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1  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any limit or holding stable coins.....? Any risk of hodl the max coins? on: July 11, 2020, 05:10:10 PM
What is the difference between hold money on your bank and hold money in USD? I don't see any valid point to hold huge amount of USD or USDT. If you hold your USDT/USD on exchange then they would locked it for any reason like money laundering and so on. Another issue if they blacklisted your address then probably you will not be able to use your USDT and if company skip then your fund will be ZERO. I am wondering why are you so curious about hold USD/USDT. That's the disadvantage of centralized crypto-currency, crypto-currency shouldn't be centralized at all.


We have restrictions in our country so if we withdraw to our bank they will close the accounts and we should wait for some more years for clarity of crypto in our country.

Thanks!
2  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any limit or holding stable coins.....? Any risk of hodl the max coins? on: July 11, 2020, 06:18:50 AM
Why would you even store it as stable coins? If you weren't going to buy any crypto's and would only buy it, later on, might as well buy it straight later on as crypto, instead of buying stable coins right now. Besides, if the governing body of the said stable coins were to suddenly have an issue crop up, say, legal issues, you're money would basically be frozen there and then, and I doubt you'd be able to retrieve it successfully. Here's the thing, just hold it as Fiat if you aren't going to buy crypto.

Additionally, is there even a reason for hodling stable coins? Crypto, yes, for the future because they think of it as an investment so hodling it is completely understandable, but stable coins? Just buy some if you need it if you don't just let it sit as regular ol dollar.




I want to hold stable coins for this reasons


Now for example take ethereum as best example.

In november 2016 the price of ethereum is $10 per coin.


Next the coin increased to $1400 in november 2017 or january 2018 right.


So if i invested in ethereum in 2016 november the total coins are 1200.

So if i sold in 2018 the calculation 1200 x $1400 = $1680000

Now let us say if i convert them in stable coins why.......?


Now let us say ethereum coin has decreased its price after pump to less then $100 or $150 so at that time i like to buy the ethereum with stable coin i means i want to use the process of reinvesting.





The above all things are only example i have not hold any large amount of coins in stable but in future i want to follow this reinvest future but is this good or bad........?


Not let us say if i have 100K in stable coin like binance is good...?


Thanks!













3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do you trust USDT? on: July 10, 2020, 04:11:36 PM


What about another stable coins like Binance usd...? and other stable coins......?
4  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any limit or holding stable coins.....? Any risk of hodl the max coins? on: July 10, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
If you want profit of holding cryptocurrency, stable coins no make sense if you are holding this.

People say that stable coin like USDT is not safe to hold, because they are not back up by the dollar, also there is news I heard USDT can be manipulated. I saw a thread that there someone asking if USDT is trusted, Do you trust USDT?, I guess you can get a further idea about why you did not trust stable coins.

If you're going to ask me, I won't hold a stable coin at all, they seem not to be trusted due to their past trust issue.


What about other stable coins like binance usd...........?


I mean normal coins are not stable so if we hold some stable coins so we can buy some other crytp coins in future what you say.....?

Thanks!
5  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any limit or holding stable coins.....? Any risk of hodl the max coins? on: July 10, 2020, 03:48:16 PM
I think there is no limit to hold stable coins, and you can hold as much as you want. And if you have much usdt in your wallet, I think you can buy bitcoin and other potential coins at a low price, so you will have a chance to make a profit in the future. If you only hold usdt, you will not see the opportunity for profit because usdt price is not up and down too far, and only bitcoin and altcoin will have that chance. But that will be up to you, and if you choose to hold bitcoin or altcoin, you need to know the risk.


Yeah i can understand your version but  i mean after selling the coins iam asking to hold for small duration of time ofcourse i know to buy the coins i mean to invest the coins when they are low using stable coins.

Iam asking here is after selling how much coins can i hold for small duration of point or for withdrawl to the bank.

Thanks!
6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Is there any limit or holding stable coins.....? Any risk of hodl the max coins? on: July 10, 2020, 12:11:56 PM


I have seen some usdt holder coins have black listed.

This black list done due to scams run by the holders of udt..?

Or due to increase holding limit of the usdt......?

I mean they have banned nearly 990K coins of usdt.


Below are the references.

https://www.coindesk.com/circle-confirms-freezing-100k-in-usdc-at-law-enforcements-request


https://cointelegraph.com/news/tether-blacklists-39-ethereum-addresses-worth-over-46-million

https://twitter.com/ercwl/status/1281230932796719104


I don't have any maximum  Grin But in future i want to hold more usdt i mean like stable coins is there any limit of holding the stable coins....?


Is there any risk of holding the maximum stable coins.

Thanks!


7  Economy / Trading Discussion / Hi what is 50x leverage? and why compound price dump after binance listing? on: June 30, 2020, 04:33:51 PM


Hello!

I have seen the compound price is going down after binance listing.

But what actually is 50x leverage ......?

https://ihodl.com/topnews/2020-06-29/binance-will-launch-compound-perpetual-contracts-50x-leverage/  .........?

Thanks!
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the difference between eth 1.0 and 2.0 on: June 24, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
Your coins should be safe as long as you don't do something careless like expose your wallet's private keys one way or another.

I really don't know the technical specifics, but one of the main differences with ETH 1.0 and 2.0 is that 2.0 will move into proof of stake, meaning people wouldn't be able to mine ETH the way people mine Bitcoin. Instead of buying GPU hardware, they "stake" their ETH instead, locking them up for a certain timespan, while receiving the rewards.


Stake means you mean we can mine eth without the hardware .......? just from desktop if we deposit some amount of eth for stake.....?


And by the way According to stats https://www.coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ ETH has Total supply of 111,483,639 ETH will it be increased in future.....?

Thanks!
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / What is the difference between eth 1.0 and 2.0 on: June 24, 2020, 03:53:51 PM
Hello!


Iam hearing news that ethereum will upgrade to 2.0 but i want to buy the eth now.


Does it effects my coins after i mean when it will upgrade to 2.0 or my coins will remain safe and nothing will happen like same eth will be 1.0 and 2.0......?


some confusion please explain

Thanks!
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does Compound Coin is worth investing......? on: June 19, 2020, 04:32:51 PM


Hi

I have seen THe compound coin have rising huge https://www.coinmarketcap.com/currencies/compound/


Why this coin has huge rise even though it doesn't have maximum coins.


What actually compound coin increasing why........?

Maybe you can ask the team in their Telegram group if they have any, i also saw some people talking about it in a telegram group am part of, it was such a big rise at this time where many project are not doing very well, to think that comp was as high as $231 and now correct back to $197 at current price is really surprising, although it has very small supply, total supply is 10 million out of which 2.6 million is in circulation, I guess because it is a decentralize finance project is the reason why there is much interest.
@op you can do your research and understand the project more better to know why the price has risen so much all of a sudden.


You said total coins does maximum supply counts or total supply counts ..........?
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Does Compound Coin is worth investing......? on: June 19, 2020, 04:08:51 PM


Hi

I have seen THe compound coin have rising huge https://www.coinmarketcap.com/currencies/compound/


Why this coin has huge rise even though it doesn't have maximum coins.


What actually compound coin increasing why........?
12  Local / India / Re: Shocking - With a law, India plans lasting ban on cryptos on: June 12, 2020, 07:45:46 AM
Yes i have also read this post https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/with-a-law-india-plans-lasting-ban-on-cryptos/articleshow/76330403.cms


but it takes time i think like 1 year.

But many companies may suffer even software companies may suffer.


13  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: May 20, 2020, 03:36:42 PM
Ok you mean if we get the free lance income in bitcoins then if i convert to any other cryptos and that cryptos conveted to INR later will be treated as normal bracket right i mean we no need to pay capital gains rather we should pay regular taxes on the income right......?


Please update this line in your FAQ's there are many people having this doubt that they are thinking that it is also treated as capital gains but it is treated as normal tax as you said i request to please update the FAQ's thanks!


Thanks!

Right! I have updated FAQ, here is the excerpt of the same:

Q3. I have received freelancing income in Bitcoin and then I bought altcoins with bitcoin. Later I sold altcoins for profit, how should I treat my income in return?
Ans. Theoretically, you have made two taxable events - one when you received income in bitcoin and second when you sold altcoins for profit. But due to anonymous nature of cryptocurrency, you can treat all transactions as single taxable event and pay tax on the final amount withdrawn to bank as per normal tax slab. Read this post for more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206607.msg54447056#msg54447056



Great thanks for adding.


Another important doubt here.


you said all the transactions will be paid as regular income of the year under normal slab but can we mention these transactions in the itr file returns......... or how to mention this income source............?


Thanks!
14  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: May 20, 2020, 07:36:00 AM

Now let us say I'am free lancer i have paid $5000 in btc next i have converted it to other coins like eth

and sold and converted it to inr which one should i show the price for it returns i mean i should show $5000..?

And also does converter also treated as trader or investor.......?

Thanks!


If I am understanding correctly then you are saying that you received $5000 as your freelancing fees and then you invested that income in other coin, say ETH, right? Now read the details below carefully. I hope it will help you.

See in this situation, theoretically there are two taxable events arising:

  • First when you received freelancer payment, you made the income of $5000 hence tax is payable on $5000.
  • Second when you bought ETH, you are now investing as an investor. Imagine you sold ETH for $5500. So any profit you made over and above $5000 i.e. $500 will be taxable as capital gains.

This should be correct taxable treatment for your case:
  • Suppose exchange rate was $1 = ₹78  on the day when you received freelancer payment. Hence, your income will be 5000*78 = ₹3,90,000. So tax as per normal bracket is payable on ₹3,90,000
  • Suppose exchange rate was $1 = ₹75 when you finally sold the ETH. Hence, your profit on investment will be (5500*75) - (5000*78) = ₹22,500. So tax as per capital gains is payable on ₹22,500.



The above treatment I described is as per normal currency i.e. fiat currency i.e. INR or USD. However, we are dealing here with more complex issue i.e. cryptocurrency. So overall, we can eliminate first taxable event if we like as we are dealing in cryptocurrencies. Consider the following two situations:

Number One: You receive $5000 worth BTC in private wallet (such as MyCelium or Electrum) and then you send BTC to Crypto-to-Crypto Exchange where you haven't done KYC like Binance. Then you exchange ETH to BTC on Binance. Finally, you send those ETH to exchange like WazirX and convert those to INR.

Number Two: You receive $5000 worth BTC in Exchange wallet like WazirX directly. There you convert BTC to ETH and keep ETH on WazirX as well. Finally you sell ETH on WazirX for INR.

Now note: In case of 'Number Two' situation, you have to follow the treatment I described in first half of my post. You should consider your whole trade as two taxable events because you have done KYC with WazirX and they have record of your all transactions. But in case of 'Number One' situation, your first taxable event is completely anonymous so rather than showing whole trade as two taxable events, you can simply show the final conversion i.e. selling ETH for INR as you income and pay tax as per normal bracket on 5500*75 = ₹4,12,500. No need to show capital gain transaction at all.

I hope it clears most of your doubts.



Ok you mean if we get the free lance income in bitcoins then if i convert to any other cryptos and that cryptos conveted to INR later will be treated as normal bracket right i mean we no need to pay capital gains rather we should pay regular taxes on the income right......?


Please update this line in your FAQ's there are many people having this doubt that they are thinking that it is also treated as capital gains but it is treated as normal tax as you said i request to please update the FAQ's thanks!


Thanks!
15  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: Does any one file taxes on bitcoin or any other crypto in india on: May 19, 2020, 06:08:38 PM
There is no legal/illegal legislation in India so you do not have to pay a tax on bitcoin as long as you store that amount in the form of Bitcoins and do not transfer it to Indian Rupee.
Whenever you convert your crypto to Indian Rupee and make some profit/income, you must pay taxes (According to Income tax.)

Since you are an investor and you process the transfer or withdrawal to your account once or several times during the financial year, you will benefit from Section 44ADA of Income Tax, So you don't have to keep any record. Just think about the total receipts and pay the tax at least 50% of the receipts.

you can read this example for more:

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Example: I withdrew Rs. 10,00,000 during the financial year in my bank. Then I will show Rs. 10,00,000 as receipts from my consultancy business. As per Section 44ADA, I have to show my profits to be Rs. 5,00,000 or more (52-55% recommended), let say I show profit to be Rs. 5,20,000. Then I have to pay tax on Rs. 5,20,000 which will be around Rs. 14,000 or zero if I claim deductions of Rs. 20,000 or more (such as LIC premium paid, etc.).

Source and more info ----> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206607.0



Thanks!

Buying and selling also come to trading.


for example if i buy some alt coins like 1000 for $200 and hodl for 1 week.



and if i sell the alt coins 1000 for $500 for profit after 1 week.


Does i belong to trader.......? or investor please explain.



I want to invest in altcoins for example i want to buy eth and later after 1week i convert to another alt coins does i belong to investor or trader.


Does investor and trader have to file separate taxes in income tax or only when you convert to INR only i should pay the taxes for the converted INR transactions.....?

16  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: May 16, 2020, 07:58:47 PM
~~snip~~


But what about taxes on conversions.......?

I mean if sold btc for tether i mean i hold coins like stable coins is those taxable or only income tranfered to the bank is taxable......?

I have another doubt if i brought btc for $5000 sold btc and hold some usd coins for example btc sold for $3000 and converted to usdt and hold stable coins for 6 months.

And brought btc for $4000 and sold for $20000 and which  brought price should i show should i show $4000 or $5000....?

Thanks!


Hey Vijay,
Thanks for your questions.





Now let us say I'am free lancer i have paid $5000 in btc next i have converted it to other coins like eth


and sold and converted it to inr which one should i show the price for it returns i mean i should show $5000..?

And also does converter also treated as trader or investor.......?

Thanks!




You don't have to pay taxes if you sold BTC for Tether (USDT). USDT also comes under the bracket of cryptocurrencies. Only income which you withdraw to bank is taxable.

For second question, it's up to you. Generally crypto-to-crypto transactions are not traceable so if you did crypto/crypto trade on exchange where you haven't done KYC and it is separate exchange from the one where you convert crypto to INR then you can consider $5000 as your purchase value and pay tax on Sell Amount less $5000. Alternatively, it is up to you if you wanna show two transactions. One bought for $5000 and sold for $3000. Other bought for $4000 and sold for $20000. But since second buying is not from your bank, I would advise you to go with first option and show whole trade as single transaction.
17  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: May 16, 2020, 07:24:21 PM
Hey I am sorry if this is a extremely noob question, but what if I buy btc from a site like paxful with UPI but never sell it then do I have to only pay tax in the year that I sell it? So just hodl-ing means no tax?

Yes. You don't have to pay tax if you are just holding Bitcoins. Tax is charged on income but buying Bitcoin doesn't generate any income. Income will be generated when you will sell the Bitcoins for profit. Thus the event will be taxable in the year when you will sell your holdings and make some profits. Make sure to show it as capital gains whenever you sell it.

Consider this image for further reference:





But what about taxes on conversions.......?


I mean if sold btc for tether i mean i hold coins like stable coins is those taxable or only income tranfered to the bank is taxable......?



I have another doubt if i brought btc for $5000 sold btc and hold some usd coins for example btc sold for $3000 and converted to usdt and hold stable coins for 6 months.




And brought btc for $4000 and sold for $20000 and which  brought price should i show should i show $4000 or $5000....?



Thanks!



18  Local / Marketplace (India) / Can Indians Hold Stable Coins? on: May 16, 2020, 07:17:17 PM


Hello!


I hope all you know able about what are stable coins?


For example like USDT tether, binance usd etc.



Can indians hold stable coins after converting from btc to usdt......?


stable coins belong to dollar price know like 1 coin= 1 dollar so indians can hold the stable coins......?

Thanks!
19  Local / India / Re: People pay your Taxes - 2.0 on: May 16, 2020, 07:07:13 PM

You said

" But I strongly suggest you all to not spend Bitcoins directly for buying expensive assets like house and cars. Since status of Bitcoin is still not clear, you may land in big trouble if Income Tax Department tracks your transaction, it may be considered as money laundering. So always withdraw amount to bank first, pay tax if applicable and then spend on whatever you like."


I have invested in bitcoins through bank balance and next i will sell via and transfer money to bank and i will pay tax and i will buy house.... right?


You mean we can't directly buy house with bitcoin? if it is right please edit your article with more detail.

Thanks!
20  Local / India / Re: How bitcoin will be taxed in india and we need to pay for holding also? on: May 16, 2020, 06:49:56 PM
I was contacted by teosanru yesterday and he suggested the idea of improved thread on crypto taxation for the financial year 2019-20.

Currently we have this thread on taxation (written by me) and it will answer your query to some extent: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206607.0. But there are better ways to report your crypto income under Income Tax Act and teosanru will post a new thread on the same very soon.

Once he post the new thread, I will make the necessary amendments in the pinned thread.



afaik if you go with capital gain route than as per your txn/calculation it will be 30% on 4lacs profit you made.

so 1.2 lac is the tax needed to be paid, but it will also depends on other variables like how long u held the btc before selling etc.


That isn't complete information and quite misleading. Please wait for new thread for updated information.


Good article https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206607.0 i have doubts can i pm you Thanks!
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