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Hi! I cannot see any problems there. If you compare what is displayed on our fishbitfish.com page (round #2167, sorry - direct link not available) with the blockchain addresses of both fish: https://blockchain.info/address/13mgzcMQZGc1Fesy41Pqtk68LRd993GPovhttps://blockchain.info/address/1P62GxTs9Vwim595vrxkjmSFwDf6vMLRC2... then you can see that no transaction is missing (within the round's timeframe, of course) and everything has been calculated correctly according to our game rules. I feel this site has cheated me. I was playing a few minutes ago, red and green were neck and neck. We were waiting for the blocks to confirm, and green was obviously going to win. We had more bitcoin in the confirmed side, and more bitcoin in the unconfirmed side. Yet when the block came through, all our transactions were approved. The red, and the green. I have thoroughly checked. Every single adress, it says "confirmed". Yet, only the red side was credited in the game. I was on the green side, and I felt like something was wrong. I looked again at the website, fishbitfish.com and our "deposits" were not even there. Something has to be wrong, I feel that me and my teammates have been wronged. I can provide screenshots of the transactions of the deposit address, showing who deposited, and the addresses according to the sites. You can easily tell that this is incorrect. My bitcoin and the 0.0021 of another teammate has disappeared! (My adresses: 1CLupR2VBaM8G1qoR19ygTcjH23MzFuT1e and 3twzbYVuxs1W1X48uBh3KAHmU22NYaZPv.) http://imgur.com/a/jPXi1I cannot provide the page of the game, but if the owner of this site is cooperative, he can provide it. It was round #2167. I can however, provide the link to the bot's address. https://blockchain.info/address/13mgzcMQZGc1Fesy41Pqtk68LRd993GPovI believe we have been scammed, and we deserve a refund plus the winnings we deserve. Our transactions were sent and confirmed, yet your site doesn't show anything. What is wrong with this picture? I am quite tired, as it is midnight here. If i have missed any info/evidence, please reply to me. I have contacted the person who has lost 0.0021 btc, and he can provide proof. I was on your team and i was quite confused because we were winning before and after the confo balance. It is impossible that the green team won because it was never leading in the final 1hr... I believe we (red) were the true winners and that something wrong happened in the proccess that altered the final outcome. P.S. I lost more than 0.002... but the bets were spreaded into 3 addys because i used coinbase. |
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i think now many games like this , but yet such games are fun to play and yes you always should read rules lol , bombs are hidden in rules  Like the rule of not returning sent funds after the round has ended. I'm pretty sure they could have easily programmed a script to reverse transactions to those addresses after games are finnished but probably they're more comfortable with outright theft. It's just because of the technical difficulty - it would require to check periodically all 1700+ addresses of finished rounds for payments accidentaly sent to them. However, you can ask me anytime to refund any payments - just send me your transaction ID and I send you bitcoins back manually. |
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Red Fish using a shared wallet?
What do you mean with a shared wallet? 1) Each fish in each round uses a unique address (but we plan start reusing old addresses). 2) For payouts, we usualy use deposits from older rounds, not the current round (oldest deposits first). |
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I just returned you both payments. The problem is that there is no single unified time in the bitcoin network (or internet in general). Our game cannot know what time it was on your computer when you really sent your money. So we use the "Received Time" as recorded in the blockchain. It is always risky to send payments in the last seconds... and this game is just about that risk.  |
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I can't prove that this bot is ran by the website's owners
It is not. I'd suggest people to stay away from this website since results can easily be manipulated from bots.
Tools, scripts or bots may help you, but they are not able to "manipulate" results. This game is (among other things) about the risk whether your payment will be confirmed before the end of the round or not. No bot can help you with this risk! + I need a refund for transactions sent in the last seconds. Those aren't even showing and I didn't receive a refund. I'll happily remove this accusation if the admin admits this mistake about some transactions not showing and refunds me.
There is no mistake. Please read the game rules: "We don't return payments that are received after the end of the round.". We also don't display these payments. All payments received before the end of the round are displayed correctly. Just check the timestamps in the blockchain. We will return you payments received after the end of the round (even if we are not obliged to do it) if you: 1) write me tx id of your payment 2) promise me that you stop using words "scam" and "mistake" You may call this game silly or stupid but not scam... plus there was no bug in the game for a long time. ;-) |
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It's a mystery to me why someone can think that our game is a scam. Maybe you are confused with one thing: For payouts in the current round we usually use deposits made in any of previous rounds. There is no central address for payouts. Example: You deposit to red fish in round 800 and win. Your payout may come from someone who deposited to red fish in round 798 or green fish in round 797 or whatever. Please keep in mind this when analysing the blockchain.
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Guys this site is a scam, if you look at the addressess deposited and then the ones reiceved you will see, the address of the fish that the owner is against is the same address that some of the btc was deposited from in the opposite fish, and secondly, if you take a look at the address from which the winning fish distributes money from, then youll see that it is also money from the address in which he is depositing into his own fish.
Owner you can pm me about this post, but I have plenty enough evidence
Owner of the site was already accused once for same thing. Just a notice! Last time I explained why that guy was wrong and asked him to write an apology here for accusing us wrongly. No more replies from him. |
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Guys this site is a scam, if you look at the addressess deposited and then the ones reiceved you will see, the address of the fish that the owner is against is the same address that some of the btc was deposited from in the opposite fish, and secondly, if you take a look at the address from which the winning fish distributes money from, then youll see that it is also money from the address in which he is depositing into his own fish.
Owner you can pm me about this post, but I have plenty enough evidence
This is not true! You have "enough evidence"? Then why didn't you simply post addresses or tx ids you were talking about?! Everyone could be able to see that you are simply wrong! Please analyze the blockchain more carefully before accusing someone!  |
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Why not sent winnings ROUND # 640?)
Sorry, sometimes it may take few hours to send payouts. Payouts for round 640 have just been sent. |
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why would i come here and try to "promote" something by saying it's a scam..?
Yes, it was stupid, sorry for that. On the contrary I am awaiting your apology for your claims, both untrue. |
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yep, outcoming. You sent money to the red fish, from your account, using the same one used to send out payouts.
No, you are wrong! 1NTNkfw7rULp4HujMEmpuTkwGFkdnhYz8v is not our address, why do you think it is? There are no outgoing payments with that "payout" note. All these payments are incoming. Please check it again and stop writing something that is not true! |
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Just compare http://managerwar.com/Scripts/managerwar.jswith http://fishbitfish.com/fishbitfish2.jsDo you really think this is what Google and Yahoo usually do? Anyway, good luck with your game. Hi, I am the owner of the fishbitfish.com game. I just want to note that creators of this game have stolen our idea, our client-side scripts and our texts. your idea was nice and you was the first ! but competition exist in every market. Yahoo.com made first search engine but google.com is best search engine in these days. so google steal search engine from yahoo?! I am not agree. You develop your script on php, sql, we develop it on .net mvc ! you just accept bitcoin, we accept multiple payments, you don't offer registration, we offer registration. Finally, Our game strategy is same and I respect you for creation this idea. Good Luck |
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Hi, I am the owner of the fishbitfish.com game. I just want to note that creators of this game have stolen our idea, our client-side scripts and our texts. |
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1) I don't understand you. What you see are OUTGOING payments from the address, not incoming. Yes, we use randomly various old round addresses for payouts in newer rounds - that is how it works. We never join the game by ourselves. Just double-check whether there is some INCOMING payment from some old round address. There is no such payment.
Sorry, wrong explanation - that is not the case. What are you looking at (1NTNkfw7rULp4HujMEmpuTkwGFkdnhYz8v) is not our game address at all, but the address of some of our players! You can see there many INCOMING payouts from various rounds... what's the problem?? |
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Sorry, but you are totally wrong. 1) I don't understand you. What you see are OUTGOING payments from the address, not incoming. Yes, we use randomly various old round addresses for payouts in newer rounds - that is how it works. We never join the game by ourselves. Just double-check whether there is some INCOMING payment from some old round address. There is no such payment. 2) I just visited http://managerwar.com/ for the first time. This is not our game, but they stole some of our client-side scripts. "Same whois"? Everyone can simply check that you lie! (Are YOU owner of http://managerwar.com/, trying to promote the game here?) members, this is a scam. check the owner's address - https://blockchain.info/address/1NTNkfw7rULp4HujMEmpuTkwGFkdnhYz8von the last round, (#618), the green fish was winning, by a lot, we then saw an increment on the red one of about 0.004 BTC, and when we checked the address sent from, it was the owner's. how did you know it was the owner's? this address has been used for the payments at this site,   ` he has also opened a new site - http://managerwar.com/, using the same code and the same whois. |
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I can't find exact definition for provably fair but as I have understood there is always hashes required for provably fair.
Yes, there is no official definition for the term "provably fair", therefore this discussion has little sense. I simply work with the real meaning of these two english words... |
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You mean that fishbitfish.com is not provably fair?! What do you mean? Do you think the game in which the richest player always wins is provably fair ?! If you do, please explain it to us how is that possible? It's just sad way of promoting your page No, I think it's an efficient way of telling people that this game has a huge downsides, and that there is an alternative which fights against all of them. ... 1) Not true that richest player always wins. Just try it. The game a lot about luck - whether your transaction will be confirmed in time, or not. 2) "Provably fair" means that there is a public proof available that the game is fair. In our case it is the blockchain itself. Do you mean that our game is unfair? Or that there is no proof that it is fair? You just added a random factor to the game. Why not, but don't call this feature "provably fair". |
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You mean that fishbitfish.com is not provably fair?! How could it be since it is luck based? If you check their site you can find hash from there. No hashes in your game. But how it would even be possible since it is luck based? Or at least I can't figure out how it even could be provably fair. Hash of what?? "Provably fair" in case of fishbitfish.com means that the blockchain itself is sufficient as a proof that the game is fair. Coinmagnets, unlike fishbitfish, works with some random factor, therefore they have to publish hashes to be provably fair. We have no problem with coinmagnets, I wish good luck to them, I just wondered why they used "provably fair" statement as an advantage over fishbitfish. |
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