for those that haven't read the whole thread, I give you barrabas's proposal which he has since deleted/retracted. very similar to the one proposed by iconicexpert for blackcoin that turned out w/ IE scamming the blackcoin community for thousands of dollars. could barrabas be iconicexpert?
First of all I would like to come in here an apologize for my absence in this thread, I am traveling internationally working on behalf of PINK and have had limited cpu and wifi availability. However my attention has been called to this thread, I have read all of the responses, and I feel compelled to pause and take the time to address this thread, the community, and Barabbas specifically with regard to your proposal.
We appreciate you brainstorming ways to help PINK grow on a global scale in what you perceive to be its best direction. Furthermore we appreciate you taking the time to approach us directly in IRC with your thoughts and provide us with your feedback and then following up with an elaborate and well-constructed PM to me that contained a broad scoped aggregate sample of your ideas along with a rough estimate of what you've determined is an adequate budget to achieve these goals and an example of what you feel like would be an acceptable commensurate compensation for your ideas and general oversight.
I would like to state now for the record that I will not be directly involved accepting any donations from the community on behalf of Barrabas or worldwide THINK BIG, THINK PINK. Since this is not my idea, project, nor do I have any direct involvement with the project or control over its oversight or implementation I will not be liable or responsible for any potential mishandling or misappropriations of funds whether real or perceived. It's just not my style.
In the interest of transparency I will include the totality of our PMs for the community to see so that there is no perceived deception or misinterpretation of our interactions:
Hello Cayce,
Nice talking to you again on IRC. And congrats again of your entry on THE WALL OF HONOR.
You expressed interest in knowing details of what I envisioned as possible and achievable on PINKCOIN. Here it is:
Target goal: Widespread mainstream adoption, of course. That would be long term (which in crypto means less than 2 years).
Steps:
1.- Massive promotion in social media and the internet in general, as well as in physical outlets, of the “THINK BIG: THINK PINK” Campaign. This is very easily achievable, would start immediately and, along with the slogan, will hammer the message that PINK is good and is the embodiment of fairness, freedom, love, integrity, compassion and generosity. In other words, what you have been doin only more orderly so and on a scale as big as possible.
As a direct consequence, PINKCOIN will only be associated with those terms through actions –including your own- that never include any negativity. Attacks will be ignored –or even praised-, criticisms will be welcomed and no matter who or what is posted, there will not be ANY negative reactions by people from the “core team” or closely associated with it.
2.- Outreach plan on action, starting immediately, consisting on contacting and getting the support of Corporations and Women and Gay and Lesbian organizations, from Hollywood to Melbourne, THINK PINK must be everywhere, supported by everyone and sponsored by as many corporations/organizations as possible.
This is, obviously, quite complicated and laborious to enact: There’s a period of evaluation of resources available (very short period), adjudication of tasks to volunteers, evolution follow up and enactment.
THINK BIG: THINK PINK is not just a slogan, it is a plan of action with long term awareness and adoption goals that include creation and/or sponsorship of all kinds of events and campaigns, from sports and recreation events all the way to the White House. And that is in America alone. The reach is worldwide and the concept applies to the entire world.
Or course all of this is not cheap and it’s progress and implementation will depend, naturally, on the willingness of the community to support these efforts. I’ll give you a for instance that is already kind of in motions as per your words regarding the guy in Toronto. Nice and generous as the initiative is, I believe it will be a lot of resources not necessarily well spent. In my concept, a “Worldwide PINK DAY” designed to create a lot of media attention, celebrated in 10-12 of the biggest cities in the world, would be much more effective, with resources pulled for common infography, purpose and message. Imagine, fron Central Park to Hyde Park (London) to El Retiro (Madrid) to the stairs of the Plaza de Espagna in Rome, to Tokyo to… Toronto and others, the same event. The same day. World PINK Day. Promotion materials given aways, cards with PINK in them, T-shirts… everything captured in photos and videos that will be uploaded to every madia in the internet from Instagaram to the PINK channel (to be created) on YouTube… And that’s not even counting local coverage in regular news outlets including TV. Remember: THINK BIG: THINK PINK.
So the question is what is the community prepared to do, to give to that fantastic, promising but uncertain trip? Money is needed. Quite a bit of it. The cards, the printed materials, the t-shirts, mail, transportation… and what’s the lure? The lure is money, losts of it. The vision is clear, is it supported? If it is, the sky is the limit, really. It all will come down to be willing to risk that 20+ million almost worthless coins could eventually be just 5 million of much more worthy ones. I know you have the concept quite clear but do the others? All or enough of them?
Simultaneous to this, on the technical side of things, every effort should be made to keep adopting only PROVEN features that are significant IN THE LONG TERM. Anon is NOT one of them. This is a CLEAN coin. Privacy is important but not as the expense of enabling questionable behaviors. PINK doesn’t need nor want bad players. It isn’t just an alt coin, it is a philosophy and a set of values, hopefully wrapped up in a lifestyle defined by the core principles stated above. It doesn’t need to be the fastest,m although the more the better; it doesn’t need to be the most advanced, although the more the better –as long as it safeguards simplicity and ease of use-. It doesn’t need a lot of gimmicks and “features”; it does need to be easy and useful.
Anyway, I come from a background of finances, investment and media. I know what needs to be done and how to go about trying to get it done. And for the proper motivation –I need to safeguard income when I dedicate a lot of time- I am willing to embark on this adventure with a plan, a purpose and a timetable. I would do it if the compensation is conmesurate with the goals set and, above all, the budget can be set apart, starting with WORLDWIDE PINK DAY. Hopefully the results would make much easier to continue rising funds for all subsequent steps.
Hopefully I have given you a clear snapshot of what I believe needs to be done to take PINCOIN out to Mainstreet and lifted to a whole different level. It is the first included in my WALL OF HONOR for a reason. I believe it can also be the first to be included as the coin of change to obtain all kinds of goods across the world and the carrier of an invaluable message toward achieve a much better world.
Best,
Barabbas
Quote from: CryptoCayce on June 18, 2014, 12:22:49 AM
oh wow, thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts into a message and share with me a clear snapshot of what you believe needs to be done to take PINCOIN out to Mainstreet and lifted to a whole different level.
I'm interested to hear more and had a few questions, particularly regarding this paragraph:
"Anyway, I come from a background of finances, investment and media. I know what needs to be done and how to go about trying to get it done. And for the proper motivation –I need to safeguard income when I dedicate a lot of time- I am willing to embark on this adventure with a plan, a purpose and a timetable. I would do it if the compensation is conmesurate with the goals set and, above all, the budget can be set apart, starting with WORLDWIDE PINK DAY. Hopefully the results would make much easier to continue rising funds for all subsequent steps."
what sort of compensation would you deem to be commensurate for the large amount of time you plan to dedicate toward Pinkcoin?
how much time do you think you would need to dedicate to these projects for Pinkcoin in order to satisfactorily execute as to the goals you have in mind as you have outlined for me?
also just so there is clarity so that I may have the full scope of information when making a decision, what is your background in finance, investment, and media? what kind of projects did you participate in? what was your role in the projects?
I look forward to speaking with you further,
-Cayce
Hi Cayce,
Thank you for responding quickly.
All these projects would need to be programmed and carried out in a series of steps, but to hit the ground running, the initial main one would require the biggest investment due to scope and outreach and because it would happen soonest -pressure in terms of time is enormous, for a bunch of reasons-, idealistically on July 20th as WORLDWIDE PINKCOIN DAY. Now, as I expressed in my previous PM, a lot of contacts would have been made by them with all kinds or organizations and corporations. Idealistically, some sponsorships would have been obtained but whatever funds due to sponsorships are collected they would be kept for future steps. First one has to be fully paid for by the community. And it is big: At least 10 top cities in the world should be targeted (more better) and, like I pointed out in my PM, minimal actual expenses are quite big, i.e: printed materials, transport, shipping expenses, t-shirts, cards... etc. All of those have to be paid in FIAT, of course. Now, target cities will include, besides Toronto if we can time the event there to coincide with WORLDWIDE PINKCOIN DAY: Los Angeles, New York, London, Madrid, Paris, Barcelona, Rome, Munich, Moscow and Tokyo, at the minimum. More better. Obviously community involvement would be of enormous help, both budgetwise and to increase the number of cities covered. But just make the calculations and you will find that 20 t-shirts per city equals 200 shirts (I suggest a massive order of more than 1,000 units to not only cover this even but also raise funds by selling the rest ourselves and keep enough for future events, through a PINKCOIN SHOP--another part of the master plan). The printing materials, including a big banner per city and cards -maybe USB ones?-, are also costly and finally the mail expenses, the cost of shipping these materials to the organizers of the events in each city. I'll leave to you to figure out the costs of all these things. BESIDES those costs, organizers in each city should be compensated -when not volunteer members, in Pinkcoin, at the rate of 3 million pinkcoins per city. This is very modest and will provide extra incentive to the organizers to push the events and the ultimate success of the coin. My compensation for designing, directing, organizing -in Los Angeles-and promoting the event as well as contacting as many potential investors for this and subsequent events, would be 15 million pinkcoins.
I know the costs are significant but if you look at it from the perspective of the potential coverage -and more importantly- potential results, it is really pocket change in fiat. And if the results are even minimally successful, they should pay in spades at the marketplace.
As a follow up to the event, the organizers should take every advantage possible, especially of significant bounties, to facilitate the adoption of the coin by local establishments.
Please be aware that all of this does NOT include materials, goods and mail expenses and that another 500K pinkcoins per city should be given for public distribution (@ 1,000 per person) thus increasing the cost by approximately another 5 million pink coins.
And what will you get? At the very minimum a historic photographically (and videographically) documented worldwide event, an absolute first in Crypto, and a quite singular even, period with huge potential of local coverage in radio, TV and press and insured promotion through social media including the PINKCOIN CHANNEL non YouTube (to be created), plus coverage in the entire blogosphere in tech and crypto as well as the most respected media outlets, such a Wired or Coindesk, not to mention Yahoo news and many others. Expected massive adoption by at the very least a high percentage of new people to crypto that will be lured by the 1,000 gifts. Some potential adoption by local merchants that would be promoted and included in the database of merchants that accept Pink Coin in exchange for goods and services. And last but by no means least, the extremely valuable potential sponsorship of corporations and organizations at the local, national and worldwide level.
By comparison, Blackcoin recently hired a PR company that will do very little more that distribute three press releases in 90 days for a cost of $30K plus. Also the whole thing would more than pay for itself if it means that the price of Pink Coin rises by a mere 15-20%. I point this out to put things in a bit of perspective.
I hope this will give you a general vision of what this huge event could be and could mean and, also, the sense or urgency to get with it as soon as possible for we are dealing with Crypto time, which is a much faster proposition than regular time.
Regarding the paragraph quote and your questions, I have been a private investor and adviser since the late 90s after a successful career in international journalism with plenty of exposure to media PR campaigns by the likes or Marlboro and many Hollywood movies among many others. But I want to make it perfectly clear that what I bring to the table is the general vision, the ideas, the concept and design of the execution, the pre and post promotion and the direct involvement in some of the petitions for sponsorships. No inflated promises. No personal contacts with never ending promises and no real results. Just the work in one specific direction and toward specific goals, the bulk of them to be achieved within a very short period of time, and on to the next one.
Thanks again,
Barabbas.
I have not had the time to respond to your PM due to me having so many questions and the lack of time and resources I've had while traveling internationally However since I've had time to reflect I feel I can effectively summarize my personal opinion and stance on your proposal and in the interest of transparency I will respond in this public forum:
You have come to us with this great, wide reaching, big picture idea that has equally great costs associated with it not only from a resource costs with what you've suggested ie shirts, cards, free coins, hired talent, etc but also from a compensation standpoint for your time, effort, energy to develop and oversee this idea. If I read this correctly you are essentially asking the Pinkcoin community, well first me and the other devs directly, for:
Barrabas Compensation
1. 15,000,000 Pinkcoin or ~4.1% of the total coin supply of PINK
2. $5,000 FIAT
** tho you have referenced in this thread ur desire for 50,000,000 PINK or ~14% of the total coin supply
EVENT FEES:
1. 60,000,000 PINK or ~16.5% of coin supply = 3,000,000 PINK per city event organizer *~20 cities
2. 1,000,000 PINK or 0.365% of coin supply = 1000 PINK on 1000 transparent wallet USB cards
3. $3,700 FIAT + shipping = 1000 USB Wallet Cards
4. ~$10,000 + shipping= 1000 tshirts
In addition to other arbitrary and vague costs that may be associated.
Essentially you've asked for between 21-34% of the total supply of Pinkcoin PLUS an estimated $16,000-$20,000 in FIAT in community donations to achieve your goal while providing nothing more than vague imaginative statements about your work experience and projects you've worked on to justify such steep compensation while openly stating, very clearly and explicitly, that you will not do this without compensation, you need to be paid to participate.
As I've already mentioned to you in IRC and have reiterated in my posts and tweets: the culture of Pinkcoin is to lead by example and act in what you believe to be Pinkcoin's best interest and share what you've done with the community. Crypto0wl, jyap, and Boxxa are al prime examples of community members donating their time, energy, and effort for the greater good of Pinkcoin and the community. Crypto0wl got 2 real world merchants to accept Pinkcoin and got us those USB card wallets, jyap wrote an unbiased and honest audit of PINK source code and blockchain and released it to the people, while Boxxa has created wallet.pink, promoted PINK in person at satoshi square, and most recently created a bad ass SMS sending capability function for PINK.
Additionally I have expressed to you that CountOfMonteCrypto has approached me privately and has purchased nearly our entire order of 100 USB wallets and is going to Dundas Square in Toronto with prefilled USB cards and PINK tshirts with a crew of his female friends and spread the Pinkcoin message of love, all funded entirely by him, and he's doing it in silence without asking for a single donation. That is a living embodiment of the Pinkcoin culture that we have created and will continue to encourage and support.
While I think your idea is great and has a lot of valid points and could benefit PINK on its path to widespread global adoption I don't think the approach is aligned with the Pinkcoin culture. If the community wants to support your effort in making this happen that is completely cool with me however I suggest if you would like to actually see it happen that you make a gesture of good faith to the community and take the first step or two of action yourself to encourage participation of other community members who will follow suit. I know that would inspire me to participate.
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