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Russia is logging all the atrocities committed by Kiev in a white book, containing two volumes already. There will yet be a Nürenberg-style process.
and according to russia best way to log atrocities is to commit all of them. so that everything is logged and nothing is missed. it certainly look like it. |
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Stop blaming others for your own failures. I know it probably makes you feel better but running away from your own incompetence won't take you anywhere. Ukraine has been independent for 25 years. That's plenty of time. What have you (not you personally, your people) done in the meantime to make it better place for everyone? A country respected and loved by all its citizens? Where people can live a decent life? I'll tell you: nothing. You, my friend, have a serious problem flowing deep within your own society for a long time. It's a problem you have with yourself so to say. Now, large number of your citizens decided that they had it enough. They don't want to be a part of all that mess any more and want to go their own way. If you really think that this can be solved by means of civil war, with what your new oligarch bosses cinically call "ATO"... you're in for a rude awakening.
"Ukraine has been independent for 25 years. That's plenty of time." you're saying ukraine and it's territory is now up for grabs? are you excusing invasion in this weird perverted way? |
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Right Sector and all the other heavy right-wing groups committed a lot of atrocities during the revolution.
Take the ODessa trade union building fire for example, where 40+ pro-russian protestors were brutally murdered by radical anti-Russian groups.
Civil war broke out shortly afterwards.
To say it's all Russia's fault that this happened, when the coup was supported and funded by the US government, and you have radical groups murdering dozens of pro-Russian protestors and the Ukraine Army being the first ones to fire GRAD's at civilians, is a pathetic fuckin' joke! Brainwashed fools.
"Right Sector and all the other heavy right-wing groups committed a lot of atrocities during the revolution." i think you don't know what the word atrocity means. do present us with proofs of those "atrocities" so i could laugh and debunk them. "40+ pro-russian protestors were brutally murdered by radical anti-Russian groups" 40 pro russian guys after shooting few pro ukrainians fled from angry crowd into a building and it caught fire because of people (both parties) throwing molotovs in and out of it. not exactly a planned mass murder as you present it. if there is a party to blame for this tragedy - it's definitely police(which was taking pretty pro russian side at beginning of conflict) and firefighters of odessa - those did nothing to localize and de-escalate the conflict and more importantly to stop the fire. "the coup was supported and funded by the US government" the coup is what exactly? millions of ukrainians rioting against dictator president and electing a new instead? you really think it all was paid for? well if that was the case i'm thankful to US government. "Ukraine Army being the first ones to fire GRAD's at civilians" ukrainian army never targets civilians and first GRADs were found abandoned by rebels. |
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Pro-Kiev Ukraine Bloggers put up a database of separatists, allowing them to be more easily identified and arrested by secret services... http://metelyk.org/oh but you know how many of those projects exist in russia and crimea do you? can't be that much of a shocker. |
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What makes more sense is that the invaders, Russia, wanted something to look like a false flag. Another possibility is that it was an accident. Fighter pilots probably couldn't see what type of plane it was, and a bunch of small-time think tanks/NWO conspiracy knobs are trying to use the mayhem to recruit suckers into their cults.
"Another possibility is that it was an accident." it's almost obvious it was an error on rebel side. there is no way any side would have wanted their hands dirty with murdering hundreds of europeans - that's just ludicrous. rebels were regularly downing ukrainian airplanes and just minutes after downing MH17 Strelkov reported and russian media retranslated that rebels have shot down another ukrainian AN26. except that was not AN26. pretty fucking huge clue, isn't it? |
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Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied. Also, the plane was ordered to lower from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet by Ukraine air traffic control. And finally, all the Air Traffic control tapes were confiscated and have never been released. All of this is extremely suspicious and point to a coverup from the Ukraine authorities.
"Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied." i deny that, please prove. also do you think russian ministry of defense is stupid enough to mix MiG-29 with SU-25?  |
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As far as I can gather - they were the escort of the humanitarian aid convoy. You can hardly call that an invasion force.  Or did anyone expect that the convoy would have been sent in without cover, when West-Ukrainians make a sport of hunting on civilian buses and cars? Convoy protection is a standard practice in all hot spots. ROFL dude i guess you didn't check this with your boss Putin because he thinks they were patrolling the border and just got lost P.S. it never fails to amaze me to which lengths kremlinbots will go to defend russia's side. army unit in a different country without acknowledgement and agreement of that country IS AN INVASION. this is pure definitions we're talking about. or do you think that if china will send chinese soldiers 100 after 100 into russia it will not be immediately thought of as an invasion? you can't be that stupid right? |
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What do I see: more hawkish rhetoric from NATO (read: US and Rasmussen):
right, all this has nothing to do with Russia starting war in the region and annexing territories from neighbour countries  |
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No, the KGB is not ruling Russia. You are living in a delusional fantasy world.
"No, the KGB is not ruling Russia." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_careeror do you think after USSR collapse all KGB agents and operatives just said "yeah, alright, i guess i'll go work for nearest grocery store"? i mean you can believe whatever you want but just imagine there is former high ranking NSA officer resigning and in 10 years becoming president of USA. you'd be all over NSA conspiracy right now. and who's delusional? |
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Just beyond stupid! Why do you assume all the counter propaganda is from Russia??? I've already linked to an article written by an ex-Whitehouse staffer on the subject. One of your accounts already dismissed it as "Russian".
Are you completely unaware of reality not depicted by Fox News or CNN? Here's the article again:
"One of your accounts already dismissed it as Russian." sorry what? i only have one account here. "Why do you assume all the counter propaganda is from Russia???" by asking why do you assume you've assumed i assume something, specifically that all the counter propaganda(counter to what?) is from Russia. i do not assume anything of the sort so i guess your question isn't relevant? you've described the situation with distorted world view in USSR, then you claimed a similar distortion exists nowadays in US(although you have failed to give any measurable metrics that compare amount of distortion in USSR and amount of distortion now in US) yet you fail to see why am i asking you if you hold same views about nowaday Russia? in the end isn't it the same KGB in power that ruled USSR for decades? do you expect them all of the sudden to be example of honesty and transparency? i assume you do not because "no one in the right mind" thinks that. |
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In the time of the U.S.S.R., it was the people in the East that had a completely idiotic, distorted vision of what the West was up to; the iron curtain meant their "information" was garbage.
But now...in the info age, it's amazing to see people stupid enough to fall for government lies (this time Washington's). You can crack a history book too. Some of this stuff is so dumb it's hard to believe how any of you can believe what you're saying.
No one in their right mind thinks Russia would invade secretly, or with a few dozen armoured cars. Russia doesn't start wars, it finishes them. If they invaded, you would know it (it wouldn't be a secret invasion with journalists claiming it's just aid). And the Ukrainian army would be finished within the hour.
And you'd be left with your meaningless talk.
"fall for government lies (this time Washington's)" so you're willing to fall for Russian government lies instead? |
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talk about nazis.. this woman was crossing a roadblock with ukrainian flag in her car words on paper: "they are killing our children. karatels'(punishers') agent." EDIT: allegations against her are that she was a spotter for artillery fire. but yeah, we all know that *surely* nobody has been unfairly accused of something in DNR. especially when carrying ukrainian flag.  |
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Dude, the Western sponsored coup and the seig heiling Nazi's war crimes make whatever your up on a high-horse about pale in comparison!
propaganda is strong with this one.. "Western sponsored coup" i'd argue about definition of "coup" and evidence to "western sponsored" but do you mean russian sponsored corrupt government is in any way better to re-election of president? "seig heiling Nazi's war crimes" oh Nazi label is so easily attached these days. for instance you could very well be labeled a anti-western russian orthodox nazi - and go prove you're not. but do tell me what war crimes are you talking about? i'm sure you know what definition of war crime is right? |
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Incredible! Video-proof of Ballistic Missile use by Ukrainian Army! Apparently Kiev Junta didn't have fuel(you know, oil and gas are controlled by Russia) and so it launched the rocket using A HUGE INDISCRIMINATORY CATAPULT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TsTAqay_yYa 500kg explosive has destroyed one wooden door and part of brick wall! those cruel bastards! |
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Ah, so you prefer videos served on silver plate. Right. Why don't you ask me to handhold you to the place of execution? Do your own research, lazy bag.
Was this logic and common sense of yours which inspired you to show us some faked old map taken from well known Kiev's propaganda website? Better clean your filter because, as it seems, it lets through only one type of informations: Ukrainian government's bullshit.
"Ah, so you prefer videos served on silver plate." execution is pretty freaking big deal and it would have been in all news around the world like the one with beheading of Foley. i don't know of any videos where russians are being executed by ukrainian oligarch battalions which is why i'm asking you for a link. can i have a link? "some faked old map" any map can be claimed to be faked and old but you have to have actual evidence proving your claim. what is your evidence to the claim that map is faked and old? (i will ignore the fact you say map is from biased source - this is well known logical fallacy) |
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Bro, there is no use arguing with you. I have witnessed your endless circular logic for the past 10 pages and it has gotten tiring. You will believe whatever you want to believe - which namely that no ballistic missiles are being used (despite heavy evidence to the contrary which you constantly deny) You also seem to believe that the DPR and LPR armies have been bombing themselves and killing their own civilians LOL.... man you really do live in an alternate universe.
"I have witnessed your endless circular logic" circular logic is extremely easy to demonstrate by just copy-pasting here bunch of quotes from my messages, why don't you do that? "heavy evidence to the contrary which you constantly deny" lets do this one by one, are you aware that one of videos you've shown as BM strike by UA is actually russian Proton M exploding in 2013? this one in particular: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S9Il8q0rt4you linked it in this comment: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg8444051#msg8444051it's a yes/no question, come on |
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