.
 - Escrow: How can third parties ensure that you are selling valid codes and that plaintiffs can prove that the code you sent them is not working?

I've updated the original post with some more details and hopefully answering some of the questions you've listed!

In terms of discount, it will be a fixed ratio based on the price of the card. Smaller valued cards will have lower discounts while larger value cards will have higher discounts. The exact discounts themselves is floating, and adjusted based on supply and demand from consumers and brokers.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 21, 2019, 01:47:20 PM
You should make it explicitly clear. Your thread right now is just an advertisement. "Use our website to get gift cards at a discount", etc. If it's actively in development and not yet 'commercial' per se then you should be making that clear in your thread, rather than making it one big ad. This section is for talking about your progress in development, asking for ideas, feedback on sections, where you are exactly, etc. It's not a section for only saying 'come check us out'.

I see. I will make updates to the post accordingly to be more fitting to the channel.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 21, 2019, 01:37:31 PM
Can you stop using Project Development as a place to announce your service? You posted this thread in Project Development originally and it was appropriately moved to Service Announcements. Now you have created another thread in Project Development so that you can announce it twice. That's not what this section is for. You have a commercial, developed service, nothing in anything you have written anywhere indicates that it is a project in development.

This thread shouldn't have even been created. It would be appropriate in Service Announcements, but it rehashes what you have already put in your announcement thread without adding anything new.

Apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong channel.

Our project if not yet finished and is currently under development which is why i've choose to post the idea here to get feedback and discussion. I appreciates all the comments and questions I've received so far.

When it was moved to service announcement channel last time there were comments concerning that it was not appropriate for that channel since the service is not even available yet.
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 21, 2019, 03:10:07 AM
Great concept. I have a couple of questions with regard to what you are offering.
  • How would you address the amount of volatility cryptocurrency has?
    • Knowing that people are looking at USD prices most of the time, not the amount of Crypto
    • Fast paced changing of prices might affect the sellers and buyers.
  • With the discounted prices, are you still able to provide profits for your own business? Taking the volatility and other variables that could affect your growth.

There's no question about the How and Why it Works in your claims because that's one of the things that you need to consider when protecting yourself, especially in this technological age. I'm just wondering how are you going to address my concerns above.


Thanks for the questions crwth!

Price volatility is definitely a valid concern, and we will be adding support very soon for stable coins such as DAI and USDT in addition to Bitcoin and Ether as currencies on the platform. This provide an alternative for people what are sensitive to volatility.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Idea In Progress: Earn money by paying with crypto and saving on costs on: October 21, 2019, 02:45:17 AM
Ideation
A good way to earn money is to save on irreducible every day expenses such as food, groceries, consumer goods, etc.

This is what we set out to do with Ethconomy.io, a platform that allows you to cover everyday expenses using crypto at a discount.

For example, you can purchase Amazon gift cards with up to 30% discount, which can then be used to buy groceries, food deliveries, consumer products, and giftcards to other stores/services.

How and Why it Works
We are advocates for the privacy of online personal data, and looks to explore the potential and power of cryptocurrency as a payment method.

There are two roles in the world of Ethconomy:
Consumers are people looking to spend their crypto to purchase for giftcards. They can place orders from retailers on Ethconomy using crypto at a discounted price.
Brokers are people looking to purchase crypto. Once a consumer order is placed, it is settled by a network of brokers who fulfill orders on behave of consumers in exchange for cryptocurrency. They benefit from receiving crypto anonymously by paying a slight premium.

Technical Details
The platform will be ran on the Ethereum blockchain in the form of a dapp and all transactions will occur on smart contracts. Consumers can directly access the dapp using wallets such as Metamask, Trust, or Coinbase wallet without having to create an account on the dapp itself.

When an order is placed by a consumer, it goes into an orderbook and funds are locked in an escrow contract. Brokers can see all orders on the orderbook, and choose which ones they want to fulfill.

Brokers fulfill orders by inputing the code for the giftcard corresponding to the order. The code is encrypted with the consumer's public key.

Once an order is filled, the consumer will be notified and can view the code by decrypting with his private key.

Throughout the transactions, no personal data is provided by either parties.

Avoiding Spam and Fraud
To avoid spam and fraudulent activities, brokers will need to deposit a stake equivalencing to a portion of the order price. The stake will then be held in escrow for a period of time.

If the consumer finds the code inputed to be invalid or purchased through fraudulent methods, he/she can initiate a dispute by depositing the same amount of stake.

Once a dispute is initiated, the platform will intervene as a third party to resolve the dispute based on evidence provided by both side of the transaction. And the winner of the dispute takes all the stake in escrow.

We plan to make this process more distributed in the future and allows for decentralized resolution of disputes with some incentivization mechanism placed in.

Development Progress
We have currently developed a network of brokers to ensure fast fulfillment of orders for a smaller amount of consumers, and we are currently finishing up the consumer facing application. We are also opening up early access to the first 100 people that signs up (limiting to 100 to ensure supply can meet demand). If you are interested in the service, you can checkout www.ethconomy.io.

Any feedback is appreciated! And we are specifically looking for feedback and discussion around the dispute process as we believe that will make or break the user experience.

13  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - Cover Every Expenses Using Crypto at a Discount on: October 20, 2019, 02:01:28 AM
We've updated the site (http://ethconomy.io) with a preview look of the app! The release is coming soon  Cheesy Grin Grin
14  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - a platform for trading crypto for anything at lower costs! on: October 18, 2019, 11:39:57 PM
@ethconomy_official

I have a question. You say the orders are fulfilled by brokers and their fiats. We, as users don't know your brokers and from where they come from. ...Especially their money/payment methods...
How can we be sure the brokers aren't using a stolen CC or something similar?


This is a difficult problem for most p2p platforms such as purse.io, LBC, and paxful. We plan to eliminate or at-least reduce the risk of fraud by having in place a staking mechanism for the brokers to disincentives fraud activities. When a broker accepts and fulfills an order, he/she must deposit a percentage of the item price into a smart contract as a stake. The stake is then held for a period of time, allowing time for consumer to file fraud disputes.

For example,
-> a consumer purchase a $100 airbnb gift card.
-> Fraudulent broker deposit stake and fills order.
-> Consumer redeems the card but is contacted by airbnb couple days later for fraud alert.
-> The consumer can then dispute the order, and if he/she can provide sufficient proof for the fraud, he/she will receive the refund as well as the stake of the broker.
15  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - a platform for trading crypto for anything at lower costs! on: October 17, 2019, 04:46:38 PM
What We Do
Ethconomy enables you to purchase goods and services from your favorite brands such as Amazon, Airbnb, and Uber using cryptocurrency at lower costs!
Means you will be in partnership with those mentioned company, am I right? That's such a high ambition, the question is how would you achieve it since it won't be easy to take a big step.

Consumer orders will be fulfill by Brokers using fiat currency, so we do not actually need to integrate with the merchant companies directly! Instead we build a platform that allows the seamless conversion of crypto -> fiat -> product/service.
16  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - a platform for trading crypto for anything at lower costs! on: October 17, 2019, 04:38:30 PM
This is a decent idea - I've always had the idea of a payment processor that would give low spreads and work on popular online sites like Amazon, eBay, etc.

I believe this could work - purse.io comes to mind for a really popular app and it's the only one out there which allows you to pay for Amazon with your crypto-currencies, works pretty well but the rates are pretty shitty.

Good luck op, this project has a real use.

Appreciate the kind words. Paxful and purse are both inspirations for our idea as we are users of both. However there are few improvements we believe that can be made.

One of the improvements is to automate the process and make the user experience feel native as if you can purchasing directly from the merchants instead of on a third party platform. As one of the biggest issues we had when using the other platforms was the overhead time spent on chatting with counter parties, disputes, and going back and forth between merchants and the crypto paying platform.

We are also looking to expand the variety of products that can be purchased using crypto, and expand into every day services such as Airbnb, Uber, and Ubereats.
17  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - a platform for trading crypto for anything at lower costs! on: October 17, 2019, 04:16:47 PM
Why would the cost be lower compared to just buying directly from Amazon? Where is the extra money coming from?

I think we'll know the details when they released the full platform. Btw, they're not providing you with another marketplace, but a new payment mechanism that will give you better rates compared to using Amazon's other payment systems (at least that's what they told you).

I think this project does not really have a good proposition because Amazon could simply snap their fingers if they want to accept cryptocurrencies.

Thank you for the feedback! The value we are looking to provide is 3 fold.

1. Enable payment of ever day product/services in crypto. (which might be obsolete once all merchants start accepting crypto natively).
2. Provide consumers with discount on good and services.
3. Provide brokers with a platform to purchase crypto anonymously.
18  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Ethconomy.io - a platform for trading crypto for anything at lower costs! on: October 17, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
I like the idea of using crypto to pay for stuff, but I dont understand the lower cost part. Why would the cost be lower compared to just buying directly from Amazon? Where is the extra money coming from?

The extra money comes from the brokers. For example, if you were to place order on a $100 amazon product, you might only need to pay $80 worth of ETH. A broker who fulfills the order will make the purchase from amazon on your behave using fiat of $100, and in return they receive your $80 worth of ETH. That $20 different is payed by the broker.
19  Economy / Service Announcements / Ethconomy.io - a place for trading your cryptocurrency for anything in the world on: October 17, 2019, 02:22:24 AM
Our Mission
Empowering people to cover expenses using crypto.

What We Do
Ethconomy enables you to purchase goods and services from your favorite brands such as Amazon, Airbnb, and Uber using cryptocurrency at lower costs!

How and Why it Works
We are advocates of the privacy of online personal data, and looks to explore the potential and power of cryptocurrency as a payment method.

There are two roles in the world of Ethconomy:
Consumers are people looking to spend their crypto to purchase for goods or services. They can place orders from retailers on Ethconomy using crypto at a discounted price.
Brokers are people looking to purchase crypto. Once a consumer order is placed, it is settled by a network of brokers who fulfill orders on behave of consumers in exchange for cryptocurrency. They benefit from receiving crypto anonymously by paying a slight premium.

Ethconomy provides an automated platform to enable such trades to occur - in a fast and secure way.

Website
Please sign up for early access at www.ethconomy.io
20  Economy / Service Announcements / here's a place to trade your cryptocurrency for any merchandise on: October 17, 2019, 02:09:30 AM
Hi guys, we are building an automated market for exchange goods and services with crypto.
Please check our website if you're interested: www.ethconomy.io  Wink
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