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Do you have a link to the 0.34 version of Electrum you downloaded which is showing you the "correct" address when you import your private keys? I can try downloading and running it locally with the private key you provided previously via PM to see if I can recreate this issue.
Good day oeloe Here is the download link for Electrum 0.34 (Linux version) https://parazyd.org/git/electrum/commit/c0bf69e3b36ca0023651ee759d23a11c11a25f35.htmlThank you very much |
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Do you have a link to the 0.34 version of Electrum you downloaded which is showing you the "correct" address when you import your private keys? I can try downloading and running it locally with the private key you provided previously via PM to see if I can recreate this issue.
Thank you sir. It is for Linux. I will post it here shortly |
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My issue is still the private key import a new address in new Electrum (anything after 1.4 I tested) . When importing in old Electrum 0.34 bring up my original address.
The only possibility that I can think of which would cause this is if there were some sort of bug in 0.34 that is creating an "invalid" address from your private key whereas the new versions are creating the valid address which is the reason for the difference. (BTW I already pointed out this is not a compressed/uncompressed issue). I'm curious, can you spend from your address or sign a message from it in Electrum 0.34? Because that would clarify a lot of things. I am not sure because my son is not at the same premises at the moment. All I know is that it is not watching only and it brings up the correct address moment it is imported. When I have more detail I will post it here. |
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Electrum seeds can by default not be imported into any other wallet because they are not compatible with the BIP-39 standard. However, if the wallet isn't empty, it can be imported and recovered with BlueWallet. Your issue is with private keys, but maybe you can still give it a try and see if BlueWallet can recover the correct addresses because that wasn't the case when you tried doing the import into blockchain.com. Check if it works with BlueWallet, but only for funded addresses: https://github.com/BlueWalletThank you I am going to give it a try. I'll come back to you on this |
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Nc50lc
Okay, so that can be the potential solution for the various threads authors who claims that they have a "very old" electrum seed.
It means that there is a lot more problems with old wallets, seeds and private keys. There should be an easier solution for people with older wallets that created before version 0.34.
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AFAIK, that's my reply to the other thread ( with different author and issue). Unfortunately I don't think that it's related to your issue since it only affects the keys that the wallet derive from the seed. In other words, those versions' seed when restored to an earlier versions will still create a standard wallet ( not watching only) but with different set of addresses and private keys. Nc50lc
Did it happen even in your latest attempt?
It happened in all my attempts, on different computers, different Windows and also the different Electrum Releases (at least 4 different releases as old as v1.4)
If you're telling the truth... I'm stumped. Honestly, I don't have any idea on what's happening in your case. Sorry. Thanks for the help so far |
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The same behaviour over all my attempts. And all the releases came from Electrum’s website and the signatures were confirmed every time. No one is trying to convince me to deposit into any different address. (I can’t access the funds anyway)
But Electrum doesn't randomly choose which wallet file to open. You have to explicitly choose which wallet to open from the menu and next time you run Electrum it will open the last opened wallet (not a random one). So if you did indeed create the wallet using your keys (lets call it wallet1) next time you open your Electrum it will open wallet1 file not something else like the other watch only file. Does someone have access to your computer that may have created and opened the other file between your attempts? Yes sorry I meant it brings up different addresses if importing the private key - not wallets. Sorry about that. My issue is still the private key import a new address in new Electrum (anything after 1.4 I tested) . When importing in old Electrum 0.34 bring up my original address. I am totally confused. |
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Good day Everyone (Guys who helped me so far)
Sorry for being absent a while as it felt I was running into a brick wall. I was trying to figure out what my next step should be when I started reading through Bennoko's thread and it looks a lot more that we have common problems with our old wallets. The only difference is that he wants to recover from a seed phrase and I am using my private key. What is similar is that his seed phrase also recover another address that is empty, the same with my private keys.
NeuroticFish
My take is that another software is replacing the original wallet file with an old/different/watch only wallet file.
I don't know if it was meant for protection, or recovery, or it's a malware doing this, that's why one of my (and others') suggestions was to try this on another computer.
This doesn't look like a problem of Electrum, it looks like a problem with your system.
I don’t think so as it is doing the same thing on all my computers with different versions of Windows installed as well as no Firewall or Anti-Virus on it.
Nc50lc
Did it happen even in your latest attempt?
Anyways, so the symptom's timing varies, interesting...
Are you sure that you're the only one who have access to your computer(s)?
Because it looks like someone has been creating the watch-only wallet by importing that address while you're away.
That's the only logical answer that I can think of.
I'm wondering, are you perhaps using "Deepfreeze" (wiki) or other similar software?
It happened in all my attempts, on different computers, different Windows and also the different Electrum Releases (at least 4 different releases as old as v1.4)
No one can access my laptop for any reason, only my wife but don’t even know how to open Electrum.
Not sure what Deepfreeze is but never used it at all.
Oeloe
So you are saying you are experiencing the same strange behaviour of a wallet "converting" to a watch only wallet on multiple different devices? Were any of those devices new, clean devices? Did you install Electrum from the same installer on each device, or did you download and verify it separately each time? Does anyone else have physical access to your devices?
It seems like either someone is trying really hard to make you deposit coins to an address you don't control, or you have some bug or malware across all your devices which is opening old wallets.
The same behaviour over all my attempts. And all the releases came from Electrum’s website and the signatures were confirmed every time. No one is trying to convince me to deposit into any different address. (I can’t access the funds anyway)
Pmalek
OK, so we are thinking the same thing. At least based on the images he has provided. It still doesn't answer the question why his Electrum client switches the loaded wallet to a different one after some time if that is the thing that is happening. Or why it requires 30 hours to sync. Even with bad internet connection, that shouldn't be the case.
No I think no one who helped me from the forum left his Electrum on for 30+ hours after syncing when trying to import my Private Key on your Electrum. So it didn’t have time to change. It syncs in a few seconds right. Mine as well but giving the empty address and then…….after a day or two (sometimes 15 hours – not always the same duration) it turns to watching only by itself.
I see the following remarks on Bennoko’s thread which made me think there is another problem here:
Quoting Bennoko”
Old Seeds doesnt work in new 4.1.5 electrum. it opens totally different wallet
U can only generate 5 different adresses in 0.30, that 5 prv keys also show the balance zero in new electrum
I experience the same problem with when importing my Private Keys in Electrum 4.1.5. Totally different address.
Nc50lc
Okay, so that can be the potential solution for the various threads authors who claims that they have a "very old" electrum seed.
It means that there is a lot more problems with old wallets, seeds and private keys. There should be an easier solution for people with older wallets that created before version 0.34.
Also
Regardless of the date: if it's from versions lower than v0.31, then your seed phrase can't be used to recover the wallet to the later versions.
These are the "release notes" that came with Electrum v0.32 and some later versions:
Quote from: RELEASE-NOTES for v0.32
version 0.31 fixes a vulnerability in the key generation function.
Unfortunately, this means that wallets created prior to 0.31 are
incompatible with newer versions. We apologize for the
inconvenience. We try to keep this kind of upgrades as rare as
possible.
If you use an older wallet, you will see a message asking you to
create a new wallet and to move your balance to the new wallet.
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Note that you may keep your current seed. For this, all you need to do
is to create the new wallet using the wallet recovery procedure. You
will not recover your old wallet with the new software, but you will
get a new wallet instead.
Quote from: RELEASE-NOTES for v1.1
LIST OF UPGRADES:
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Version 0.34: The key derivation was changed again in version 0.34, in order to offer "type 2 wallet" capabilities.
Version 0.31: This version fixes a vulnerability in the key generation function.
After getting nowhere my son started loading Linux with Electrum 0.34 on a freshly installed computer. The following happened:
When not linked to a server and the private key is imported into the old Electrum 0.34 it gives the right address immediately. The one that is displayed in Electrum 4.1.5 after watching only switched.
When Electrum 0.34 is linked to a server using Node JS it gives the new wallet like Electrum 4.1.5 gives before watching only switch.
Does this make any sense? Any idea how to approach new information?
Anything will be appreciated. Thanks in advance
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Yes guys I imported the key in my Electrum and got back the following address and private key from wallet
Address - 1EHNa6Q4Jz2uvNExL497mE43ikXhwF6kZm
Private key - p2pkh:5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEsreAnchuDf
Now is it possible at all to explain to me the following:
If I import my private key that is compressed and starts with an L into my Electrum it gives me immediately an address that is empty and obviously belongs to the key. Orb is green so one can assume it is synced. Done and accepted. But I would like to understand why if I leave it like that where the address is empty and the wallet is imported, after 2 days (it varies) it turns to watching only and the address change to my original address which was never imported to Electrum.
I dont have other keys for my addresses and therefore I wonder if I did something wrong many years ago because how is that key somehow still inked to the address I still had? Is there any way to explain this then? Why? I even tried older versions and tried it on other computers but it still gives me the same result after a day or two. It can only mean that there is still a link to my address. I dont have the knowledge to explain this but maybe someone else can.
Thanks for the help
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Okay I imported the key into my Electrum and it synced 1391 transactions. Address starts with 1EH..........
It did it in approximately 30 seconds. Perfect.
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On 29 January I suggested that you try the recovery process on a different computer, a few other members have done the same, but I see you still haven't done that.
3 users you PMed have now recovered the same legacy address with no funds in it. The wallet type didn't change from imported to watch-only, which means the problem is local-yours.
Dump all your private keys from Bitcoin Core again and import them on a fresh Electrum install on a different and clean device. Post the exact download link for the Electrum software that you will install.
When you import a private key and click on Wallet > Private Keys > Export in Electrum, what does it show you? Does it show you the private key of the address? Have you tried to import a private key of an address that is not connected to any of your wallets or addresses to see how your Electrum acts? Try importing 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEsreAnchuDf. It's a leaked private key that is publicly available. Import it and see if you can sync, and then do the steps above to find that same private key.
Good day sir Thanks for coming back to me on this frustrating topic. I want to import your key and send you the info I get but is it a Legacy wallet key? Its just for the prepend I want to add. Looks like an uncompressed Legacy wallet key. Right? |
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Have you tried importing the same private key in another computer?
Busy with it as we speak sir. Fresh computer and fresh install Also now trying Linux on yet another computer Then back to Bitcoin Core older version. I don't think me and my son will find any other keys. Comes back to the same old story. Why did Electrum collect my correct addresses? And maybe if you leave the wallet on for maybe 24 hours it might also change to watching only with the other address. What do you think worth a try? |
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I am not sure if yours gave a watching only.
No, it didn't give watch only. It gave normal imported wallet. Just the corresponding address is 14YjouC6ba7MR6WJWE7Wjsa6FdDYwjkX2p, hence no 1 satoshi balance, no transactions. I just want to mention that Electrum did it with more than 1 version, all 8 keys imported at different instances and different laptops. All watching only.
I would assume that something is awfully wrong with your computer - whether that's a malicious Electrum, whether it's an antivirus, or some odd recovery/shielding setup, or plain malware, or user rights that doesn't allow writing onto that folder or something else I cannot tell. I'm dumbstruck. I am not sure the way forward. |
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The second thing to discuss is how did this private key could ever give a watch-only wallet with another address (i.e. the elusive 1AgV6A1vaRQ16G8sRR1VUW4r8EDnmdEBpy).
I just want to mention that Electrum did it with more than 1 version, all 8 keys imported at different instances and different laptops. All the addresses correspond and were correct. Coincidence? I don't think so. All watching only.
I am not sure if yours gave a watching only.
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Write the message and click "send private message". It also warns you to not send sensitive messages and there's a reason for that. Besides o_e_l_e_o and Bennas the content may be readable from administrators and email providers. Why have we reached the point where the OP transfers private keys?
This has abruptly started to sound very weird. I have a sneaking suspicion that there's something rather malicious with this case. I repeat: If you imported a private key IT CANNOT HAVE RETURNED YOU A WATCH-ONLY WALLET. Would you mind if I sent you a private key and recorded the procedure? I get where you are coming from. I am just at a point with this case where it feels like a dead end. You for instance keep on telling me " IT CANNOT HAVE RETURNED YOU A WATCH-ONLY WALLET and I am telling you it does. Many times and many versions. Only one Satoshi in that wallet sir. I made sure. Nothing malicious from my side. Would you mind if I sent you a private key and recorded the procedure?Why do you want to send me a private key? I don't have the knowledge to help you. But thank you for the help so far. Much appreciated. |
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I will be careful. What I don't know (OP is a newbie) is how to share it privately. If you advise I will send it to you.
On the left area of each post you can find the user name of the poster. Click that username, you'll see the user profile. On the bottom area you'll find a link: Send this member a personal message. Click it and you'll be in an e-mail like form. You will see that the "to" area contains the correct target username. Write the message and click "send private message". Thank you I will send it now. |
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Yes I am busy with it. On the other computer now it is the first time the orb remains blue arrows while its syncing. Previously went to green quickly but not fully synced. You might have a good point here. Whether or not it syncs is irrelevant for the purposes of checking the address. Create a new wallet, import a private key, go to the addresses tab and see if the correct address shows up. You don't even need an internet connection to do this. But, the wallet is watch-only? Which obviously means OP has imported an address rather than a private key, but he insists he is importing private keys only and not addresses, and he also insists he is not getting confused and opening different wallets files. Either he is mistaken, or there is a never seen before bug in which his Electrum is converting an imported private key wallet in to a watch only wallet.
Are any of the old addresses which you cannot recover with these private keys empty? If there is a private key with no funds on it, it might be worth sharing it with someone you trust and asking them to recover it to see what happens.
[/b] I will share it with you sir. How do I do it privately? |
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Are any of the old addresses which you cannot recover with these private keys empty? If there is a private key with no funds on it, it might be worth sharing it with someone you trust and asking them to recover it to see what happens.
At least one of his test addresses has one Satoshi on it. Sharing the private key would be an interesting approach so we can see what the problem is. Just the risk is that maybe OP - as confused as he is - gives the key of an address with funds by mistake. Hence I would rather do this privately for start. Yes I think it might be a good idea. I am willing to share one of the keys with one Satoshi in it with you guys to see if I do something wrong. Don't stress I might be confused with what is happening with our imports but I wont share keys with coins in it with anyone. I will be careful. What I don't know (OP is a newbie) is how to share it privately. If you advise I will send it to you. Thanks once again |
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Yes I did it exactly like you did. Same key type and it returned next to the green "Receiving" my original addresses. But, the wallet is watch-only? Yes a watching only wallet! Now what we did next yesterday. We went to the city for a quicker internet line. We did a fresh download from Electrum.org website the oldest version available namely v1.8. We took one key (not address - Starts with an L  ) and did like you did in your previous reply. Exactly like that. It started importing and next to the Green receiving line gives a totally unknown address. The orb in the bottom righthand corner remains with the blue arrows syncing for 15 hours. Following moment orb goes green. Imported on top of the app change to watching only and the old original address appears next to the green receiving line and unknown address is gone. Any ideas (OP did not make a mistake with the private key - Lets move beyond that point) |
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This can't be happening to anyone. Let me take your steps with 8 random private keys.
Yes I did it exactly like you did. Same key type and it returned next to the green "Receiving" my original addresses. With a download of which the signature was verified.
This is definitely not Electrum's fault. I don't know what's going on, but if he has verified the signature of the software it doesn't have to do with it.
I think its more a question of seeking help with my issue.
Fortunately Electrum returned my old wallet addresses which made me in return know that my addresses and key fit one another and that there is hope.
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There are lots of things that I can't explain such as:
Why did it take so long to sync?
Why did it return you a watch-only wallet if you imported private keys?
No one can explain this.
As I wrote in another post: give it a try on a different computer. Maybe install Tails OS onto an USB stick (if you have a spare) and try from that one. The problem may be something else from your computer interfering with what you are trying to do. It's the only explanation I have now, since if you indeed do all you claim to do, then Electrum clearly doesn't behave as expected. Yes I am busy with it. On the other computer now it is the first time the orb remains blue arrows while its syncing. Previously went to green quickly but not fully synced. You might have a good point here. |
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