Depends on those 2 places, and the type of paper and finishing you used...
I mean, you only need one copy to restore your wallet... So, it might be better to have one copy on a laminated paper in a bank's safe than writing those 12 words on some cheap paper and storing them with friends and relatives.
You'll also have to realise that if somebody else has access to your seed phrase, he/she could potentially rob you.
The 24 seedwords are split to two different safe boxes with 12 seedwords stored seperatelly... |
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Is it safe enough to keep the trezor/nano-S seed words in two in two different secret locations with 12 words in each place?
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Is it safe to keep the 24-words of trezor/nano s seed words in two in two different hidden locations with 12 words each?
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Astrum is not our coin, beware of it. Their dev can run away with money
Astrum is not related to TOK and GNR at all
you may be right (nobody really knows) - but the Astrum website is much better-looking, when launching their project... Have you checked the tok's horrible-site design on the ICO launch? No whitepaper too, for example, on these two projects - both tok and astrum. Both have no real plans for real development. There are much other problems with TOK and GNR's dev (dev BLOCKS ppl on telegram-channel who voice themselves on these matters, in the TOK telegram-group)... IMO, tok and astrum are two shaddy 100%-excatly-the same projects (same code) - with no real usage except for selling more and more MN (=for high profits for the the anonymous dev-teams), and pure speculation after getting listed on cryptopia. Their only difference,imo, is that twin-TOK is listed, while his twin-ASTRUM is not yet listed... but who care... please - take my(/our) money (and run)... the two dev teams are marketing promises: TOK-to-the-moon. ASTRUM-to-the moon. When choosing from these two projects: the "real" and the copied-code-one, I do hope ASTRUM will make it better. so , if i build an nice website will you buy coins from me  Astrum is an 1:1 copy of TOKUGAWA so you invested in astrum and hopes make it better than tok  .... while TOK has proven himself ....... i agree TOK had also shady start ..... it was 50 cents what total for an MN was 1250 dollars.... but this is 3000 dollars .... i hope you will gain with this ... for me ... i pass ... I was following TOKUGAWA from day-1. Bought tok mn back in Nov. for 1250$ .. yes ... I've mined thousands of TOK by now - sold most of them on crytopia. I am a Bitcoin-HODLER, not TOK-HODLER. These sold TOK coins of mine also paid for other crypto-projects/investments, including a "free" 3000$/XXX-BTC ASTRUM mn, which I run too. I didn't get rich from this TOKUGAWA project (I didn't sell toks at 20$-per-coin-moon), yet still I am in USD and BTC nice profits. I still run a TOK mn for the minimum PoS 2500 coins needed (and stopped being a TOK-HODLER recently) because I have lost faith in the TOK dev team - so I keep my TOK coins at the minimum needed. I had learnt an important lesson recently, which I will share with you right now: BITCOIN IS THE ONLY TRUE CRYPTO, imo – and, imo, the vast majority of altcoins are shitcoin. Tokugawa (and GNR btw), imo, is one of these shitcoins.. Also, imo, ASTRUM, can improve their elder-twin-same-code-TOKUGAWA-mistakes... ASTRUM can do much better on the long-run for their investors and community. TOK only advantage on ASTRUM right now is that is listed and traded, and ASTRUM is not yet - and that is a big risk. you bought "free" astrum and i bought "free" gainercoin but what did they do or why do you not trust the dev team anymore ?? what happened ?? Yes, I bought "free" astrum and you bought "free" gainercoin - but TOK dev bought/can-buy an appartment house or a private yacht possibly for "free". you asked what happened? From an investor point of view, mine at least, I saw too many red-flags pointing to the fact the the dev lacks TOKUGAWA exclusive inner-devosion, which investors would expect from any dev team - exclusivity for TOKUGAWA and nothing but Tokugawa. The dev (and his team) lacked exclusivity for this (their launched) alt, thus turning it to a shitcoin - spamming the crypto-eco-system with traps. The shitcoinness of TOK is very visiable - even on CMC (# of tok coins locks - ??, unknows, for example) ... and if a dev works (=giving his name and reputation) on a shitcoin, how can you trust his other projects like GNR? One would expect that a GNR-dev-team would be totally exclusivity devoted to GNR success - but this is not the case... TOK and GNR are shaddy projects with the same dev team - with no real usage for both coins, except a plan to sell as many MN as possible with pre-mining... and speculation... No real whitepaper, no development plans, no exclusivity for TOK-GNR from the British-Japanese dev... Not knowing your dev is bad for ppl. We are not in 2009, and he is not Satoshi Nakamoto. |
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Astrum is not our coin, beware of it. Their dev can run away with money
Astrum is not related to TOK and GNR at all
you may be right (nobody really knows) - but the Astrum website is much better-looking, when launching their project... Have you checked the tok's horrible-site design on the ICO launch? No whitepaper too, for example, on these two projects - both tok and astrum. Both have no real plans for real development. There are much other problems with TOK and GNR's dev (dev BLOCKS ppl on telegram-channel who voice themselves on these matters, in the TOK telegram-group)... IMO, tok and astrum are two shaddy 100%-excatly-the same projects (same code) - with no real usage except for selling more and more MN (=for high profits for the the anonymous dev-teams), and pure speculation after getting listed on cryptopia. Their only difference,imo, is that twin-TOK is listed, while his twin-ASTRUM is not yet listed... but who care... please - take my(/our) money (and run)... the two dev teams are marketing promises: TOK-to-the-moon. ASTRUM-to-the moon. When choosing from these two projects: the "real" and the copied-code-one, I do hope ASTRUM will make it better. so , if i build an nice website will you buy coins from me Astrum is an 1:1 copy of TOKUGAWA so you invested in astrum and hopes make it better than tok .... while TOK has proven himself ....... i agree TOK had also shady start ..... it was 50 cents what total for an MN was 1250 dollars.... but this is 3000 dollars .... i hope you will gain with this ... for me ... i pass ... I was following TOKUGAWA from day-1. Bought tok mn back in Nov. for 1250$ .. yes ... I've mined a lot of TOKs - but sold most of them on crytopia. I am a Bitcoin-HODLER, not TOK-HODLER. These sold TOK coins of mine also paid for other crypto-projects/investments, including a "free" 3000$/XXX-BTC ASTRUM mn, which I run too. I didn't get rich from this TOKUGAWA project. I didn't sell toks at 20$-per-coin-moon, yet still I am in USD or BTC nice profits. I run a TOK mn for the minimum PoS 2500 coins needed (and stopped being a TOK-HODLER recently) because I have lost faith in the TOK dev team - so I keep my TOK coins at the minimum needed. I had learnt an important lesson recently, which I will share with you right now: BITCOIN IS THE ONLY TRUE CRYPTO, imo – and, imo, the vast majority of altcoins are shitcoin. Tokugawa (and GNR btw), imo, is one of these shitcoins.. Also, imo, ASTRUM, can improve their elder-twin-same-code-TOKUGAWA-mistakes... ASTRUM can do much better on the long-run for their investors and community. TOK only advantage over ASTRUM right now is that it is listed and traded and ASTRUM is not yet listed anywhere - and that is a big risk. |
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Astrum is not our coin, beware of it. Their dev can run away with money
Astrum is not related to TOK and GNR at all
you may be right (nobody really knows) - but the Astrum website is much better-looking, when launching their project... Have you checked the tok's horrible-site design on the ICO launch? No whitepaper too, for example, on these two projects - both tok and astrum. Both have no real plans for real development. There are much other problems with TOK and GNR's dev (dev BLOCKS ppl on telegram-channel who voice themselves on these matters, in the TOK telegram-group)... IMO, tok and astrum are two shaddy 100%-excatly-the same projects (same code) - with no real usage except for selling more and more MN (=for high profits for the the anonymous dev-teams), and pure speculation after getting listed on cryptopia. Their only difference,imo, is that twin-TOK is listed, while his twin-ASTRUM is not yet listed... but who care... please - take my(/our) money (and run)... the two dev teams are marketing promises: TOK-to-the-moon. ASTRUM-to-the moon. When choosing from these two projects: the "real" and the copied-code-one, I do hope ASTRUM will make it better. |
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let me put it this way for you:
what are you looking for in bitcoin?
more profit on your fiat? or using a decentralized currency and reach financial freedom?
what you asked is the first one "more profit on your fiat" to that i say, you have to suck it up. those people in 2008 and early days that got bitcoin for free are early adopters who believe in bitcoin's future and you didn't.
if it is the second one (although your comments say otherwise) then your main question becomes meaningless! if you want to benefit from using bitcoin then its price wouldn't matter at all.
I am a holder for pension or early retirment from (fiat/crypto) work in 10-20 years time - for me and my brother. then you are a long term investor looking for the profit. in that case as i said you (and other new people like you. me included) we have to suck it up. we obviously have lost a big chunk of the rise so far but it is nowhere near the end of the rise. the same way we are now looking at $1000 (9 months ago) price with regret, others will do the same at the current price of nearly $4000 with regret in 9 months in the future. you say that the rise in value will continue (as collective convincing OTHER people to buy bitcoin at higher price), and it might not be so. What will people gain from buying a 100K$ worth one bitcoin? What would be the logic of that? |
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let me put it this way for you:
what are you looking for in bitcoin?
more profit on your fiat? or using a decentralized currency and reach financial freedom?
what you asked is the first one "more profit on your fiat" to that i say, you have to suck it up. those people in 2008 and early days that got bitcoin for free are early adopters who believe in bitcoin's future and you didn't.
if it is the second one (although your comments say otherwise) then your main question becomes meaningless! if you want to benefit from using bitcoin then its price wouldn't matter at all.
I am a holder for pension or early retirment from (fiat/crypto) work in 10-20 years time - for me and my brother. |
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Is the noble bitcoin selfish in wealth distribution ?
The generations of 2009-2012 owns most the bitcoin wealth, to be followed by 2013-2017 generation... what would the 2021, 2040 and 2074 generations think of us?
It is not about unfair/selfish, it is about adoption. A new technology/innovation has five types of adopters, innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority, and laggards. You take any scenario, be it new tech assets, startups, emerging markets and corporate products, the innovators and early adopters have a substantial advantage because they were quick enough to understand the potential behind it and took a major risk by adopting an unproven technology/innovation. Some early adopters have large numbers of bitcoins because they took risks and invested time and resources in an unproven technology that was hardly used by anyone and that was much harder to secure properly. Many early adopters spent large numbers of bitcoins quite a few times before they became valuable or bought only small amounts and didn't make huge gains. There is no guarantee that the price of a bitcoin will increase or drop. This is very similar to investing in an early startup that can either gain value through its usefulness and popularity, or just never break through. Bitcoin is still in its infancy, and it has been designed with a very long-term view; it is hard to imagine how it could be less biased towards early adopters, and today's users may or may not be the early adopters of tomorrow.
Bitcoin is divisible up to 8 decimal units, it can be further changed if need arises. The last Bitcoin would be mined around 2140, still enough room for everyone to adopt. https://bitcoin.org/en/faq#doesnt-bitcoin-unfairly-benefit-early-adoptershttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cyclethanks |
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My question is: Had bitcoin had a different block-reward and no halving, with a total of 21 million coins in 120 years - would that have made Bitcoin more widely adopted?
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what would the 2021, 2040 and 2074 generations think of us?
Why do you care? [/quote] These people will decide whether we, the holders, will have a pension or not. |
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Is the noble bitcoin selfish in wealth distribution ?
The generations of 2009-2012 owns most the bitcoin wealth, to be followed by 2013-2017 generation... what would the 2021, 2040 and 2074 generations think of us?
Probably something along the lines of: "It's good there were some people back then who, despite the risks, stuck their middle fingers up to the banksters and governments of this world and helped fuel a
system that allowed the world to survive that last final financial crisis that wiped out all the remaining banks and nearly sent the world back into the dark ages".Or at the very least they'd feel glad they have an alternative to a traditional finance sector that's pretty much on its last legs if it hasn't imploded spectacularly yet. It's true, beautifully said. My rabbit-hole, which I don't understand, is why the ppl who bought at 3$ a coin keeps on telling OTHER people to "buy-and-hold" at 4000$. This is the way to make them filthy-rich? |
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Is the noble bitcoin selfish in wealth distribution ?
The generations of 2009-2012 owns most the bitcoin wealth, to be followed by 2013-2017 generation... what would the 2021, 2040 and 2074 generations think of us?
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@r1973
If I remember well you get 5000 Linda if you have a portfolio of 1,000,000 and leave a 24/24 open portfolio; so if you have 1.5m you will have about 7-8000 Linda every 24 hours.
Masternode is much more profitable!
OK. how safe is their wallet from hacking and/or backdoors? Do you have a slack/lindacoin project? |
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hello again support team: I was running a masternode with ranging from 500K to 1.5M linda-tokens for 36 hours, but got no stakes. Nothing happend after 24 hours. Can you guess why?
Now I am running an empty wallet.dat as my coins are in a USB. Should I replace the coins back again into the masternode and keep it running 24/7?
any thoughts?
You can only run a masternode with 30 million Linda. You can only stake with 500k to 1.5M Linda.If you want to get staking reward you must put your coins in a wallet and leave actively online 24 hours everyday. Can you explain "to get staking reward" - what does it mean and how much 1.5M will get? Will I receive the Lindacoin Tokens directly in my wallet (node) everyday? To remind you: I ran a wallet with token for 36 hours and got no staking. |
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hello again support team: I was running a masternode with ranging from 500K to 1.5M linda-tokens for 36 hours, but got no stakes. Nothing happend after 24 hours. Can you guess why?
Now I am running an empty wallet.dat as my coins are in a USB. Should I replace the coins back again into the masternode and keep it running 24/7?
any thoughts?
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is it possible to store lindacoin secure with Nano Ledger S hardware wallet?
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hello LindaCoin support team:
I am running a master-node (for more than 24 hours), with less than 30M tokens. my question is - is it worthwhile to run this wallet (locked) on Windows? I understand I get nothing. Is that right?
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On December 2013, China’s government intervened and cut off the flow of money between Chinese banks and Bitcoin exchanges, later to be poorly and falsely named as a bubble. Behind the Chinese companies stands Chinese Party members, whom have already come to play a major role in a civil war that has divided Bitcoin followers. This war is part of a much larger financial/ policital moves in line with the Belt and Road Initiative on the global stage. The hash-power of Chinese companies (under a single Chinese jurisdiction) has already come to play a major role in a civil war that has divided Bitcoin followers - and China is taking for example IMO SegWit as a hostage in those ongoing (secret-cyber-crypto-)battles, united as said under a single jurisdiction, which does not bode well. China has a majority control of the Bitcoin network, and through its proxy agents for exaplme PR these years as an "identity-ideology crisis", which they have created at first place, acting mindfully agaist Bitcoin early conception, in they claimed war. Bitcoin was to exist beyond the control of any single government or country. China has become a market for Bitcoin (tokens and blockchain) unlike anywhere else. China’s clout is raising worries about Bitcoin’s independence and decentralization, which was supposed to give the technology freedom from the sort of government crackdowns and interventions - this leads to bigger questions of what Bitcoin should look like in 10 or 20 years? China by now has the power and wishes to leadership openly the Bitcoin industry. From the beginning, Bitcoin was designed to be decentralized (operated by all the people who joined their computers to the Bitcoin network and helped process the transactions), but China does not stand for that, thus de-facto changing Bitcoin's ecosystem with those they (can) trust. They take more and more voting and programming core power. China’s government these days decides to pressure miners in the country to their use. The government’s intervention in 2013 suggests that Bitcoin is not too small to escape notice. China will remain dominant in Bitcoin, blockchain and crypto for good. Also, the Chinese government is building up a Social Credit Rating System to determine how much trust can be give to every citizen. Imagine you took a ride on the train without a ticket? Cheated on a test in university? Cursed someone online? This system remembers everything and will give scores. These scores will determine whether you should be granted for a loan, or be allowed to have a new job, or to be suitables for booking hotel-room in mainland China or elasewhere worldwide. This social credit rating system will start operation in 2020. According to the Chinese government, its goal is to allow those trustful people to walk everywhere on earth, and decline the truthless from walking even one step. This Social Credit Rating System can and will most probably use BCC - Bitcoin Cash. Creepy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System |
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