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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is this stolen? on: August 06, 2020, 09:39:57 AM
ok, thank you for that explanation. I always believed that when you chose your passcode, this effectively became the 25th seed word that is used to generate the private keys....so you need the card of 24 seed words + the secret passcode. In that case, I probably wasn't as security minded as i should've been with the seed becausde I thought I had the extra protection of the passcode. doh
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is this stolen? on: August 06, 2020, 09:21:08 AM
I think I have solved it, but it still confuses me a lot.
When I first got this ledger, I have now remembered that I saved a photo of the seeds to my secure folder(mistake #1). I think there must be some malware on the phone, because I have never entered my seeds onto my computer or anywhere else and I don't ever remember opening the image. They must have gotten the 4 digit passcode from monitoring my phone when I used it with other apps, for example some apps are unlocked with the same 4 digit code I use to unlock my ledger(mistake #2). This is the only way I can see that they have accessed it. I've run anti virus etc on there but it's found nothing. I also checked all the installed apps and there is nothing strange here. In fact this phone is rarely used and only really for whatsapp and google authenticator. For this to be true, it would mean someone has had access to my phone for over a month which is very worrying

Physically, the seeds are hidden in my house. I live alone and no one else has access, certainly no one I know knows my passcode or understands bitcoin, or even knows I own a ledger.

$5000 is a nice expensive lesson in security I guess. Thanks all for any replies and help Smiley I'm off to buy a new phone
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Is this stolen? on: August 03, 2020, 11:28:47 AM
Have you ever written your Ledger seed somewhere you shouldn't? (email, dropbox, text file, etc...)

Do you see, in your transaction history, a +0.249 BTC incoming transaction to your wallet from the first transaction? Could you share a screenshot of your transaction history tab?

If your balance is zero and you didn't make any of those transactions, I don't see what else that could be.

the screenshot is here: https://ibb.co/QnnCBsP

I've never written the seed anywhere electronic, only on the card when i bought the ledger 2/3 years ago(checked, it is a legit ledger), and definitely never written down my passcode which is why I am so confused.  I did use the ledger around 1 week before these transactions appeared, and the first transaction of +0.249 makes little sense to me. I've checked all my accounts and the bitcoin isn;t there. I was thinking that I may have made the transactions and forgot, but it looks like the bitcoin has been split into multiple accounts which definitely was not me, so I guess that is stolen somehow
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Is this stolen? on: August 03, 2020, 11:07:39 AM
Hi all,
just logged into my ledger to see a zero balance. I am not great at reading the blockchain transactions, could someone help?

I have 3 transactions I don't recognise.

First this one with 0.249 btc being transfered to me - https://blockstream.info/tx/a79f7ad72da35ea61731852efe39d3ace74dc7e92323a861581f31f01ddf1578
Second with me transfering 0.01 btc to another address - https://blockstream.info/tx/19af75549cecada158a77614c813361371adbb13e731a9c3ab3dc6ea0ee42fab
Third with me transferring 0.4499 btc to another address - https://blockstream.info/tx/a7cab7007fbee0e06d28e9635d442629ed4f0ec08af00453d56b305d8956387c

does this look like its been stolen? the third one seems to get split into many different addresses? I'm not sure if I'm reading it right. it's either this or I did the transaction and forgot where I sent it (unlikely). It confuses me why if this were being stolen, they would transfer 0.249 btc to me before stealing the balance

thanks for any help
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