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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Extolabs - legitimate ASIC maker or scam? on: April 28, 2014, 10:55:31 AM
Extolabs is claiming to have started shipping their pre-sold ASICS early, in order to "make up" to their pre-sale clients for offering a discount on remaining units. There is a post on their site from 27 April (yesterday) saying shipping has commenced.

By the way, a quick check on the site http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/ using the Extolabs business registration number 08973540 (found at the bottom of the Extolabs website) shows that the company has only been registered since 02/04/2014! (Clarification: 2nd April 2014 according to UK date notation.) Definitely not reassuring.

Less than a month, and already shipping ASICs?

I guess if they disappear in a couple of weeks, we'll know they're a scam. I don't imagine you can last long after claiming to have shipped orders without really shipping them...
2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Extolabs - legitimate ASIC maker or scam? on: April 25, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
Do some very basic googling (right click image, choose "Search Google for this image..." in Chrome) and get:
"Prof. Dr. Eric Young", who is also broadcast media manager Roland Beutler: http://de.linkedin.com/pub/roland-beutler/33/713/5b9
"Bernhard Schrader", who is also writer Stephen Davis: http://sdavids.com/
"Jerry Cheng", who is also helpdesk and network manager Frank Du: http://cn.linkedin.com/pub/frank-du/5/b5b/b72
"Aaron Antcliff", who is also doctor (the medical kind) Roger Dillier: http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/roger-dillier/71/12a/233
"Jessica Hao", who is also associate director at a consulting firm Fang Fang: http://cn.linkedin.com/pub/fang-fang/13/5a8/a89
"Jimm Trekk", who is also actor Cela Yildiz: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2820781312/nm2553510

well, then the scent of scam is already about them.

That's awesome, super useful. Thanks TheRealSteve.

Didn't know about reverse image googling. (D'uh.)
3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Extolabs - legitimate ASIC maker or scam? on: April 25, 2014, 10:05:17 AM
Hi guys.

Yep, I'm a meganewbie. However, in my ASIC research I recently came across this site: http://www.extolabs.com/

They have an ASIC product claiming 3.6 TH/s for $9499, 1900W max power load. This manufacturer is claiming to have sold 1000 of their EX1 miners already, and are now offering a huge 40% discount on their last batch of 300 (now $5699 according to the site).

I couldn't find anything else on bitcointalk about this seemingly very new maker of ASIC hardware. I know the scam drill: New (fake) ASIC maker pops up, claims wonderful things, takes money in pre-orders, then disappears. Do you reckon this is a legitimate offering?


Here's my take:

- A quick search on WHOIS.net shows the same registrant "Jimm Trekk" as a name listed on the site (doesn't mean much), and physical address in the UK. I'm not 100% sure how to interpret the WHOIS data, but it looks to me like the domain was created in 2010, updated last month (March 2014), and expires Jan 2015. A look on the Wayback Machine doesn't show much either (it shows a different site in 2012 to what is there now, but that's about all).
- A Google maps street view of the physical address doesn't show anything clearly as it's inside an industrial park, and can't be seen from the road. (Plus if it's a new business, the Google shots might be out of date.)
- They have a short video on their site showing their miner apparently in operation. It shows the mining hash rate on a monitor, but I'm supposing this can be faked with a bit of coding talent. You don't get to see anyone's face or similar (though that's fairly typical of this kind of video, I guess).
- The site looks pretty nice, but that only goes so far in terms of evidence. I kind of think their office images, and even their staff images, look a bit like stock photos.
- I sent them an email a couple of days ago asking for just a bit more info on them, and maybe some more photos of their offices to show that is their real office location. Haven't heard anything back.
- If they have been around only a couple months, would they be likely to have sold 1000 miners, especially without any other posts on this forum about them?

So, conclusion: indeterminate. However, not a comprehensive analysis by any means. Any thoughts?

PS I'm in no way affiliated with the company, and I reckon there's just as much chance it could be a scam as legit.
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