You should also understand that the value of all currencies fluctuate.  You only notice the value of bitcoins changing because you’re viewing against a metric of a baseline currency i.e the USD.  If you had a chart that plotted the value of the dollar with bitcoin as the baseline, you would see those changes the same way.

You should be grateful.  You and the other guy simply bickered and never truly came to a consensus.  If anyone else happens to wonder the same thing, the resolution based on actual findings and not heresy is here for posterities sake.  You're welcome prick.

One last thing.  I also now understand why you guys present a new server seed for each roll.  As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, cryptographic operations are expensive and you want the front end to be as responsive as possible.  So to accomplish this, you have a pre-generated list of server seeds / hashes on the back end ready to be compared against and on the front end when the user clicks roll all you have to do is look up the seed in a map and send this seed back to the front end for verification.  Like:

hashMap = {"server_seed_hash_1": "seed_hash_1",
"server_seed_hash_2": "seed_hash_2",
"server_seed_hash_3": "seed_hash_3"}

return hashMap["server_seed_hash_1"]

Kind of a smart design to be honest as you've been able to make it performant and responsive.

I've verified the server seed hash presented on the free rolls page are the same ones used for the multiplier game.  Thanks for setting the record straight.  You guys are absolutely fair.  Sorry for raising the topic again. Conversation over.

No need for hostility, I'm well aware that I may be off base somewhere, which is why I'm asking the question.  I WANT you game to be fair as I use it daily and want to trust the site.  Sure the mechanics, (the way you generate the rolls) on the back end are identical.  But what the engine is consuming on the back end are different no?  Or are you saying the back end consumes the same server seed that's presented for the daily free roll?

This isn't the server seed hash we're talking about.  The server seed hash for the free rolls is different from the server seed for the hi/lo game.  And the very issue we're discussing is the fact that the server seed changes with each roll of the hi/lo game.



This isn't about winning or losing.  I'm fine with losing if the game is fair, but the fact that the server seed changes with each roll is problematic as I explained in my post.

Good reputation or not, most people aren't technical adept enough to understand the underlying workings of the game mechanics.  The switching of the server seed on each roll without providing a server seed hash prior to each roll (of hi/lo) is suspect and problematic.

Where can we see the server seed hash before rolling high or low?  I’ve looked all over and can’t find it.  All I can find is the aftermath once a bet has been placed.  If this is true that you provide the server seed hash before the rolls then that’s all I need to see and would agree you’re fair.

This is a really old thread and I found your post through a google search after suspecting shady business myself and coming to the exact same conclusion you did When discovering the site changes the server seed on each roll.  In fact I tweeted a question to the site account a few hours ago (https://twitter.com/el_diablo_robot/status/1411192780735627266?s=21)

I’m intimately familiar with both cryptography and the provably fairness system. There is no reason the site should generate a new server seed on every roll, in fact it should be global for every user and rotated daily while providing the hash for verification.

Here are the problems:
1.  Changing the client seed for every roll is both tedious and unrealistic
2.  Far more important, If the server seed changes for every roll, the only truly predictable variable in the equation is the nonce and it doesn’t even matter if the client seed is generated by the server or the user and here why:

Say for example the user changes his client seed, and rolls low.  The client sends the client seed and nonce to the server for calculation.

The server could then go:

for (int i = 0; i < seedList.length(); i ++)
{
     result = calculateRoll(nonce, seedList\[i\], clientseed);

     if (result > lowRoll)
         return result, seedList\[i\];
}

So it doesn’t even matter if we change the client seed since the server can select from a list of favorable server seeds once it has possession of the other two variables. 

What’s the reason for changing the server seed if not for manipulating the outcome?    Generating a cryptographic key is an computational expensive operation so performance savvy engineers do this only when absolutely necessary.  So what’s the necessity here?