none of the above.

but a very educational thread. making notes (not of coins, of member user names) 

Where are NuShares sold?

yes its #2.

After reading the white paper the first time, I didn't get it. Then I read it 2nd time more slowly, and I think its the most intelligent white paper I've read since Satoshi's white paper.

Your opinion seems to be based on incorrect information, I would suggest doing some more research before posting again, here's a few corrections with numbers corresponding to the numbered statements in your post:

1. The value of bitcoin is equal to or greater than the value invested in it. What are dollars, euros, or other currencies backed by? If you give value to dollars and other fiat currencies, then you must give value to bitcoin, because bitcoin has been bought with those currencies.

2. Bitcoin is not unsafe and certainly not easily stolen. Credit and debit cards are unsafe and can be stolen and used in fraud. Please elaborate on how bitcoin can be "easily stolen", because I can't even begin to imagine how you would crack a bitcoin private key?

3. You are confused, bitcoin is not anonymous. And terrorists and drug or gun dealers are doing what they do for a long time with fiat currencies. If a government bans it, it would be for other reasons, and if they did, I would buy more, because look what a government ban has done in the past for the price of liquor and marijuana.

4. 51% attack is a very well-known threat which has been prepared for and can be prevented.

5. With the current systems in place, dollars and other fiat currencies are no match for bitcoin. Bitcoin is cheaper, faster, and more efficient as a currency in a global economy. Dollars and other fiat currencies are dependent on banks, credit/debit card, and remittance companies to keep them safe and transfer value to others. Bitcoin is independent of those institutions, and does not need banks or credit/debit card, and remittance companies to transfer value, so all the fees you pay to the bank, visa/mastercard, and western union to keep and send your money disappear.


That being said, I will admit that Bitcoin, which is the first cryptocurrency ("v1.0") does have it's faults and challenges which are being answered with new and improved cryptocurrency solutions, just like Microsoft Windows 3.0 grew into Windows 8, Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies will evolve to meet their challenges, getting better and better with time.

To the OP, "bitcoinwilldie", if you are not simply a troll posting uninformed rants for attention, then try to read up a little more, get more involved and do your research, there's a whole lot going on right now, and besides learning something, you might be able to make some extra money. Don't take your opinions from others, learn on your own. And if you still have well thought-out arguments and not just uninformed rants, I would love to hear them.

You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run 

Considering the huge dump on XST today, I would like to request a moderator ban the chicken65 account as that person is apparently using their account to deceive other users. And thank you @Stealthcoin for catching it first and trying to warn people.

"We love Bitcoin; we only created Storjcoin X because we had to. "

Interesting thing to say, considering that currently, the most valued feature in cryptocurrency is anonymity.

Don't let idiots bother you. As they say, you can't control other people's actions, but you can control your own reaction.
MultiWallet is an interesting project and the efforts of the developers after the community takeover have added significantly value to the coin.
I invested in it, and I expect 5x return on my investment within 2 weeks.

That's not a nice game.

Pls check the email you supplied, I have written you there.

Same problem here, downloaded new Windows wallet (0.1.2) and STILL won't sync. "No block source available..." error.
So frustrating.

The crypto scene has become a joke, and I think most people would agree. When a good coin is indistinguishable from a scam coin, and coins pump and dump on whatever bullshit jokers are tweeting about them at the moment, it becomes insulting to anyone with 2 brain cells to keep playing this game when its so obviously fixed.

I researched and invested, I did not go in blind. I know that Syscoin is a GOOD coin that got a bad start. But what I don't understand is why there seems to be a certain group of people in crypto who always seem hell-bent on insulting and exploiting any mistake or goof or problem that any coin or exchange has. Does someone without an agenda set out on purpose to step on others when they are down? No. We all know how powerful FUD and hype can be. So if you don't have an agenda, you would just keep your mouth shut and stay out of it. But its apparent that you DO have an agenda to destroy a coin...when you keep posting and tweeting and blowing up every mistake or problem.

What this proves to me is that alternative coin trading is completely corrupted and owned. To all you in the FUD Mafia, you can kill a coin, but you are really hurting the innocent buyers, not the devs. Try to be more understanding of WHO you are hurting with your FUD. I don't purposely slander or hurt anybody else's investments. And when you do that, you do not make your coins look better. You make crypto trading look like a f**king circus of corruption.

I guess the real reality check is that we make our own reality.

Yes, it was a typo, I corrected it.

Wow, amazing thread. I especially love the part when the OP says, "Last but not least, who the hell is stupid enough to pay $5.00 now for a bitcoin?"  HAHA!! I wish I was that stupid guy who paid $5 for thousands of bitcoins in 2012!!

For some reason, watching this reminded me of the fanaticism that some brainless Americans displayed toward Muslims after 9/11.

The enemy is not any country, race, or religion, the enemy is the hate-filled mindset that can infiltrate any of us.

Hehe, I think the opposite rule would apply. Why should he answer all questions here? They already got 8000 BTC.

I keep wondering about what this ether sale really is, though. It very much looks more like a crowdfunding event than an investment or a software sale. There has been a lot of attention given to the financial and legal aspects of Ethereum, not to mention the massive PR effort on the part of the developers/founders. A lot of the technical issues, like the problem of blockchain bloat are problems "to be dealt with in time" but these are problems that absolutely cripple the chances of Ethereum even working and fulfilling its endeavors.

Unlike past large scale explosions of technology from the open source community, for example, Linux, the business side of this has not been ignored, and the product is not being offered for free as all open source has been in the past. The Ethereum client (inside a browser or eventually an OS) might be offered for free, however, you would not be able to use it without ethers, which cost money.

So there are huge efforts in the business, legal, and PR aspects of this, which we have never seen before in the past. And many of the technical problems with actually making the software work are being pushed off to be dealt with at a later time. That undermines my confidence in it.

Although, I do believe its time for developers and the "smart people" of the world to get the financial compensation that they deserve. And this might be why the founders have put so much effort into the business and legal side. Developers, techies, and "geeks" worldwide have been exploited and forced to take small compensation for work that their employers or clients would never be able to do or even understand. The true order should be that the smartest people should be the bosses, and not be exploited by people less intelligent than themselves.

So in that way, I respect how the Ethereum founders have taken the business side very seriously, and hopefully they will raise the standard for open source software globally. There's too many intelligent people doing hard work for zero or very little pay, trying to support their efforts on only donations. It's certainly time to change that, when their efforts are so important, for example, Wikipedia is a huge and very important source of information for the world and they live on donations.

Back to the ether sale. Despite what I wrote above, I think 2000 ether per 1 bitcoin, is a very HIGH price to pay for a token that has no value yet in anything but Ethereum, which is a software that still has so many technical issues to accomplish if it will survive long term.

But my confusion lies in whether I believe the founders really care whether Ethereum survives long term. This I can't decide. From my research, it seems to me that all the effort put into Ethereum has culminated to this point, the ether sale, and this is the harvest for the seeds that have been planted many months ago. I have heard things being mentioned by the founders (they like to be called founders, not devs) which suggest that their efforts were to get to this point and after Ethereum goes live, they seek to recruit a new team to take over and continue the project. I'm not sure if that is correct, but that was my impression from some of things being said by them. I could be wrong there.

But 0.0005 bitcoin per 1 ether is a very high initial price for something that will only be used by developers at first to build applications. But if you're quick enough, it may be worth it. My feeling is that hype and PR are a huge part of this, and very key and important people who were responsible for getting bitcoin off its feet and into the mainstream are the same people who are involved with Ethereum. There are certainly HUGE whales behind this project.

So regarding the value of ethers: I think it will pump above the pre-sale price initially with help from PR and hype, and several large whales who want to see this project succeed. Then after the dust settles, a few weeks or months after it goes live, I believe the value will fall to below the pre-sale price.

This is all pure speculation and I really have no idea. Just trying to work out my thoughts on this in a public space and hopefully get some feedback from people who have no investment in its success or failure, and are able to give an objective opinion.