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It's not a question of philosophy, really. I was asking practical question.
One can argue that you can simply ask some friends of yours to "hey, write this on paper, take a pic with famous object on the background, I'll pay you xxx USD".
Meanwhile (as topic about team is rather endless), replying your answer of token consumption, what I wanted to know is your plan to encourage repetitive consumption. How will you encourage someone to spend SWR (or using your program) weekly or monthly or annually
Many market studies implies that the market size and use of cloud storage solutions is going to increase by 2 numbers each year. 2 Examples: The global cloud storage market size is projected to grow from USD 50.1 billion in 2020 to USD 137.3 billion by 2025, at a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 22.3% during the forecast period. The cloud storage market size was valued at $46.12 billion in 2019, and is projected to reach $222.25 billion by 2027, growing at a CAGR of 21.9% from 2020 to 2027. Apart classic Blockchains are not designed for data storage. But Web 3.0 needs this feature and many use cases rely on storage. That is why decentralized storage solutions / networks started to appear at the ecosystem. People are continually creating huge amounts of data, and much of it needs to be kept for long periods of time, in a secure and private way Storage pricing rivets USDT, lower prices over time (Moore’s Law of Hardware). Assume that 1SWR=1USD. Starting from 2020, pGB = 0.002 USD/GB/year; Deposit and Withdrawal fee = Permanent Deposit fee+Permanent Withdrawal fee+Tx fee = 0.4 SWR + 0.4 SWR + 0.04 SWR = 0.84 SWR/GB We think that for much less than 1$ have 1 GB of data storaged permanent in a decentralized system is a great price. With an easy a secure system to manage the files users will trust the system. This is more aimed to permanent solutions like backups that and online sync system like One Drive. |
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By the way, if those pictures are your effort to show credibility as a "proof of team profile", it didn't work. A hand and a written piece of paper is not face, and in this world no face means your project is questionable until proven otherwise.
Anyway, I'm here today to ask about how will you encourage token consumption.
It is a question of philosophy. You are an investor, we are developers. That the photos have no identifiable value, of course  . But first they serve to show that you are not a one-man team. And that we are a team distributed all over the world. And that that group photo is difficult to take and even more so in these times of social distance. In the end it depends on the answer of each one to the question that is blockchain for you. A way to create an ICO and raise funds or create a decentralised solution that improves a use case and gives people more power and freedom. Faces have never mattered more than the code or the solutions working in this field. This whole revolution was created by someone who wanted to remain anonymous until he wanted to. Pseudo-anonymity or the search for ownership of your own information is a basic and fundamental philosophy. It is also ironic, because when you have a hit, a good content, it doesn't matter what your name is. Many times one face is not the producer. And I think we have all seen many projects with many beautiful faces that did nothing in the ICO fever in 2017-2018. And again, Stashware does not currently have an open ICO, STO, IEO. I personally am more confident about a good code documented in a repository. Than just a whitepaper signed by a face that is not one of the big ones. And to see that a project at the end its development team is outsourced or a fork varying a bit previous solutions. A Mockup is not a product. But that will be developer's stuff. We are weird and strange people. Regarding your question about token consumption. I hope I understand you well.
SWR tokens are used in two ways as Proof of Stake, miners need multiples of 16,000 tokens to be selected to verify transactions. And the token is used as a form of payment to save the data. You pay to store permanently and to access data permanently Stashware Storage Price GB SWRPermanent Deposit Price 1 0.4 Permanent Withdrawal Price 1 0.4 Tx fee 1 20% (of total cost) |
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For all we know, to think the negatively possible way, there could be only one person in this team, who tried to scam by pretending they're 10 different people working together. No evidence to support your statement of 10 people, no pictures, no background to trace back, and conveniently, they're also refuse to share their face because they don't feel comfortable with that. One "we are not scam" statement doesn't help.
It could be but it isn't. Again, let me emphasize that we are presenting Stashware's technology solution, its advances and improvements to other solutions, whether pre-existing or under development, within the decentralized storage ecosystem. Publishing the Technical Whitepaper and the system of economy that will govern the network, and reward the miners and with which users will pay for the services of secure and private decentralized storage. We have not launched any ICO, STO, IEO or asked for any investment, we do not have an announcement to buy the tokens at this point. Nor are we collecting user information with any newsletter. We are developing the solution with our resources. So there is no place to use the word Scam associated with Stashware no matter how much doubt you have about the current information available about the project. You may have doubts, but let us have the benefit of the doubt until you see a buy from us ad. We are more focused on discussing ideas, getting feedback from the people in the forum, and seeing the interest in the Decentralized Storage Networking trend. For example your contributions are very interesting. And that is what we are searching for. We want the code and ideas to speak for the project, not our faces. If you are interested, I have no problem connecting with you on linkedin. For me it will be a real pleasure. I say again, and you know this very well, that reputation is everything, and that entering into an exchange or getting a positive review is not achieved if you don't give true and relevant information. Nor if your solution has no value or is not backed by expert people. Besides, we know that one of our weaknesses in this forum is the lack of seniority. We had to create fresh newly users like mine. We have had to create our users and they are brand new. And a newly created group of accounts in a thread is not going to give much more confidence either. As I have pointed out. What we are interested in is to show our network working. The latest versions of code in production are stable and with great performance. The team is going to start releasing code more frequently to public repositories. We will also change and improve the corporate image including logo redesign. To start improving communication and adding banners and better diagrams to spread better messages in our social channels. We are in the process of implementing the faucet additionally. Our goal is to show not to sell. But as I said before we are moving forward to improve those details. |
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In short: team is still looking for a solution for this.
There are ways to get around this issue, one that's surely not that complicated, but I am not sure if I should really share the idea, not before I am sure you're not just another scam project. And by the lack of details, and several minor issues like the fact that your ann thread barely populated by people that's interested on your project, to be blunt, I have a serious doubt that you can survive.
Did you even consider some exposure? Made yourself known to the forum and cryptocommunity?
So...? Will you share the team details? Soonest possible?
Hi Miiike Always is great to have your insights In Long (as you see I like to explain with details) As I commented before, that feature is within the product backlog to be developed within our roadmap. But currently the development team is focused on the mainnet. It has not been addressed beyond what I said, although you can be sure that the development team is aware. But there are more pressing things like good network performance and ensuring your privacy. When that stage of development arrives, we will wait for your input if you want to provide it. No, this is not a Scam project. Let me remind you that we have presented a very interesting value proposal that makes improvements over other solutions within the decentralized storage ecosystem. Incorporating the most relevant technologies within the state of the art.As it is a Blockweave structure to manage the registry. Or Wildfire to propagate the information to the nodes. Trust is everything in this field. and Trust and security is what we want to transmit to our users. In the development we haven't asked for any funds from the users, and we are doing it with our own resources, earned with effort and tenacity. And the economic system to integrate the miners with PoS and the economy of the token that involves the purchase of the SWR users to store their data and pay for the space, you know that it has to surpass certain controls. This is not a 2017 ICO without any value asking for money per idea and wishing to be millionaires and to something else. Of those we have seen many. This is a serious project that has an excellent idea developed by talented people and hopes that this idea is the one that gives value to the project. Real Content for Real Value. As I've said before, the Stashware team consists of more than 10 people, 5-6 of whom are fully dedicated to development. The rest of us are in management, communication, documentation, business. It is important to us that Stashware is known at BitcoinTalk, but we are a mainly Spanish and Latin American team. So now our main metric isn't how much interaction we get in our official threads right now. But as you see we value so much the interaction with some of the most involved brilliant people here. But our core ecosystem doesn`t move or communicate here. At the team communication level that's what I'm here for as a spokesperson or technical ambassador or the official accounts as a way to bring the messages together and facilitate their follow up and more in these forums that are based on account reputations. Also in the state of our project we are well so. Even at the risk of raising some eyebrows. To tell you the truth I doubt that it will convince the cryptography and cyber security part of the team to reveal much of them. You will know more about the front and business side, than about development, since many of them, because of their work, are not exactly prolific with complete profiles. The community is a very wide thing. You find users and receive feedback, in multiple other channels. As I have also explained, I have been following an agile approach, trying to get the opinion of the potential interested parties right away. That is why we have published the value proposal, and our ideas in the media, as we do, from CTOs of large companies to developers of our LATAM ecosystems. Also remember that the times each project handles it differently. We are in interesting times and there are external factors such as Covid 19 that impact on planning. It is not a question of sooner or later, but of doing it at the right time. And that can be, after a milestone, a meeting, the securing of a support. We are aligned with our planning and that is what is important |
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But this IS a core feature. Your selling point is a service that allows people feel safe to keep their data without the fear of being lost (hence, cloud) or stolen (hence, a third party security system). How would they feel secure if there were no failsafe for the case of the unexpected? I don't think this is an additional feature.
Of course, we can rule this unfortunate event as a team's poor judgement or something that team failed to see. But, this leads to the second thing that pique my interest the second I study your project: team details.
Certainly you didn't plan to offer a data securing service without telling your clients who are the people behind the screen, right?
Well, again we are working in a field originated by a mysterious figure or group of developers hidden under an alias. But we strongly agree that transparency is the best way to combat Smokeware or Scamware. Being aware of the unknown. Hence the importance of having a section about us or our team in the project. An aspect that we must improve in our web. At the end you are entrusting your data to a cryptographic mechanism that keeps it safe from other people's access. And to a decentralized network. It's clear that no exchange will trade our token unless we provide verified and contrasted information about the security of the project. And we are working in the matter not only from the technological side, but also from the legal and business side to make this be done. But our code is available for review and this is another way to check that the project does what we say and that there are no hidden elements that undermine their confidence. At the end although it is important who this behind the mirror, if the Wizard or the scarecrow. The important thing is that when a user invests in SWR so that their data is distributed permanently and safely and only accessible to him, make sure that this is so and that the nodes comply with the contract. But no, it is not the objective of Stasware members to be unknown, only that there are times and steps that are taken when a decentralized project is created. |
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But this IS a core feature. Your selling point is a service that allows people feel safe to keep their data without the fear of being lost (hence, cloud) or stolen (hence, a third party security system). How would they feel secure if there were no failsafe for the case of the unexpected? I don't think this is an additional feature.
Of course, we can rule this unfortunate event as a team's poor judgement or something that team failed to see. But, this leads to the second thing that pique my interest the second I study your project: team details.
Certainly you didn't plan to offer a data securing service without telling your clients who are the people behind the screen, right?
Miiike we can agree that this feature is important, by providing a security mechanism that facilitates that data does not become unreadable. And this allows people less versed to access this type of technology. But we disagree that this is a core feature and disagree that this is due to poor judgment by the development team. We are precisely in a bitcoin forum where value is transmitted, without that safeguard mechanism, when keys are lost or tokens are sent to the wrong address they are lost. And we are talking about elements with a lot of value. Nor do I think that similar solutions within the spectrum of decentralized storage solutions such as Sia, Storj, Arweave, Filecoin ... have incorporated such a feature since the launch. I do not know personally as it is difficult to know each solution in great depth if any incorporates it at present. The priority of the development team is to create a secure network, and that the mechanism of consensus works, distributing the information through the nodes, with all the other challenges of speed and performance. The primary and most important thing is that the network works and that the wallet is integrated. If this reduces the spectrum of users to those who are aware of the importance of managing their keys in situations of disability and death. We will work efficiently to expand that spectrum. But most cryptoeconomics projects do not have these safeguards at the beginning. Your keys are your responsibility. As we have commented throughout this thread, and with the help of your contributions and questions. Implementing this feature implies a detailed analysis of the possible solutions. To ensure as much as possible the privacy and security of the data. Some solutions involve providing data, that data like a phone number can be used all over the world, we perform biometric data hashes? In the end it is the trio of something that the user knows, something that he owns, and something that he is. Sometimes you can add something where he is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication And that doesn't solve the problem if the user doesn't share his data if he suffers a disability. It's not a trivial issue. It's a big mouthful that has to be chewed and swallowed and deserves its own space to be raised and developed when the network is working. I'm sorry that we didn't meet the needs of a perfect solution from the launch, but we are working on it. But reaching perfection is not going to prevent us from first releasing a solution that works perfectly. |
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So uhh... in other way, to put it bluntly, your team still have not decide what implementation can be used to safeguard an unexpected event such as the user passed away unexpectedly?
Welcome again Miiike, hope you had a wonderful end of summer. Yes. You are correct. The dev team is busy finishing the Mainnet and the core features. The development has not advanced that far to be at the point of adding additional features. So the safeguard feature has not yet been selected for development and therefore has not been analyzed in depth for its implementation. |
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The development of Stashware continue without delay, as we continue with improve and test our platform.
We soon share great news with you here.
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Hola Borja, desde hace algo más de un mes las finanzas descentralizadas DeFi han sufrido un avance increíble, no solo en la aparición de proyectos y plataformas, sino también en la capacidad de atracción de capital. La verdad, he visto algún gráfico de su crecimiento y da miedo. ¿ Crees que puede darse el mismo caso en el mundo del almacenamiento distribuido?. Si fuera el caso, Stashware estaría casi en primera línea de salida para conseguir grandes éxitos en breve.
Hola, he estado echando un vistazo a otros proyectos relacionados con el almacenamiento descentralizado, y alguno está multiplicando x5 su cotización del último mes. Todo parece indicar que el sector se está moviendo rápido y con fuerza. En este sentido ¿Cúal es el estado de desarrollo de Stashware? Por ejemplo Las Finanzas descentralizadas o DeFi están cambiando como se entiende los productos y servicios financieros, dando mayor libertad y muchas veces reduciendo los costes pero ofreciendo mayor valor, incluyendo también otras tecnologías. Pero como todo hay que analizar detenidamente la propuesta de valor. De ahi que los proyectos de almacenamiento descentralizado también estan despertando interés sobre todo porque su propuesta de valor es clara, ofrecer almacenamiento en la nube como soluciones distribuidas pero centralizadas como son almacenamiento personal como One Drive o Drop Box, o almacenamiento en la Nube como AWS o Azure. Pero a un menor coste. De ahí que la gente vea su potencial. Además si sumamos que Stashware es permanente y seguro y orientado a la privacidad el interés y valor ofrecido a los usuarios y mineros es inmenso. De ahí que ahora que estamos probando nuestra Mainnet el interés por nuestra solución crece. Es un campo al que te invitamos que te unas, no solo por las posibilidades de uso si no el retorno que obtienen los miembros de la red por invertir en la infraestructura de la red que ofrece este almacenamiento distribuido. |
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Si, actualizamos nuestros canales oficiales al principio del hilo. Añadiendo los canales. En breve actualizaremos por ejemplo nuestro repositorio para que podais analizar el código. Por curiosidad DSN es Decentralized Storage Network. Estupendo. ¿El código?, eso estaría muy bien, además veo que habéis añadido dentro de la web https://stashware.net/ un apartado para las wallets. Si en breve el código estará en github para que cualquiera pueda descargarlo y analizarlo. La red de Stashware esta programada en Golang, y nuestra wallet es una wallet web que esta programada en node.js y con un frontend en Vue. El repositorio aparte de indicarlo aquí, estará como siempre en el segundo mensaje del hilo para que cualquiera de una manera fácil pueda consultarlo. En el repo también colgaremos las instrucciones para compilar el código. |
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Si, actualizamos nuestros canales oficiales al principio del hilo. Añadiendo los canales. En breve actualizaremos por ejemplo nuestro repositorio para que podais analizar el código. Por curiosidad DSN es Decentralized Storage Network. |
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The articles on Medium are good, but I think it is important to use social media to facilitate the spread of articles.
There are many people who are looking even if it seems to be few at first glance.
Yeah we are aware of this situation that is why we publish our social media, and we are going to increase the channels where we publish. We want to spread the advantages of decentralized storage. Now in forums, Medium and Twitter and soon in many other social networks. Many people are currently interested in any crypto project. I hope your project will gain great popularity:D Well we are working hard and soon we will have great news about our network. |
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The articles on Medium are good, but I think it is important to use social media to facilitate the spread of articles.
There are many people who are looking even if it seems to be few at first glance.
Yeah we are aware of this situation that is why we publish our social media, and we are going to increase the channels where we publish. We want to spread the advantages of decentralized storage. Now in forums, Medium and Twitter and soon in many other social networks. |
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It's interesting.
look forward to the next.
Great to know about that p3ngu1n. Do you like our medium articles? |
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Hola Borja, acabo de leer el artículo, y entre que está en inglés, y que hay algunos conceptos que no los entiendo muy bien, me aclaro lo justo. Ahí va una serie de cuestiones sobre el tema. ¿Qué significa llegar a un consenso en un sistema de PoS?. ¿Quién llega a este consenso, los validadores, los mineros, los que tienen los tokens, los que poseen los sistemas de almacenamiento,...?. Al final alguien tendrá que computar algo, ¿no?. ¿Son los mismos que tienen los sistemas de almacenamiento?. Gracias por las aclaraciones :-) Primero, agradecerte el interés. Respecto al artículo no te preocupes, en breve vamos a lanzarlos traducidos para que el idioma no sea un problema para comprender los conceptos y aprovechar todas las funcionalidades de Stashware. PoS es el acrónimo de Proof of Stake o Prueba de Participación en castellano, donde el nodo que valida un bloque y sus transacciones, se elige de una manera determinista según la cantidad de tokens que tenga de la red y cuantos apueste para validar de manera correcta el bloque. Normalmente como no existe un trabajo de resolución de un problema criptográfico, no se suele utilizar el concepto de minado. Que rememora al esfuerzo de un minero picando (intentar solventar el problema) y el oro que encuentra (cuando encuentra la solución y gana la recompensa). Explicado de una manera sencilla, es como si fuera una lotería. Cada token es una posibilidad de ser seleccionado, a mayor número de tokens mas posibilidades. Una vez seleccionado el nodo apuesta una serie de tokens como forma de garantizar que su validación es correcta, apostando que lo que dice es verdad.. Si otros nodos determinan que las transacciones no son correctas, el nodo validor pierde dichos tokens. Si todo es correcto por validar el bloque, el nodo obtiene las recompensas de crear el bloque y las transacciones pagadas. Así el tokens te asegura poder ser elegido. Y una vez elegido tienes que dar tu palabra (apostar tokens) en que lo que validas es cierto. Si es así ganas más tokens. Por tanto los procesos de computación son menores, no hay que resolver un problema, simplemente comprobar que las transacciones son correctas (estan bien conformadas, estan firmadas, tienen fondos...) Los demás nodos pueden comprobarlo fácilmente tambien mediante la cadena de bloques. Los nodos de almacenamiento ganan, pero ganan su tarifa de almacenamiento que está incluida en la transacción. En breve realizaremos diagramas explicativos. Pero en el Caso de Stashware sería así. Tu Joseba (J) quieres almacenar tus fotos de manera permanente y segura en Stashware. Pongamos 1 GB de datos. En Stashware esto se puede hacer de manera sencilla y segura. Los precios no son exactos pero tomemos el ejemplo de nuestro paper económico. Disponible en https://stashware.net/token-economic.pdfPara almacenar permanentemente 1GB son 0.4 SWR, nuestro token. A eso añadimos 0.4 SWR para poder descargar esos ficheros permanentemente. Y se espera una comisión para que validen tu transacción de 0.04 SWR. Eso hace que para almacenar y consultar permanentemente ese Gb dee datos sean 0.84 SWR. Valorando un SWR a un dolar estadunidense. Para ser un nodo validador, un Nodo debe de poseer un minimo de SWR. Por ejemplo yo tengo 20.000 SWR. Eso me da posibilidades de ser elegido. El sistema me escoge. Yo debo de apostar unos SWR en verificar tu transacción y calcular el bloque, que contiene otras transacciones. Para ello se bloquean entre 10 o 20 días mi apuesta. Pongamos por sencillez del ejemplo 100 SWR. Si yo verifico correctamente el bloque. Como que tú tienes esos 0.84 SWR, que has firmado correctamente la transación, que datos quieres guardar.... el bloque es creado y verificado por los demás. Yo como nodo validador del bloque, habré ganado la recompensa del bloque en este caso 40SWR o la recompensa de ese momento, ya que existe halving. Aparte de esos 40 SWR obtendré los 0.04 SWR de los costes de tu transacción, y el resto de comisiones de las otras transacciones incluidas en el bloque. Los 0.8 SWR que has pagado iran a los nodos encargados de almacenar los datos. En Stashware se generan 576 bloques diarios. Espero haberte solventado las dudas. Por supuesto si tienes más u otras cuestiones aquí estamos para resolverlas. |
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