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1  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: May 12, 2024, 06:37:09 AM
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Buying bitcoin when the price is cheap or experiencing a decline (DIP) is indeed a better purchase if the opportunity arises. But as @JJG said, a beginner who is about to start investing in bitcoin, does not need to wait for the price to fall to make a purchase. I really agree with both opinions, because the opinion expressed by @Fury leads to deeper caution and wanting to get maximum profit from his bitcoin investment. However, the opinion expressed by @JJG is similar to the DCA principle, because when buying bitcoin, you don't really care whether the price goes up or down, and this concept is very good for long-term investors. So basically these two opinions are very correct if you want to apply them when investing in Bitcoin (essentially it depends on the person).

Both opinions cannot be correct.  You either buy or you wait, and from my perspective, the ONLY way to prepare for UP is by buying bitcoin.  You do not prepare for UP by waiting.  Waiting is not a strategy that prepares you for up.

Maybe I should give an example?

Hypothetical poor person just found out about bitcoin, and he has an income of about $500 to $1,800 per month, with usual income of about $1k.  His expenses are usually between $700 and $1,200, but most of the time $900.  He has an emergency fund that is about $1k, a reserve fund and float that is around $600.  Right now, with these circumstances, what should he do?  Start buying BTC or wait for a dip that might or might not happen.

He cannot do both.  He has to choose which one is going to.  Right?

However, regarding starting to invest in Bitcoin first or learning about it first, I still prefer to learn about it first. Because in my opinion, when Bitcoin investment only uses greed or reckless capital, sooner or later things about Bitcoin will be learned too. But the bad side is that sometimes learning will come when failure or mistakes occur. This is different from learning Bitcoin before, even though learning it takes longer, when you start investing it will definitely feel smoother. So I personally prefer to learn first, rather than jumping straight in.

Why not learn about bitcoin as you go (like promise444c5 mentioned), and start out with $10 per week - or some other relatively low amount to get started and then figure out other details as you go.. what is the part that you need to learn about that is so important.  No one is saying to invest everything that a person has, whether we are talking about the hypothetical person above that I outlined or if you would like to present some other hypothetical person with circumstances that might justify a "waiting" rather than a getting started right away strategy. 

By the way, I had already mentioned that a variety of things could affect a tweaking of the BTC buying strategy, so I would imagine that a person who is actively involved in buying bitcoin weekly would be striving to spend at least a bit of time to get more in touch with his various finances and psychology (perhaps in line with the 9 factors), and perhaps the organizing of his finances is already going to put him in a much more solid situation and whatever the bitcoin does would be icing on the cake, especially if the timeline for investing might be 4-10 years or longer.
Yes sir, now I am starting to understand why waiting to invest in Bitcoin was not the right thing to do. Because I just realized that the mistake of waiting or delaying investing in Bitcoin until the price goes down is not very good. Because it could be that the price of bitcoin continues to rise and I won't have the opportunity to buy it. Maybe from now on I will start buying bitcoin with the DCA strategy only. Because all this time I was still fixated on the decline in Bitcoin prices when I wanted to buy it. And after thinking more deeply, your opinion about learning Bitcoin while investing, is very correct. Because the knowledge gained can be directly applied to investment. In essence, my thoughts and perspective are very enlightened here.
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Road to 100k? on: May 11, 2024, 11:35:57 PM
I'd be very surprised if someone said bitcoin would hit $100k in a few days. Because the chances are very low. Because I remember, when I first joined this forum, Bitcoin was around $29k and in just a few days its price increased by $42k to hit $71k. Just 2 months ago, when Bitcoin's halving was going on. Hitting $100k would require another $29k price increase. Whereas at the beginning of the year it was worth $29k. I don't see the possibility of Bitcoin hitting $100k with a 3x+ increase in value in the same year. However, it is not possible to determine the future by looking at the past. But I will be shocked if Bitcoin hits $100k in 2024.
You don't understand how volatile Bitcoin is because if you understand you won't be surprised if the price of Bitcoin reach $100k this 2024.  Bitcoin is not like other cryptos in the sense that some times the price of Bitcoin experiences dip for some days and some times too the price skyrockets consistently for days just like when Bitcoin hit a new ATH of $73k no one expected it to happen soon but it did even before the halving that is to tell us that Bitcoin can reach it's peak at anytime so don't have that mindset of impossibilities because it will continually discourage you from taking bold steps in your investment processes.
It is true, it is possible that the price of Bitcoin will reach 100 thousand dollars this year. However, if you look at previous Bitcoin halving cycles, in the year Bitcoin experiences a halving, there will usually be a correction first. Even this year, that's likely what will happen. Because it is proven that in every Bitcoin halving, the same event always repeats itself. So it doesn't mean that the past can make the price of bitcoin rise, but in essence it's a matter of habit. Because what I know is that the picture of bitcoin prices in the past can be used as a benchmark for current prices for making predictions. Even though the price of bitcoin fluctuates, bitcoin still has the same habits in each halving cycle until a bull market occurs. So if you look at the habits of Bitcoin's last halving cycle, I think Bitcoin will peak next year.
3  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: May 11, 2024, 11:13:08 PM
So in conclusion, investing in Bitcoin has many paths and many (complex) ways, depending on the situation of the person who wants to invest. And in my opinion, it doesn't matter how, or what path you take when you start investing in bitcoin, but the most important thing is to learn about bitcoin first.
My advice to newbies today is, buy at the DIP to get more units in Bitcoin as soon as possible, and study later. Let the greed guide you now and learn about it later. But I'm very confident that after a newbie starts to learn more and more, and goes deeper and deeper into his path, he/she will stay for the revolution. Many of us came here because of greed and stayed for other reasons, DEEPER reasons. Good luck on your journey my fellow plebs.

I hate to beat a dead horse even more dead, but you are asking for it.. Wind_FURY.. hahahahahaha

In other words, if you are a newbie to bitcoin.. no  need to wait for any dip..

For a newbie no coiner or low coiner,** get the fuck started as soon as possible so that you can at least have some bitcoin, and think about price later.. maybe 1-2 years after you have been stacking sats for a while.. and studying about bitcoin and other personal financial management matters along the way... .. but other than that.. it seems that I agree with what you are saying.

**By the way, when I mention low coiner, I am not suggesting that you have to rush to reach your bitcoin accumulation target, since that could take 10-20 years or more, yet a low coiner might be someone who is purposefully investing into bitcoin in a whimpy way, so there may be some need to increase your level of investment into bitcoin, which might be facilitated just by buying bitcoin regularly and studying into bitcoin further in order to gain confidence and then to potentially have some abilities to increase BTC accumulation aggressiveness in the direction of being less whimpy.
Buying bitcoin when the price is cheap or experiencing a decline (DIP) is indeed a better purchase if the opportunity arises. But as @JJG said, a beginner who is about to start investing in bitcoin, does not need to wait for the price to fall to make a purchase. I really agree with both opinions, because the opinion expressed by @Fury leads to deeper caution and wanting to get maximum profit from his bitcoin investment. However, the opinion expressed by @JJG is similar to the DCA principle, because when buying bitcoin, you don't really care whether the price goes up or down, and this concept is very good for long-term investors. So basically these two opinions are very correct if you want to apply them when investing in Bitcoin (essentially it depends on the person).

However, regarding starting to invest in Bitcoin first or learning about it first, I still prefer to learn about it first. Because in my opinion, when Bitcoin investment only uses greed or reckless capital, sooner or later things about Bitcoin will be learned too. But the bad side is that sometimes learning will come when failure or mistakes occur. This is different from learning Bitcoin before, even though learning it takes longer, when you start investing it will definitely feel smoother. So I personally prefer to learn first, rather than jumping straight in.
4  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: May 11, 2024, 12:24:52 PM
Aggressive approach may sometimes bad if you don't know what you are doing but there are times that its good to execute this especially if our knowledge is enough and you have confident that there's something good will happen on your bitcoin investment in long period of time.
Like I said agresive approach is not bad expecially if you are capable of it. And there is no special skill or knowledge required what really matters is where you get you source of income from. You may not be well knowledgeable about bitcoin but provided you have a higher paying job that can be able for you to increase your investment strategy, you are good to go.

Having good and reliable income sources does help a lot, yet we cannot presume that people have good and reliable income sources, and sometimes they have to spend a decent amount of their free time searching for back up income sources and sometimes even doing fairly bad paying work while they are trying to improve their situation, and maybe trying to improve the kinds of jobs that they are able to do when working for someone else or when establishing their own business (that sometimes will involve building your reputation and doing work that does not pay very well in order to potentially be able to get better jobs in the future).

If we talk about investing then yes of course as you said that having a good and reliable source of income is a good situation for an investor, because by having a qualified source of income then they will be able to balance all their money allocations evenly, such as to cover the cost of living and divide a portion for bitcoin accumulation every time they enter the allocation schedule in the DCA strategy they use. But yes basically it is quite easy to say but it is difficult to actually be in that situation especially for those investors who have a middle to lower financial situation that sometimes even to meet the cost of necessities is not enough. But I think it's a fact that all of that can be fixed if they're really serious about getting involved in the investment world, by any means improving their financial situation and maybe in a way like you said buddy by improving their source of income, whether it's finding a better job or adding a part-time job.

The dca has really made it more easier for a common man only if he understand how much of his discretional and disposable income after taken care of his personal needs and a provisional emergency funds before considering Bitcoin investment as he make purchases with as little as he can be doing comfortably either weekly or monthly, I would want to say that meeting up one personal needs can be of different standard, there are those who might have been spending on things that may not have been necessary than investment where they could have curtail expenses in way that it will not affect there living and as well invest in Bitcoin. It must not necessarily be improving their source of income, or finding a better job, or adding a part time job but also has a lot to do with proper planning and budgets, thou they are all good as it gives you an opportunity of being in a good position of maximizing opportunities of buying Bitcoin, however there are those who are very off about investment but only focus on satisfying their personal needs and spending on things that might not be necessary to the extend of buying liability instead of an asset all in the name of covering their cost of living.
> Aggressive approach.
> Source of income.
> Type of work.
> Planning.
> Suitable technique for making "DCA" investments.

Of course, all these factors need to be considered when starting to invest in Bitcoin. Because after all, all the factors above are very important foundations so that Bitcoin investment can run more smoothly and optimally. However, there are times when all of the factors above do not apply, in some people, or at certain times. For example, if we look at financial conditions, of course everyone in this world has different financial conditions, so of course an aggressive approach would not be recommended for people who have middle to lower financial conditions, because it would be too risky to do that.

Then regarding the source of income, this factor is very important for someone who wants to start investing in bitcoin. Because if you look at it from the positive side, having a source of income will definitely make it easier to manage money for your needs and also for investment assets such as bitcoin.
But in my opinion, only a handful of people can really allocate their money well and really meet all their needs, even though they have a source of income. So if that's the case, other factors are also hampered.

So in conclusion, investing in Bitcoin has many paths and many (complex) ways, depending on the situation of the person who wants to invest. And in my opinion, it doesn't matter how, or what path you take when you start investing in bitcoin, but the most important thing is to learn about bitcoin first.
5  Economy / Economics / Re: Take care of your money and learn to save. on: May 06, 2024, 03:09:42 AM
People's financial situation is not always the same as we have enough money now but in the future we may not have enough money to spend. Now we have enough money so now I will go out of my way to spend money as I want for no reason then later when I don't have enough to spend but no one else will give me money to spend. It is a fact that as long as you have money and as long as you spend money behind others people will speak for you and people will be with you but if one day you want to walk with them without spending money then you will find no one to walk with. Since money brings people closer and money drives people away, money should be given the most importance. 
I think the right words for the argument you wrote are like this. “If you have a lot of money, you will definitely have a lot of friends. If you don’t have money, your friends will definitely disappear.” Incidents like this happen a lot in our environment today. Maybe because the cycle of life is now increasingly changing. But you need to know, there are still many people who are willing to be our friends, whatever our economic status. Try looking, you'll definitely find it. Maybe you've been hanging out with the wrong people. So the impact you experience is like this.

The amount of money that we are earning now is divided into several parts and the remaining money is the money but if we want we can invest or save so that if there is a financial crisis in the future but this saved money will support us well. 

We must be careful about money, if you are careful about money then there is no problem if people call you stingy because some people's job is to say bad things about others.
I think saving is less efficient nowadays. Especially if you intend to save just in case a financial crisis occurs. Because when a financial crisis comes, sometimes inflation will be higher, and of course the value of money will fall. So it's better to just invest. Because by investing we definitely have the possibility that the amount or value of our money will increase.

Apart from that, being a stingy person is not completely wrong. Especially if our condition is not good. But believe me friend, when we generous (with money), the money will come to us more quickly and smoothly. Because as long as I have lived on this earth, I have never heard of a generous person falling into poverty. However, the philanthropist I am talking about here is of course a philanthropist who has calculations.
6  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: May 06, 2024, 02:35:02 AM
Starting an investment based on other people's ideas is certainly not good. Because, this action is considered to have no basis in itself. However, what I can summarize from Brother As-Son-As' explanation, it seems like he is only expressing his opinion, that he will follow the advice or knowledge he gets from everyone discussing on this forum to start investing in bitcoin. I think As-Son-As' opinion is not completely wrong. However, his impression of not having a stance makes his opinion a little less pleasant to read. And I also agree with Dailyscript's opinion, that the knowledge or insights contained in this thread still need to be filtered. Because everyone who wants to start investing in Bitcoin must have different readiness. Both in terms of money and mental. However, if you look at the contents of this thread. Actually, many members discussed DCA. And I think this technique is very good to use in bitcoin investment. Because one of the advantages of DCA in my opinion is that it doesn't really differentiate between the money or capital that must be invested (in terms of amount). This means that no matter how much money you have (as long as the amount can be sent to an exchange), as long as the money is cold, the DCA technique can definitely be used on bitcoin.
You can consider other people's ideas in adjusting your investment plan. If you already have your own plan then it is better for you to apply it in your investment journey. No one forces us to implement other people ideas because we are investing with our own money and we will decide. However, in this case everything needs good adaptation which we may not yet understand, so input from other people's ideas can open our horizons in investing in bitcoin.

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Yes, other people's ideas are only limited to opening our insights and points of view. Because when we start an investment, of course we will definitely see examples from people or bitcoin investors who have been involved in it for a long time. Because from there we can see several aspects, or learn from the experiences of bitcoin investors. Like learning about

> Causes of losses when investing in Bitcoin.
> Good and correct actions when starting to invest.
> Investment objectives.
> And capital management techniques.

These four points would indeed be better if we learned from the direct experience of bitcoin investors themselves. Because direct experience in the field will definitely be better. Then if we understand this, we will definitely have a new perspective and broader insight. And from there ideas will start to grow from our minds.
7  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: May 05, 2024, 02:21:58 PM
I will start investing according to everyone's idea and make my investment long term. 
Dont invest based on someone's advice invest when you have a goal in mind and find a suitable strategy that would help you achieve that goal. The mistakes newbies do when investing is because they listen to others opinions and suggestions that does not suits their financial level or investment target thereby they end up encountering issues along the way and some quickly sell of their investment since they cant cope or continue again. This thread contains so much information's and discussion on investment but ins as much as you give ears to these ideas and opinions always make your own conclusion and convictions before jumping into your investment. Goodluck on the ride!

Starting an investment based on other people's ideas is certainly not good. Because, this action is considered to have no basis in itself. However, what I can summarize from Brother As-Son-As' explanation, it seems like he is only expressing his opinion, that he will follow the advice or knowledge he gets from everyone discussing on this forum to start investing in bitcoin. I think As-Son-As' opinion is not completely wrong. However, his impression of not having a stance makes his opinion a little less pleasant to read. And I also agree with Dailyscript's opinion, that the knowledge or insights contained in this thread still need to be filtered. Because everyone who wants to start investing in Bitcoin must have different readiness. Both in terms of money and mental. However, if you look at the contents of this thread. Actually, many members discussed DCA. And I think this technique is very good to use in bitcoin investment. Because one of the advantages of DCA in my opinion is that it doesn't really differentiate between the money or capital that must be invested (in terms of amount). This means that no matter how much money you have (as long as the amount can be sent to an exchange), as long as the money is cold, the DCA technique can definitely be used on bitcoin.
8  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [HELP]Bantuan untuk menaikkan Rank (Newbie s.d Hero) V.2 [UPDATE] on: May 05, 2024, 09:57:09 AM
Assalamualaikum WR.WB
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Semoga saya serta kawan-kawan SFI selalu di berikan kebahagiaan, kesehatan, dan ketenangan hati.
kali ini saya ingin mengirimkan 10 postingan lagi,dan saya akan sangat senang jika teman-teman SFI meluangkan waktunya untuk memberikan kritik dan saran kepada postingan yang saya kirim kan di bawah ini.




9  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Hati hati membeli koin meme, sekarang banyak koin meme scam! on: May 05, 2024, 09:29:43 AM
Baru baru ini saya melakukan riset terhadap koin meme yang berada di pinksale, banyak koin meme di pinksale setelah di beli harga nya jatuh terlalu dalam, dan setelah itu proyek nya tidak jalan lagi, ini pengalaman saya, dan saya pun jera memiliki pandangan, jika kalian ingin membeli menghindari koin meme yang scam, lebih baik beli saja koin meme yang bagus yang sudah list di binance.jangan melakukan coba coba, sehingga duit kalian tidak lenyap. Jangan serakah jangan tamak dan jangan menghayal terlalu tinggi.sekian dari saya.
Koin meme memang kebanyakan spam gan. Jadi tidak aneh jika hanya koin meme tertentu yang bisa kita percaya untuk dibeli. Selain itu coba coba ataupun menguji keberuntungan ketika masuk ke dunia kripto,seperti membeli koin meme,tidaklah di sarankan. Karena hal tersebut akan lebih membahayakan uang kita. Jadi sebelum masuk ke dunia kripto,ilmu-ilmunya wajib di pelajari terlebih dahulu. Selain itu,daripada bermain-main dengan koin meme,lebih baik berinvestasi di bitcoin saja. Tentunya akan lebih aman dan juga minim risiko.
10  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Kuis SFI (Reward Up to 7 Merits) on: May 05, 2024, 08:10:18 AM
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11  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: bitcoin sebagai hadiah on: May 05, 2024, 02:40:53 AM
seorang dosen di cilacap, benar benar tanpa ragu memperkenalkan anak2 nya tentang bitcoin dan juga altcoin, bahkan di lansir dari berita online, masing masing dari anak2 nya yang berulang tahun di beri hadiah dengan jumlah yang berbeda beda.

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Untuk anak yang pertama, Callista El Firdausa yang genap berusia 14 tahun mendapat hadiah ultah berupa aset Bitcoin senilai Rp14 juta.

Lalu anak yang kedua, Ayunindya El Khumaira, yang berusia 10 tahun mendapat aset Ethereum senilai Rp10 juta.

Sedangkan anak ketiganya, Arsyanendra Prima, yang berusia 5 tahun dibelikan aset Solana senilai Rp5 juta.
[1] https://muria.tribunnews.com/2024/04/23/alasan-dosen-muda-cilacap-beri-hadiah-ultah-3-anaknya-aset-kripto-melek-literasi-finansial

mungkin Bitcoin dan altcoins sudah sering terdengar di telinga banyak orang indonesia namun yang benar benar percaya pada potensi bitcoin di masa depan itu sedikit, bagaimana dengan agan sekalian, apakah akan memberikan anak2 atau orang terkasih ulang tahun atau mencapai sesuatu yang membanggakan.
Tidak ada salahnya memberikan hadiah berupa aset kripto ataupun bitcoin kepada orang-orang yang kita sayangi. Karena bitcoin ataupun kripto memang aset yang sangat berharga di masa ini. Tapi bagi ane,memberikan hadiah berupa kripto (altcoin) seperti nya akan sangat ane hindari. Apalagi jika yang di berinya adalah anak-anak di bawah umur. Jadi ane lebih memilih memberikan bitcoin saja daripada harus memberikan altcoin kepada orang-orang yang ane sayangi. Sebab bitcoin memiliki potensi yang sangat menjanjikan di masa depan dan juga terdesentralisasi. Tapi jika altcoin seperti solana,pastinya tidak memiliki potensi yang menjanjikan seperti bitcoin. Jadi ane lebih memilih memberikan bitcoin kepada orang-orang yang ane sayangi,terutama jika untuk anak2 ane. Karena seiring tumbuh kembang nya anak2 yang di berikan bitcoin tersebut,pastinya harga bitcoin juga akan terus berkembang.
12  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Efek Negatif dan efek positif jika banyaknya masuk pekerja asing ? on: April 27, 2024, 11:31:25 PM
secara negatif budaya lokal pelan-pelan akan hilang sebab pengaruh budaya asing cepat diserap oleh lokal . secara positif
jika dilihat sekilas dengan masuknya pekerja asing ke indonesia maka akan banyak juga ide ide kreatif dan devisa kepada negara
Jika dilihat dari sudut pandang positif memang iya. Tapi jika misalkan para pekerja asing tersebut membuat orang-orang di Indonesia tidak kebagian lapangan pekerjaan,ane rasa hal tersebut kurang baik juga. Karena jika kita pikir,di Indonesia itu masih banyak sekali pengangguran yang membutuhkan pekerjaan. Jadi daripada mendatangkan pekerja asing,ane lebih setuju jika masyarakat lokal dulu yang harus di pekerjakan. Barulah ketika masyarakat lokal di Indonesia sudah bekerja semua,bisa mendatangkan para pekerja asing. Karena buat apa mendatangkan para pekerja asing untuk kerja di Indonesia,tapi masyarakat indonesia sendiri banyak yang nganggur dan bahkan banyak yang kerja ke luar negeri.
13  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: mengapa banyak anak muda lebih memilih judi dari pada investasi? on: April 27, 2024, 11:22:49 PM
Mayoritas orang Indonesia mungkin tidak doyan berjudi, meskipun aktivitas perjudian memang cukup populer di beberapa segmen masyarakat. alasan mengapa beberapa orang tertarik pada perjudian termasuk mencari kesenangan, menguji keberuntungan, atau bahkan sebagai sarana untuk mencari penghasilan tambahan padahal tidak mungkin nambah  Cheesy . penting untuk diingat bahwa perjudian memiliki dampak negatif, termasuk potensi kecanduan dan masalah keuangan.

Pengalaman ane panyak penjudi susah di edukasi padahal mereka tau dampak negatif pada perjudian walaupun sudah rugi di perjudian tetapi tetap tidak kapok.
Saat ini perjudian memang sedang marak di negara kita ini. Meskipun pada dasarnya perjudian di ilegal kan,tapi anehnya masih banyak situs situs judi yang lolos dari pantauan pemerintah. Bahkan di beberapa media sosial seperti Facebook,banyak situs perjudian yang mengiklan kan situsnya tanpa takut sama sekali. Ane kurang ngerti kenapa bisa begitu. Tapi karena hal itulah,anak anak bangsa ini lebih banyak yang melakukan perjudian daripada berinvestasi.

Mungkin karena perjudian itu sangat simpel dan tidak terlalu banyak mikir. Berbeda dengan investasi yang memerlukan pengetahuan yang tinggi. Dan faktor utama kenapa banyak anak muda yang memilih perjudian ketimbang investasi. Yang ane rasakan dan ane ketahui. Kesadaran dan pengetahuan orang Indonesia soal investasi itu sangat minoritas. Maka dari itulah,kenapa perjudian lebih banyak di lakukan anak anak muda ketimbang berinvestasi.
14  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa yang membuat kalian enggan berdiskusi di thread teknikal Bitcoin ?? on: April 26, 2024, 03:46:50 PM
Bagi ane sih, yang paling mendasari kenapa enggan untuk berdiskusi di thread yang membahas soal teknikal bitcoin ataupun blockchain,di sebabkan karena tidak menguasai pembahasan nya. Jadi kalau ane paksaan untuk tetap mencoba berdiskusi di dalamnya,takutnya ane di kira buat postingan yang spam. Karena pastinya para anggota yang suka berdiskusi di thread thread tentang teknikal bitcoin ataupun blockchain adalah orang-orang yang memiliki pengetahuan yang sangat hebat. Jadi ada ketakutan juga kenapa ane belum berani untuk berdiskusi di thread thread tersebut. Ditambah lagi ane belum memiliki ketertarikan yang besar untuk mengulik seputar teknikal bitcoin. Jadi bisa dibilang ane masih nyaman dengan kegunaan bitcoinnya saja.
Gini aja Om, semisal ada sesuatu hal yang ingin agan tanyakan (berkaitan dengan hal teknis bitcoin), maka coba saja untuk menanyakannya. Jangan takut dianggap itu spam maupun OOT karena jika pertanyaan itu memanglah on-point pasti akan ada sesuatu yang bisa menjadi informasi.
Benar juga sih om,mungkin ane belum punya keberanian yang tinggi saja untuk bertanya tentang hal tersebut. Sepertinya ane harus merubah mindset penakut ini,menjadi mindset pemberani. Karena setelah berdiskusi tentang hal ini,ane jadi keinget soal kata kata pepatah yang sering ane dengar waktu sekolah " Malu bertanya maka sesat di jalan" dan " Orang yang takut bertanya adalah orang yang malu untuk belajar". Jadi terima kasih om sudah memotivasi ane.
15  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Seberapa PENTING MONEY MANAGEMEN Dalam TRADING KRIPTO on: April 26, 2024, 03:30:03 PM
Memotong
Mengatur keuangan memang sebuah hal yang patut kita lakukan ketika trading di kripto. Karena ketika melakukan trading dan tidak diatur keuangannya. Pastinya akan berdampak kurang bagus om. Alasannya karena seperti yang om Arenga katakan. Bahwa mengatur keuangan dalam sebuah perdagangan ataupun bisnis,berguna untuk bisa meminimalkan kerugian dan memaksimalkan keuntungan. Ane rasa alasan tersebut sudah cukup menjawab pertanyaan kenapa mengatur keuangan sangat di perlukan sekali ketika trading di kripto ataupun ketika menjalankan bisnis yang lainnya.

Hanya saja saya bertanya-tanya. Apakah dari sekian banyak yang mengetahui dan menganggap penting Money Managemen, juga berarti mereka menerapkannya langsung dalam perdagangan kripto yang mereka lakukan?

Saya pribadi sebenarnya tahu ini penting. Walaupun sejujurnya saya baru tahu istilah ini beberapa bulan lalu setelah aktif di forum ini. Dan saya mencoba mempelajarinya. Tapi sampai saat ini saya pribadi belum menerapkannya dengan serius.

Sehingga saya penasaran apakah mas-mas semua disini juga sama seperti saya? Atau memang sudah pada benar-benar menggunakan money menegemen dengan serius?
Ane rasa tidak menjamin om. Karena menurut ane suatu ilmu ataupun pengetahuan yang dimiliki seseorang tidak menjamin ilmu tersebut bisa digunakan secara langsung. Begitu juga dengan orang yang sudah mengetahui soal pentingnya mengatur keuangan. Hal tersebut tentu tidak menjamin orang tersebut akan menerapkannya secara langsung. Karena jangankan orang lain,ane pun kadang kadang suka lupa akan hal tersebut. Tapi setidaknya jika kita sudah mengetahui tentang hal inimengatur keuangan,kita pasti memiliki sedikit batasan meskipun kita tidak menerapkannya secara serius.
16  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Saat ini trading meme coin paling banyak di minati on: April 25, 2024, 11:30:31 PM
Baru baru ini, trading meme coin mengalami peningkatan volume perdagangan, trading memecoin yang paling banyak di minati adalah, Pepe, floki, Shiba, doge, meme dan banyak lain nya, menurut kalian, kenapa orang sekarang banyak membeli memecoin?
Intinya sih pasti ingin meraup keuntungan yang besar. Karena meme coin kebanyakan memiliki harga yang relatif murah. Tapi ketika ada kenaikan,terkadang meme coin suka suka langsung meledak harganya. Penyebabnya sih mungkin karena itu. Tapi risiko membeli meme coin juga sangat besar. Karena bisa saja harganya turun dan tidak naik lagi. Oleh karena itu ketika membeli coin meme harus lihat dulu proyek apa yang di jalankan di balik meme coin tersebut.

Mungkin jika meme coin seperti pepe,floki,shiba,dan doge sudah memiliki nama yang cukup besar di kalangan meme coin. Jadi jika ingin membeli meme coin,membeli pepe,floki,shiba,ataupun doge memang lebih baik.
17  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [DISKUSI] Daftar Negara Pemegang Bitcoin Terbanyak? on: April 25, 2024, 10:57:17 AM
Yang menjadi pertanyaan saya:
  • Dimana mereka menyimpan sejumlah Bitcoin sebanyak itu? (Mungkin Situs Exchange, Hardware Wallet, atau lainnya) Dan apakah ada keamanan tambahan yang mereka lakukan untuk menjamin Bitcoin yang mereka pegang? Mengingat pada tingkat pemerintah pasti harus memiliki keamanan yang lebih untuk menjaminnya.
  • Apakah mereka hanya menyimpan Bitcoin saja atau juga menyimpan Crypto lainnya? (Selain Bitcoin dan Ethereum)
  • Bagaimana suatu negara bisa mendapatkan Crypto tersebut untuk disimpan? Mereka membelinya dengan anggaran negara atau penyitaan dari aktivitas ilegal pada negara tersebut?
1. Amerika Serikat menyimpan btc di dalam hardward wallet,seperti yang di jelaskan di cnbc

Pemerintah AS dikatakan menyimpan aset Bitcoin secara offline di perangkat penyimpanan terenkripsi dan dilindungi kata sandi di dompet perangkat keras (hardware wallet) yang dikendalikan Departemen Kehakiman, Internal Revenue Service, atau lembaga lain.

El Salvador pun sama menyimpan bitcoin di hardware wallet atau dompet perangkat keras. Karena pastinya dompet perangkat keras menjadi dompet yang paling aman untuk menyimpan Bitcoin dalam jangka waktu yang lama.
Dan negara negara lain yang memiliki bitcoin pun,kemungkinan besar pasti sama menggunakan dompet perangkat keras.

2. Ane nggk tahu pasti soal hal ini,tapi spekulasi ane negara negara seperti Amerika,El Salvador,dan Inggris hanya menyimpan Bitcoin saja. Karena Amerika juga,memiliki bitcoin itu dari hasil rampasan. El Salvador juga hanya pokus untuk berinvestasi ke dalam bitcoin saja. Dan begitu juga dengan Inggris,yang dikabarkan hanya memiliki aset bitcoin.

3. Amerika sudah jelas dari rampasan rampasan. Sedangkan El Salvador kebanyakan membeli bitcoin dari uang pajak negara. Dan kalau Inggris ane belum mengetahui dari mana dana yang di pakai untuk membeli bitcoin.

18  Economy / Speculation / Re: 100 Push-Ups A Day Until Bitcoin Is $100K Challenge on: April 24, 2024, 02:30:13 PM
I am very interested in participating in this challenge. Maybe tomorrow I'll start doing push ups. Because I definitely can't do push ups today, because it's so late where I live. So doing push ups right now is definitely not possible for me. And I was a little surprised to see the enthusiasm of the forum members for this Challenge. Because if you look at it from my imagination, the faces of the members who took part in this challenge looked very enthusiastic. Even though I have only read several posts from members who took part in this challenge, many complained about the difficulty of achieving 100 push ups. However, it seems that they are still carrying out this challenge with high enthusiasm.

So tomorrow I will also try to take part in this challenge with enthusiasm. Because doing push ups until Bitcoin reaches 100 thousand dollars will certainly make me a healthier person, of course. Because I saw OP's reference video about doing 100x push ups in a month. The results are truly extraordinary. So I thought what if I continued to do push ups 100x/day within 6 months or 1 year. Maybe I will be healthier and my body will have big muscles.
19  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Mana yang kamu pilih untuk di beli, btc atau eth? on: April 24, 2024, 01:56:49 PM
Sebentar lagi mau halving, saat ini banyak orang yang membeli crypto termasuk juga saya, tapi dalam ribuan token atau koin, saya memilih membeli btc, bukan eth, jika kamu punya uang, crypto apa yang kamu beli, btc atau eth?
Bitcoin sudah pasti ane beli gan. Tapi selain bitcoin ane juga membeli beberapa altcoin. Karena biasanya ketika bitcoin harga nya naik,altcoin pun juga suka mengalami kenaikan harga. Jadi mumpung halvingnya masih baru dan harga bitcoin masih belum terlalu tinggi. Ane memutuskan untuk menambah aset di altcoin. Dan untuk saat ini ane kurang tertarik untuk membeli eth,karena kebanyakan uang yang ane miliki sudah di belikan ke bitcoin dan sisanya di belikan ke altcoin.
20  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa yang membuat kalian enggan berdiskusi di thread teknikal Bitcoin ?? on: April 24, 2024, 12:53:11 PM
Apa yang membuat kalian enggan berdiskusi di thread teknikal Bitcoin dan Blockchain ??

Apakah karena kalian takut ?
Apakah karena tidak menguasai pembahasan ?
Apakah karena tidak bisa buat kejar setoran posting ?

Memotong
Bagi ane sih, yang paling mendasari kenapa enggan untuk berdiskusi di thread yang membahas soal teknikal bitcoin ataupun blockchain,di sebabkan karena tidak menguasai pembahasan nya. Jadi kalau ane paksaan untuk tetap mencoba berdiskusi di dalamnya,takutnya ane di kira buat postingan yang spam. Karena pastinya para anggota yang suka berdiskusi di thread thread tentang teknikal bitcoin ataupun blockchain adalah orang-orang yang memiliki pengetahuan yang sangat hebat. Jadi ada ketakutan juga kenapa ane belum berani untuk berdiskusi di thread thread tersebut. Ditambah lagi ane belum memiliki ketertarikan yang besar untuk mengulik seputar teknikal bitcoin. Jadi bisa dibilang ane masih nyaman dengan kegunaan bitcoinnya saja.
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