Is there a discussion about Silent Payments going around on the Forum?  I just found out about it, am very curious to learn more but I do not think I understand how it works yet.

You likely followed the part of the Forum that specifically interested you, ignoring all the other Threads and discussions unrelated to what you are saying.

A lot of people are here to earn a quick profit and then just leave.  Many of them do not care about Bitcoin, Altcoins, Freedom but Money.  They want just the Money.  But we of course can not generalize, I believe there are a lot of people like you still out there who want to move through Altcoins, make Money and return to Bitcoin with the whole stash.  I am pretty certain there are more people number wise who do this than there were before even.

Just like you however, they probably do not have much time to talk about it too often.  Bitcoin is still safer than Altcoins though, so I doubt a LOT of people who stay in the Cryptocurrency Markets stick to Altcoins mostly and do not care about the safer option that always succeeded to get out of every single pit of the Market.  No body cares if you tell them you own 5 Cardano.  They do assign certain value to your identity if you mention you own Bitcoin though.

I do not even need to read the rest of your Post.  Bitcoin is impossible to be controlled because it is not a fixed thing.  Bitcoin is not nailed to a wall, it can morph to our needs.  This is why we have so many Altcoins, they are supposed to be alterations to Bitcoin so they can fit particular needs better.

So if a 51 percent attack happens.  Besides the uncertainty and doubt it would create among Bitcoin users, there are ways to put Bitcoin back into a safe place very quickly.  This is automatically a reason for Miners to NOT organize an attack because it costs a lot of Money and at the end of the day all the waste would be on their bags.  If there was a way for them to profit off the attack, it would have already happened probably.  But with no incentive, why would they even try to do it?

As bad as it looks, if there were no people paying that much then the Fees would be much lower.  But as long as there are people paying that much, there will be high Fees.

I kept bringing up this subject in the past about how the Rich still have so much advantage over Bitcoin.  But I suppose there is not much we can do about it with out turning Bitcoin from a totally Free Currency to a Censored version of it.  Unfortunately, before a big part of the World is in Bitcoin, the Rich will already have a high position because they will find the opportunities much quicker.

Runes and Ordinals aside, Bitcoin will still have issues every now and then.  The higher the usage of Bitcoin is, the more people are waiting for Mempool to clear so they can consolidate.  And when that happens, it only clogs it back up.  The worst part of this is that we will be forced to do what Lucius said and find other Cryptocurrencies just in case we need to use the Money while the Mempool clears up.  But I guess there will be a solution some day to it all.

I support Monero.  And it does keep the regulators scratching their heads.  Any thing wrong with that, or am I a statiscially qualified Criminal for using Monero too?

I would support introducing Privacy by default for Bitcoin if it kept the Bitcoin Fungibility going with out lowering its Security and if did not cause more oppression from Authorities.  But we all know this is impossible, so I rather leave Bitcoin as is and use other ways to Privacy instead.

Clowns.  This is how I call these 'Prophets' of Bitcoin.

I do not even know how they can look up with no shame after so many failed attempts to show their accuracy in predictions.  The Internet was effectively filled up with such 'Prophets' back in 2014 to 2015 and all of them are no where to be found now.

Because Chain Analysis is trying to destroy what was once known as Fungibility and ways of obfuscation such as Mixers, Atomic Swaps, Coin Joins et cetera are bringing it right back.  Not by 'removing Taint', because ultimately ALL ADDRESSES ARE AND WILL BE 'TAINTED' AT SOME POINT, but by breaking links Chain Analysis are using to destroy the Fungibility Bitcoin once had.

It is utterly stupid to believe in Taint because you most likely own UTXOs coming from previous Hacks, Crime, Money Laundering et cetera.  Why are you not collaborating with Chain Analysis companies to let you know which of your Coins are Tainted so you can throw them at a known 'Burn Address' of Bitcoin just so you know you got rid of Tainted Bitcoin?

There are no repercussions of them taking my Bitcoin.  I am not responsible for later actions of people such as using stupid Services that are able to freeze Accounts out of mere suspicions according to a subjective analysis, or even randomly.  There is a history of people depositing even Binance or Coinbase withdrawals on other platforms and getting their Accounts frozen up out of no where.  Is that my fault?  You can transfer Peer to Peer with no 'repercussions'.  You can use any non Know Your Customer Exchange.  How am I using any of these with no repercussions?

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And in other countries such as Austria, it is not legal to drive around with a Dashboard Camera on your car.  A few years ago at least, it was ruled in Court that it is breaking the Privacy of people.

Franky can not think outside the box and see the real problem here.  If the United States promote little to no rights to Privacy, it means the roots of the problem are much deeper.  And even if we speak from outside the United States, it is impossible NOT to have an input considering the United States are influencing the entire world.  So Franky, ask yourself, are we the problem for asking for Privacy or is it a problem that you have no right to it?

This is very misleading.  Bitcoin went up by 500 percent under the Presidency of Biden not because of Biden but because this is how Bitcoin simply goes.  You are saying it as if the 500 percent is the work of Biden.  Before him, the previous All Time High was during the Presidency of Trump.  I think the All Time High during the Presidency of Trump was an even larger percentage than 500.  Before Trump, during other Presidencies Bitcoin had even higher percentage rides. It does not mean Trump, Biden or the other Presidents made Bitcoin explode.  It had its ups and downs during particular more or less fortunate events and other than that, it just followed the classic way of Bitcoin roller coaster rides.

In fact.  Choosing a President based strictly on who is supporting Bitcoin as a facade is extremely stupid in my opinion.  You should take into account MUCH more important things than the support for or against Bitcoin.  Your entire life can change within the Term of a President.  Not just the value of your Bitcoin Wallet.

First of all, thank you for mentioning the 'you have no right to Privacy' part.  It explains your mentality and why you are fighting so much against us.

Anyway.  The thing you do not realize is, you DO have a right to Privacy in public.

Or, do I have the right to watch you while you are doing what ever in a public toilet stall?  Do I have the right to sit 5 inches behind you at an ATM while you are withdrawing from it?  Do I have the right to snoop in on your conversations at the park?  As in, the right to sit 10 inches away from you and your friend and wherever you go I stay there too?  Do I have the right to snoop on your phone screen while you are sitting on a bench?

If I am a public personality and I want to not be recognized for Privacy reasons, does this mean I have no right to wear a cap and sunglasses?

And this is exactly where Mixers, Coin Joins, Atomic Swaps, Bisq et cetera come as the solution to your exact words!  I create that Privacy for myself.  I interact with Bisq users or Atomic Swap users who are just like me so I can have my Privacy and they can too.

Taint defined by who?  I have used most of the well known Wallets and NONE of them have EVER mentioned even a single time a thing about 'Taint'.  Mycelium, Electrum, Bitcoin Core, Unstoppable, Bread, Coinbase even back when I first started!  I visited so many Block Explorers and none of them have ever mentioned a single thing about 'Taint' either.  Blockchair, Blockchain, you name it.

Bitcoin has no TAINT concept.  This is an invented term by who?  Why would I care about this concept if it has nothing to do with Bitcoin itself?  On the same note is Know Your Customer, which is also an invention.  Do I need Know Your Customer to send you Bitcoin?  NO.  If I download Bitcoin and use it, is there any 'Taint' to worry about?  Or, is it present any where at all?  NO.

Then why the hell would I care about it again?

You are silly if you think that is the case.

Banks are moving TRILLIONS of Dollars related to Money Laundering and other illegal activity, pretty much all countries are corrupt, State Whistle blowers die in weird circumstances, Politicians make millions or even billions of Dollars in illegal Money.  But Bitcoin, which is barely even used at all as a Currency and the illicit segment of all Transactions probably amounts to less than 1 percent of the total illegal Money of only the examples I gave above, is getting restrictions over restrictions and absurd regulations.  Bitcoin is however the head of all Evil, the head of all danger and Money Laundering.

Now imagine how many out of the whole number of Bitcoin Transactions happen through Mixers.  The amounts are so low they are a drop in the ocean compared to what I just mentioned above.  Yet, Bitcoin is still the one they want more control over.  Only because it became defined by law as a Currency in 2014?

Sure.

OR, I can live head ache free and avoid Services that apply the nonsense concept of Taint or Know Your Customer, use Mixers or other obfuscating methods and just not care because there is nothing to trigger in a Peer to Peer Transaction anyway.  Bitcoin was supposed to be used Peer to Peer.  I am using it that way and I have not had a SINGLE problem in the past many years although I exchanged Bitcoin for other Cryptocurrencies, I traded Peer to Peer et cetera.

Hopefully it is not a problem that I am answering to this particular message on this Board but I really wanted to applaud you for these Donations and I want to thank you for caring.  Particularly for doing your best to support and help expand the F-Droid repository too, I can only appreciate your choices.  In times like these, I am glad and happy to see there is Money going toward the good work of the people and toward Freedom.  Proud to be advertising your Services nevertheless.

I believe that Layers on top of the Blockchain will still probably be the solution.  A solution will be necessary anyway, because otherwise the more people are using Bitcoin, the higher the chances the Mempool gets clogged up particularly with spam from B S like Ordinals.

There are already a few methods you can help too.  Spend in as fewer Transactions as possible, use SegWit, use Lightning when ever possible.  Lightning already provides an instant solution to the problem.  I suppose the more the Mempool will be congested, the more a solution will be pushed out as necessary.  As long as the issues are only temporary however like always, I doubt a big change will be made.

Yet there are people who do not smoke but drink Coke.  Or who do not drink Coke or smoke either but eat fast food.  Or they do not do either, but they have a very unhealthy diet.  Or people who smoke and live up to 90 years old, but then people who live a very healthy life and die before their 20s.

I would really like to know how many of the quitters turned Rich after quitting.  Like I previously said, you can save no matter what vices you have and how shitty your life style is.  Any body can do it, even if they save a Dollar a week, that is still better than none.  But we prefer excuses instead.  Oh, only if I had not smoked for 20 years I would of been Rich today!  I quit smoking, but only if I did not purchase more fast food and clothes I would of been so Rich!

The thing you do not realize about this discussion is, we do not care at all about the concept of Taint and we are not using Atomic Swaps or other obfuscation methods to find a 'cleaner' Transaction history.  We want PRIVACY, not hiding from crime.  Do you still not understand this?

I do not Atomic Swap Bitcoin to Monero and back to take a crime off my name.  I do NOT care about the history my Coins have, unless they can be linked to my identity.  Concept of Taint does not exist in my eyes.  I have a long history of Bisq Transactions and I have not looked up even ONCE to see whose Bitcoin I received.  I have no idea whose Bitcoin I currently own and it would be stupid to look that up.  Being paranoid of the history of your Bitcoin possibly having a history of related to illegal activity is equal to being just as paranoid about receiving Cash bank notes from the Cash registry of a shop.  Who knows?  The notes you are receiving could be part of the payment for a hit.  Are you burning bank notes out of this fear?

I am choosing to not re use Addresses so fewer people can link the Bitcoin I have to my identity.  I am choosing to obfuscate my history so fewer people can link the Bitcoin I have to my identity.  I do not care about having a 'clean' history, but to make it much harder for any body to know which is my main stash of Bitcoin, what I am paying for on a daily basis, which Addresses belong to my person.

If you want to support the ridiculous concept of Taint and care so much about every single thing being under control then you are better off using Banks.  Or support Craig Wright who says the vision of Satoshi was to make Bitcoin a 'clean' Currency that morphs accordingly to the laws.  Bitcoin was not created for that, there are better alternatives if that is your ideal.

But you will likely only choose to ignore every thing I said anyway and you will continue thinking and saying we are using obfuscation methods to hide crime and to clean up our such dirty Transaction history.  So I have no idea why I am even bothering to answer any more really, it feels like I am talking to a wall.

But in order to see and realize this, you need to have particularly wide open eyes first.  Which many people still lack of.

Exactly what I was going to write after reading what Franky said.

Every body suspects us for wanting Privacy because every thing is seemingly so prosperous, good and well in their lives.  This is only until the worst comes and takes you entirely unprepared.  Bad regimes existed before, even in countries that were going great.  It just happens unfortunately, and you never know if your country is next.

I remember back when Taliban took control what happened and I would not want me, my family, you, Franky or ANY of us to be in that position.  The Taliban were reportedly on a man hunt and what they were using was the Facebook profiles of Afghan citizens.  You did not support Taliban?  Expect them at your door at any given time.  I did not stick to the story to know how that unfolded and hopefully those people are safe.  But how does that sound, Franky?

From a BBC article, this is what Facebook had to say,
Source https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58277175

Now tell me Franky.  Why would I do this to myself?  Why would I want to be in this position?  I rather have no Social Media and I rather have my Government not know how I am using my Bitcoin.  Our names could be on a target list of a bad regime in the making and I do not want to be found if they make it.  To Taliban the target was the opposing citizens.  For this one it could be particularly Bitcoin users like me.

And yet again, this is so ridiculous and weird.  I have to explain why I want no body to know what I am using my Bitcoin for.  What the hell is so suspicious about it?

I never wanted any body to know what I am using Fiat for, and I never touched a gram of illegal substances, I never took the life out of some body, I never became a Terrorist, I never Laundered Money!

It would not be the first time he is using speculation and Conspiracies to his advantage.  There have been a few other circumstances before where groups of people believed in some particular Conspiracies and Trump hundred percent took advantage of it indirectly feeding their fire just so he can praise his own butt.

I am pretty much neutral.  All I want is the better of our Society.  But honestly.  I think there have only been a handful of Presidencies all over the world in the past decades that made their country a better place.  Most of them just suck off the opportunity of making more money, creating new Laws for their own good and so on.  Society, citizens are never a priority.

I am sick of this B S.  No matter who gets chosen in which country, it is still the same cycle.  3 years of losing hope, 1 year of preparing for the next seemingly hopeful Presidency.  Repeat.

But what you are talking about are strictly rumors and speculation.  There is no proof Satoshi was even a math genius.  Satoshi may not even be one entity, it could be a group of smart people who put Bitcoin together.

There are a lot of speculations about who Satoshi is or was, but there is no real proof for any of the theories to become more or less valid.  Mining is still worth it, just not the way it used to be a k a home Mining.  Things definitely used to be much easier back when one CPU was equal to one Vote.  These days are over however, we have a much more powerful Bitcoin.  All the many thousands of Miners are not doing the work in vain, some of them are voluntarily doing it just out of support or to try and hit the Jackpot which is also pretty much impossible today, but many of them are doing it to get more Bitcoin or even make a hefty Profit.

Replying to the title first, Bitcoin is not backed by the Dollar and it would be pointless to back it by Fiat.  That would redeem the entire purpose of Bitcoin null.

But you probably meant to say what happens if the Dollar collapses considering Bitcoin is usually priced in Fiat.  Well.  If the Dollar collapses, first and fore most the whole world is going to be doomed for a while.  No body would care about Bitcoin or Fiat probably for a reasonable time.

If they did care still, Bitcoin will PROBABLY continue to exist and have value.  Because it will continue to be as scarce, it will have the same properties.  Long as the Internet is still alive and well, Bitcoin will continue to be used without a doubt.  Particularly considering there would likely be a significant amount of hatred or uncertainty about Banks, Bitcoin would be a great solution as it is Decentralized.

What the hell?  Hand me out a source of ALL the people who became Rich from Bitcoin being over 130 IQ?  This sounds ridiculous and so made up.

But then Money is not real either.  What you get with the Money is.

Bitcoin is real.  It is valued by us who are using it and it is valuable to most of us here.  I would continue to pay for Bitcoin even if a whole piece was a million Dollars.  I just think it is a value and I do think it will never permanently lose the value it has.  I could be very wrong.  Who knows.  It remains to be seen.

Many things are 'not real' if you think about it.  Got something of value that other people think is worthless?  To you it is value, to them it is nothing.  They could throw it in the garbage can and go on with their day.  But then there are other people who would pay the value you think it has.  Or maybe even more just because they value it too.  This reminds me of Schiff, who always said Bitcoin has no value and is equal to zero but now I bet he regrets deeply.

Bitcoin is a value.  There is no point in changing your mind considering this is a fact as it is priced close to 70 THOUSAND Dollars and has only been rising for more than a decade.

I wonder how things will unfold after the Elections.  Because I have yet to see some body who actually makes the Bitcoin regulations better, not worse.

This is in fact a good strategy for his campaign considering the number of people who know about Bitcoin and are or would use it is significant enough to shift the votes toward his side.  If there is one thing I learned all my life however.  It is to never hope the promises of a Politician turn into reality, because most of the time either they half ass do it or they do not do it at all.

Then what is the point of your Thread?  If you know for sure the Price is being manipulated then how is any of us supposed to know what happens next?