Imagine all of the insoluble negative problems just leaving newbie jail would have prevented.

Imagine how much better if sigs didn't exist the forum would be.

I will support your original proposal, if we reset the forum to operate under 2012 conditions free of merit cancer and the corrupt and faux " decentralized" trust.

Noob jail is (what you are essentially suggesting) would work great.  Those sig bans for X period are not being put to optimal use either.

The second solution would create enormous work and be very subjective.


Edit - I see a member already recognized you were describing noob jail which worked great. If now combined with sig bans upon release for x period if reasonable standard was not maintained could be great. Only if merit cancer was deleted as no longer required.

Default trust can be activity/ trade history determined.

where did this one go?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2582458.msg26299465#msg26299465

This threat is a very valuable source of information. Excellent work.

This post is clearly made by someone that has no clue about the forum or who has suffered serious brain injuries. The only other possible explanation given the clear evidence in the OP is that it is seeking favor and merit from the proven and verified scammer lauda.

Another clear example of lauda using red tags to silence people raising questions regarding what some would certainly call shady practices.

Nothing will be done by DT they are terrified of lauda and his gang of merit pumped goons who have entrenched themselves in default trust using the moronic merit = trust system developed by theymos.

There is simply zero point attempting to appeal to Theymos to either fix the system or take care of system abusers and manipulators like lauda.

Things are actually getting worse. Lauds has flipped QS/ PN7 and has got him redacting years old posts on his favor. Removing tags on lauda and his goons. He seems to have awoken the sleeping beauty nullius who immediately awoke possessed to red tag an account laudas prime critic ( that account had not posted for months) on the basis that empathy is unfair. Later to make posts praising empathy. The nullius account is laudas bitch now. We have ChuckBuck felching away (thanks nullius for your great knowledge of felching) and JollyGood the game scam Hunter that will bust scams but then remain silent while lauda and his goons find ways to facilitate their repatriation on to this forum and be paid at the same time by those scams.

Same for suchmoon, he may utter a squeak of disapproval
at laudas red trust bully boy tactics that certainly do pose a financial risk to other members by detering and discrediting valid warnings like those in the op are giving. Suchmoon though soon shrinks away and stops squeaking when lauda turns up the heat. If it were anyone else ( except the true legend CH who suchmoon is terrified of because he destroys suchmoons feeble logic and reasoning for fun) suchmoon would be the usual tenacious wrecking machine that it is. No though, when it is lauda a squeak and no more is said. Why? because even the beloved suchmoon knows Lauda has so many slobbering goons and alts that suchmoon is vulnerable.

There is zero hope to overcome these trust abusing scammers like lauda entrenched by the merit cycling toadies and a few frail impotent old fools like jetcash that don't really have a clue. There are probably less than 3 DT1 that you can say even object to how things are and they are wise enough not to stick their necks out. It would do no good and why lose those sig spots and be bullied and have your accounts ruined and defamed.

The problem is the stupid system. You will always find ruthless scammers like lauda willing to abuse and game any system.  Lauda just openly fucks the system and anyone who gets in its way. Almost a open and honest scammer and extortionist. It is possible lauda sees nothing wrong with abusing the weak and pathtic members who sit back and take it.

Theymos sees this and does what? removed laudas exclusion?  why? LoyceV was first to gloat about that bombshell. I never feel good criticising Theymos it is nothing to do with fear either. It is almost like lauda has something on him as leverage and criticism feels like punishing someone who is already suffering. Since if you examine the history of Theymos posts and ideologies it is inconceivable he would create such a system allowing such abuse of honest members at the hands of those so greedy and dishonest. Almost creating a cancer to erode free speech. If it is intentional then fix this disaster.

Therefore you have zero hope to see any kind of balanced and fair governance. Red tags must not deter your freedom to speak out when you see something is clearly corrupt or a scam. If you wish to speak out the truth but don't want your account ruined just make an alt it takes 10 seconds, get a vpn, pay the dust evil ip, or just get a burner phone sim for the initial login. Whatever, just don't sit back and let a handful of scammers and their goons stop you saying what you want ( if it is true )  

Find those scamming wretches posts, their escrowing services, and money lending threads and their sig sponsors and whenever you have an opportunity while working within the board rules to inject an evidence based warning these are scamming trust abusing scum bags do so. Beware there are mods they will implore to remove your posts at the slightest excuse of rule infraction. Your post must be on topic and relevant to the OP don't just follow the flow because others will be permitted you will not.

Join the guild in meta it is a possible solution to the trust abusing scammers like lauda and his crew.

Those seniors that understand the forum know that merit has directly and indirectly increased the hate levels to a significantly more unpleasant level.

They have created a 2 tier system and that will always result in some extra legitmate hate and friction.

When you understand how this is meant to self regulate then you realize it is based upon continual threat and collusion. The power will always break down into managable factions that will eventually agree to divide up the spoils and attack all possible competition except insurmountable opponents ( the other factions).

You don't see the constant state of fear, loathing, seething hate at the unfairness those not part of these abusing factions will feel?

Merit is a highly destructive cancer. It could be made useful with some minor tweaks.

rude = good?
rude = wrong?


rude is just theymos not wanting to put down some sensible objective definable rules we can work from.  Ever the anarchist and perhaps even the king of the trolls. Bags of popcorn ready with every new merit monstrosity. Can't wait for the DT1 threshold to be moved up to 500 or 1000 cycled merits. Obviously not enough popcorn stocked yet for that faux decentralized bombshell. Or even a lauda inclusion for extra entertainment. Maybe at the same time with a merit volume switch on meta and rep too. Maybe only scammers can be on default trust? that way they know what to look out for?

I have personally grown impatient with this compounded mess of merit and "trust"    but to remove laudas exclusion was simply grotesque. In light of his proven scamming and trust abuse of senior honest and faithful contributors to this forum.

Rude ? more like a complete betrayal of trust in vast majority of cases. If you wanted to say something to another member you can post in on the forum

The truth is the truth. If that is a unique view then that reflects poorly on this forum.

Of course you can present examples of my " views" that you feel are incorrect and we can debate them.

Let's await laudas explanation of this required 180 on " leaking" Private messages.

It was not vague with respect as to who it was you were referring. The others are you friends so you would not be critical of them. The vagueness was in defining the off topic irrelevant bitching parts of the highly relevant and valuable context others were prsentinf that were strictly on topic.

Anyway, has anyone seen lauda? his explanation is taking nearly as long as the one explaining his scamming and trust abuse. Almost like he is afraid to present it because it will immediately be debunked as a pack of feeble excuses to push double standards on other members when they stand up to his untrustworthy corrupt antics.

Your suggestion that incontrovertible proof, the plain truth, and other arguments no member has been able to debunk are simply unique opinions is quite telling.

There is no winning over people to abandon their unfair advantage over others. There is only providing warnings to others outside of the corrupted and broken systems of control.

There is also the satisfaction of watching them run away and hide like roaches when the spot light is focused on them. If you can not debunk a persons arguments or demonstrate any of their core points is incorrect then to run for the cowardly ignore button is all they have.

Doomad you are Doomed if you continue to openly support scammers, their double standards and abuse of the trust system. These posts will be read by millions of people as the history of bitcoin is examined by future generations.

I'm sticking with

Only lauda of the admins or prior admins claiming (now it suits him) that it is fine.

If theymos wants to come and say rude = fine. then he can. Until then I will take rude as wrong

Please no derailing off topic whimpering with vague irrelvant conjecture.

I see only admin and prior admin " opinions" on "leaking" private messages and the validity of those opinions being debated.

" bitching about things they didn't like in the past"

is it correctly translated as

" scamming and double standards of my friends must not be mentioned even if they are clearly relevant and on topic"

There is the prior admin lauda, who is coming to explain the massive changes that subsequently took place that required him to 180 on " leaking " PMs, that is going to be very interesting. Hurry Please lauda. I look forward to this.

Can you Doomad be more useful to this debate by telling your friend lauda to return with his explanation. So far we have

Theymos = it is wrong
SaltySpitoon = it is wrong
Flying hellfish = it is wrong
Lauda = it is wrong to leak private messages if it reveals I am telling people to remove their friends against their will because they are intimidated by me and my toadies. I would never do it to others.

to
Lauda  = it is correct to leak other members PMs if it suits me,and I will cry if I get measures by my own standards.

It would be nice to see all admin and prior admin are on the same page. Some may believe it is not essential to pay any attention to a prior admin that was disgraced and was removed due to being strongly implicated in an extortion and has been proven a scammer who red tags his whistleblowers. I have sympathy for those with those views but why not give lauda the opportunity to demonstrate their was a massive change that required a full 180 on his opinion of "leaking" PMs and not just more double standards and manipulation.

I am hoping for the best.  Lauda don't let us down.

Message marlboroza is sending: Me and my scamming DT friends want people excluded that will stand up to us.

Marlboroza includes proven scammers on his list? should we be following his trust inclusion orders?

Suchmoon projecting nicely on to Tecshare. This is borderline stalking if you look at the focused attention suchmoon gives his idol Tecshare.

I hear they are casting for Dumb and Dumber 3. I wonder if there is a finders fee for these two.

Just because you need to have another read
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53961494#msg53961494

You will note that your invalid concerns are addressed there.

There is no " become" about it.

Your first 1000's of posts are one liner speculative shit posts. Guessing on sports betting, bitcoin price and memes. Those would likely be case for a ban now.

I looked through your last 5 pages of posts and nothing but the same garbage shit posts?

Are we looking at the same account? this is one of the very worst uses of forum resources I have ever gone through.

Pure unadulterated garbage? shitpost on top of shitpost?

This is a serious challenge. Bring forth just 10 of your very best " original thought provoking posts"  that really had some impact and challenged  or created some significant change.
These back slapping circle jerkers and sycophants are nauseating. Either they are all retarded enough to believe you're a valuable poster or they are trolling you.

Let me be the voice of reason and truth that reveals you are pumping out pure shit and once you accept that your bag of cycled merits is not to be conflated with the notion of valuable poster or valuable member. Then I can get to work on sending you off on the correct path.

That may all sound like harsh criticism but I was holding back. A true friend must at times bring some semblance of reality when all around you are allowing you to humiliate yourself for their amusement.
Come my friend, I will help you bake the finest cake possible given the very limited ingredients you have. You will soon make posts worthy of merit, if only but once per year.


It is important that some members attempt to inject some truth into these threads. Most just want to smirk and add their fake congratulations and cheers. All along just wanting the odd merit morsel here and there, or to join the Meta merit club.

A true friend tells you how it really is.
2000 wasted merits.  

Can you produce the evidence where you leaked a PM in public here?

We should analyse the details.

Also did you claim that you never would "Leak" a PM like lauda has stated?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51188874#msg51188874

I mean if someone defines an action as untrustworthy themselves then do  that same action. They define themselves as untrustworthy? right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51188268#msg51188268

Love it when you suddenly realize it suits you better if your understanding of something is reversed.

When you act in a certain way towards me or my DT colluding group it is wrong and untrustworthy. When I or my DT colluding group act in that way towards others we suddenly realize it is okay and totally trustworthy.

When will Theymos snap out of it and put an end to the double standards scum bags in DT?

What a bunch of snakes we have in DT.

What about lauda? he says he will never "leak" PM under any circumstances?
Idiot? wrong? hypocrite? liar?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51188874#msg51188874

Lauda does not publish PM whatever the reason. Then again lauda is a liar and scammer that is proven, so really lauda will leak members PM if it suits him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51188874#msg51188874

This is the thread where lauda was punishing bill gator for publishing a PM that revealed lauda was bullying people in private to remove their friends.

Read that thread.

Actually I may be wrong looking at past events.

Looking back actually it seems yes they should be kept private.

Many advocated red trust was given to bill gator for publishing LFC bitcoin admission that lauda bullies him to exclude bill gator from default trust.

I think many including lauda said this publishing of PM is a red tag offence.

Many members say this is a red tag offence. So unless it is to prove someone scammed it is not allowed.


Saltyspittoon admin for 6 years say it is not allowed

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51187764#msg51187764

Flyinghellfish mod says not allowed
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51187882#msg51187882

lauda says they would never leak any PM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145975.msg51188874#msg51188874

Try to read and understand. Ask questions if you get stuck

This addressed and answers your question

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5226886.msg53961494#msg53961494

Chipmixer spammers don't want to have any annoying transparent objective standards do they:)

The lists they cry... not daring to address the core principles. Pathetic Sig spamming scammer supporting weasels.

Focus on presenting a robust argument to retain your subjective red tags. That's the only power you have. Once there is a level playing field and you are held to the same transparent objective standards as every other member you are finished.

It has been addressed several times, but presumably because they want to retain their self appointed privilege to silence whistle blowers and use red tags to continue with their dishonesty and dangerous behaviors, whilst milking the forum with their signatures, they pretend not to have read the replies they don't want to accept.

Let's try one more time.

The guilds core principle and goal is for transparent objective standards to be the only foundation for negative trust.

When there is critical support to push that change through then every member will abide by those transparent objectivev standards.

Your current red tags are not essentially an indication of the way you wish to see the future of the trust system. If you express a desire to see a move to a transparent objective system you may join the guild.

To make this simple for you to understand.
When you are creating an alliance or treaty or ceasefire then all parties will only need abide strictly by the terms once the agreement is made and there is sufficient agreement for the terms to be enforced for all parties.

So the lists are not dependent upon past use of the trust system essentially. If they have expressed a desire to move to the transparent objective standards when it is supported enough to do so.

There is no point crying about the lists until you have the public opinion and desire of a member on the list who will not confirm they have a desire to move to the standards the guild is trying to push through as a foundation for the trust system.

Once there is enough agreement and support to ensure these transparent objective standards are the foundation for recognized warnings here then the lists should be retroactively examined for trust that does not abide with the standards.

I hope that assists you understanding of the lists.

Feel free to join the list to support the guild. I don't see frivolous use of the trust system previously is reason you should be excluded. Simply confirm publicly you wish to move to the transparent objective standards or tell Tecshare if you feel worried you will be targeted before the guild reaches critical support levels required to protect you from the red tags being used as retribution for supporting the objective standards guild.

Only proven scammers and those that have a history of direct financially motivated wrong doing should be prevented from joining.

Feel free to copy this or quote freely to future list queries.

Read,  Re-read, understand and stfu about the lists. Say you want to move to transparent standards and keep to it going forward. We can start analysing all prior tags once the lists once the guild has reached the required support to make a real difference.

Those members generally complaining appear to have used the trust system not just in a frivolous way but have used in an attempt to silence whistle blowing on scammers or those engaging in direct financially motivated wrong doing.  This is treacherous and dangerous.

They will not reliquish grasp on their favorite subjective red tag abuse which they use to crush free speech or as a get out if jail free card for thier own directly financially dangerous behaviors.

I don't think the repetitive cries from malboroza the scammer supporter of 2 proven scammers or nutildah the willing scam facilitator for pay, or JollyGood the pretend scam Hunter who allows his mates to work with scams should be taken at face value ever

Hi suchmoon.

Where to start with such a sloppy mess.

Ok, let's break it down and destroy it.

Proven racist is proof of proven cryptohunter. Read nutildahs proof of proven cryptohunter. You'll get it eventually.

Your sig spamming opinion on chipmixer sponsored trust abusers and therefore the danger they place the forum at by devaluing that system is of no interest. You need to debunk the clear examples of chipmixer trust abusers that have been provided many times over.

As previously mentioned there is no requirement to demonstrate all are trust abusers or scammer supporters. Only that some are and that they still remain chipmixer sponsored.

It is nice that you recognize lauda as being the obvious scammer reference being made. I maintain suchmoon remains a scammer supporter.

* they support another auction scammer. and self confessed trust abuser

* they support a self confessed willing scam facilitator for pay

* they did include lauda for a long time it is also as they know not required for lauda to remain in DT for now

* they stabbed Theymos in the back and tried to undermine his reasonable suggestion to remove a proven scammer, extortionist , shady escrow and trust abuser from a position of trust

* There are many ways to support a scammer and their potential to scam and abuse outside of including them

* they stalk and try to discredit any serious critic of lauda

* they never openly agree to discuss the undeniable scamming of lauda

* they will not red trust lauda or flag him for scamming

thanks for allowing me to assist your understanding of my clearly undenible and irrefutable points.

I am more than happy to open a thread to debate this if you like.

This is about chipmixer and sponsorship of trust abusers, the dangers they pose and the scammer supporting shit posters they sponsor. This I maintain is clearly a very robust POV and you Will find it impossible to debunk. I invite you to try. This thread should be long and active.

Trolling is easy to deal with. You demonstrate clearly that they are lying or incorrect. If they continue to present their statements as true or correct they will be warned or banned. If it is clearly false they are deliberately trying to mislead members which is dangerous.

If they are just continuously making negative claims about you that they can't substantiate then that is something you could call for public review. They need to substantiate to continually throw negative claims at you. They need to provide compelling or have some strong and reasonable grounds. Like if every thread they were claiming you were a scammer they should be able to provide evidence of that when called on it.

You can not expect protection outside of that since that would require bias. The truth should protect you but here that is not always enough

Make up your mind. These are all alts of cryptohunter any alt that brings up inconvenient truths are cryptohunter. That is proven nutildah the scam faciltating friend of yours says so.

JollyGood is going to debunk these claims of they are untrue.

Suchmoon you can help him. Tell him how those seeking to work with and facilitate scammers is fine. Like mosprognoz unless he calls you fat of course.

Perhaps you should debunk those very simple and robust claims that are being made about you ?

They look to be truths that any member can verify for themselves by following the links  provided and researching for themselves.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

I challenge you to debunk them.

The obsession with cryptohunter is excellent. Every member presenting the truth should be thought of as cryptohunter.  

Everyone is cryptohunter. A proven racist is the proof of proven cryptohunter.

The proof of trolling is simply the proof of telling the truth.
I have been looking into nutildahs history. I will address it on his own thread.

Being a proven crytohunter alt myself according to the sold account of nutildah and alt of lauda, I want to say that I do not say DarkStar is anywhere near as bad as many of these other proven scammer supporters and trust abusers. He is likely just wishing for an easy life here.

Chipmixer reputation is being damaged by sponsoring Those members that abuse the trust system.

Nutildah claims nobody cares about ThePharmacists use of a puppet account to racist troll spam for the highest dog returns he could milk from the forum. Nobody cares at chipmixer it seems. Racist trolling sneaky sock puppet Sig spamming  is cool with them right?


Nutildah also claims that nobody should care that he has demonstrated he will facilitate scamming for around 300 dollars and will try to delete evidence once this was brought to the attention if other members.

Suchmoon supports both of these members but tries to silence members that raise these points.

Suchmoon supports proven scammers like lauda and is trying to prevent objective transparent standards that would ensure equal treatment of all members.

Chipmixer as you can see sponsors suchmoon who runs away from debating laudas scamming. Suchmoon prefers to pretend to be objective while doing all he can to prevent The subjective gamed metrics being abolished.