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I'll invite you to read my posts again, carefully, and return here once you did. Sorry, my bad. My last post was supposed to be an explanation for the other readers why value betting isn't something bad. BC? Why BC? GekkeBelg opened scam accusations across many platforms. The most recent one, of which prompt BGC to finally do his investigation, was with coins.game. People are talking in general here, and you're focusing on... BC? Because he didn't get refund on that case, or for what reason is it does BC specifically being mentioned over and over?
Why did I mention BC.Game so much? It's just random luck. First I pointed out that GekkeBelg made a mistake against them. Then I found their 'betting academy' and wanted to point out the hypocrisy of sportbooks. Because he didn't get refund on that case They ended up paying GekkeBelg, even though they didn't have to(According to their TOS). Overall I think we are on the same page. Does that automatically translates that GekkeBelg is, WinTomato aside, innocent here? I say, "no".
I would say yes, but obviously I'm very biased. |
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Okay, thank you for the... clarification. Where do you get or implied it from? A quick search on GekkeBelg's post seems bear zero result of him talking about this specific technic, so I think he doesn't make it public. I analyzed his bets and compared the odds. The pattern is the same every time.  Soft  Sharper These types of edges are small, but it's enough to profit in the long run. And determine the best platform to place the bets according to those comparison. Thus, value betting. He's a live value bettor, and there's nothing wrong with that. The goal of sportsbetting is to turn a profit. As long as he didn't break the rules, the sportsbook should honor his bets. The funniest thing is that Bc.Game is coaching people on how to value bet: https://betting.bc.game/betting-academy/types-of-bets/value-bets1. Teach value betting. 2. Void all the value bets. IQ 200 Now, that is the good practice of using ToS from casino's side. That thing works both ways. These kinds of rules should be a massive red flag to all the BC.Game customers. You don't want to win a 30k$ parlay on the site that has every right to void your bet. Please rephrase. There are a lot of reasons why sportsbooks don't add rules about value betting. It would be incredibly off-putting for all the customers(Even the losers) and in a lot of cases, it's almost impossible to tell if somebody is value betting. |
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By the way, all of this talk about arbitrage betting is pointless because GekkeBelg was top-down betting.
I mentioned his strategy before, it's called the top down method. The Top Down Method is when you identify a sharp line from a sportsbook and consider that your “source of truth.” You then pick off advantageous bets at other sportsbooks based on that source of truth. That's it, there's nothing fancy about it. No arbitrage betting, no syndicate betting. Just some guy comparing odds. he made sure to check every casinos he played doesn't specify this on their ToS, so when it's used against him, his situation is bulletproof. Technically he messed up against BC.Game, because they are freerolling all of their customers: 3.3 Sportsbook platform reserves the right to refuse, restrict, cancel or limit any bet. That's why he lost his AskGamblers case against Bc.Game. on those casinos and can't find value betting on their ToS or sports-rules What about the losers who wrongly think that they are value betting? Most sportsbettors think they have an edge but in reality only 2% win. What if I don't know if I have an edge or not? It's incredibly hard to define what exactly is a valuebet, especially if you bet on smaller markets. |
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Do you know who provides the odds to sportsbook? It's odd providers. There are not many odd providers considering the number of sportsbook exists. Many sportsbook have common odd providers and those odd providers store all information of the gamblers who gamble in their clients platforms. Not all are speculation as you think.
Genius, they also have the same odds. How are you supposed to arbitrage bet on Roobet and BC.Game if they have the same odds(Both use Betby as their provider)? By the way, all of this talk about arbitrage betting is pointless because GekkeBelg was top-down betting. Are you the third one after Poika5 and Martingaleboy? Do you see the topic I created makes more sense now? Villainizing people who don't agree with you? If you can't handle criticism you shouldn't post about topics you don't understand. |
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when you are gambling without making group "Group betting" could mean anything, someone could be part of the syndicate or maybe just two friends placed a bet on the same game. The other question is even if someone is part of the syndicate, how can sportsbook have any real condemning evidence of that? CoinPlay sent some evidence to Askgamblers:  Didn't work. when you are not doing arbitrage betting I don't think any of these sportsbooks mention arbitrage in their TOS. Nevertheless... NBA game Washington Wizards vs Detroit Pistons. Sportsbook A offers Washington Wizards 2.02 Sportsbook B offers Detroit Pistons 2.02 If I bet 1000$ on both teams, I'm making 20$ either way. But how can Sportsbook A have evidence that I placed the opposing bet on Sportsbook B? They can't. It's all speculation on their part. I was expecting a response, perhaps response with anger from GekkeBelg but he seems gone or have no idea about the topic but it seems you and Martingaleboy so far are doing the job for him. You are advocating for a world where the sportsbooks have the ultimate power to freeroll everybody, without showing any evidence. I'm just advocating for a world where sportsbooks honor their bets.
I was expecting a response, perhaps response with anger from GekkeBelg but he seems gone or have no idea about the topic but it seems you and Martingaleboy so far are doing the job for him.
Maybe they are all part of the same group so they don't all 3 need to respond? Obviously I'm just speculating. Maybe you and BitcoinGirl are the same person? I mean, you are both equally clueless about this topic. Obviously I'm just speculating. but I do think that instead of looking taking advantage of "loopholes" that the bettors should spend their time helping make the casino operate better vs taking their money. By the way, did you place your daily losing bets so you could help out the operator? I hope you didn't forget, they are really counting on you buddy.
I was expecting a response, perhaps response with anger from GekkeBelg but he seems gone or have no idea about the topic but it seems you and Martingaleboy so far are doing the job for him.
Maybe they are all part of the same group so they don't all 3 need to respond? Obviously I'm just speculating. Maybe you and BitcoinGirl are the same person? I mean, you are both equally clueless about this topic. Obviously I'm just speculating. but I do think that instead of looking taking advantage of "loopholes" that the bettors should spend their time helping make the casino operate better vs taking their money. By the way, did you place your daily losing bets so you could help out the operator? I hope you didn't forget, they are really counting on you buddy. If you take a look at most of all 3 of you guys post histories, it's mostly scam accusations. If I went through and checked I'm sure that some of them are on the same sites around the same times. My speculation holds a little more water than your silly deflection. You don't have to agree and you're free to defend yourself if you feel you need to, but at least show some sort of intelligence if you expect me to reply anymore. Sorry, I'm clearly not very intelligent, my time is worth a lot of money and I'm arguing with some guy who thinks that sportsbettors should try to lose. Maybe on Monday I will go to kindergarten and start having arguments with 4-year-olds, who knows? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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It almost seems philosophical to discuss whether or not taking a bet they offer is abuse, even if you'd be certain you're going to win.
It's acceptable to VOID certain types of bets: 1. Late betting = Somebody has a better feed than the sportsbook, and they can see the next basket/goal before the sportsbook. 2. Obvious pricing errors = Detroit Pistons 58.8 instead of 5.8 etc 3. Matchfixing = abnormal and suspicious betting activity(Random Chinese Esports game gets 100k$ volume, while the standard is 200$). *Although some sportsbooks do pay "late bettors". |
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I believe the user GekkeBelg is foul-playing If that's true, it means several different casinos all allow foul play in their system. In that case they should change the system, or maybe even stop offering sports betting all together, instead of blaming the players who found a loophole. So because they found a loophole you are ok with them taking advantage? I agree that sportsbooks should not offer bets that players can take advantage of, but I also think that people in general shouldn't really be shady anytime they can. 1. The sportsbook chooses the games they offer 2. The sportsbook chose the odds & the maximum bet limits 3. The sportsbook accepted his bets And now they are playing the victim because someone won. but I do think that instead of looking taking advantage of "loopholes" that the bettors should spend their time helping make the casino operate better vs taking their money. Got it, what a great idea. Going forward I will always try to lose because casinos are a charity and they need our help. Yes, casinos are running the most predatory business in the world, BUT these poor souls have to deal with winning sports bettors occasionally! Imagine how hard is it to run a business where 98% of players are losers! |
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There are many things about sportsbook and casino that I do not think fair but at the same time they are business institute, they run by their terms. When big companies find a user is trying to take advantages from them, they starts limiting the users. For that reason it's impossible to continue such betting [taking advantage, group betting, arbitrage betting] with big sportsbook but with small sportsbook I think a professional gambler can take the opportunity easily.
No The smaller sportsbooks limit winners much faster because they are generally risk-averse and a lower volume of bets makes it easier to spot long-term winners. |
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Match-fixing is a big problem in the Asian Esports scene. They are probably checking if this game had any abnormal and suspicious betting activity.
They shouldn't offer such big limits on a low-tier Overwatch game tho. Really stupid of them.
no they dont check it even the eu games are not graded since 8th march and the korean games are also not graded were literally 0 matchfixing happens after the starcraft players got jailed https://gyazo.com/c0d47e2a505a62ae4bbd4ef3b4e98fdbYeah, they didn't even grade the last Falcons vs WAC game. Very weird, they should remove the future OW games if there is some kind of bug. I would probably try to contact SoftSwiss directly. Really weird situation, I haven't seen anything like this before. |
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Match-fixing is a big problem in the Asian Esports scene. They are probably checking if this game had any abnormal and suspicious betting activity.
They shouldn't offer such big limits on a low-tier Overwatch game tho. Really stupid of them.
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You don't understand sports betting. Out of 6 sportsbook, I got response from 3 and all have a common complain which is GekkeBelg has connection with group betters. The group targets sportsbook which has less limitations and takes advantages of the odds. the user is a professional value bettor. The group use arbitrage tools to target slow feed on sportsbook and then use rumors on bitcoin forum to get the money There's nothing wrong with any of these things. Every respected sportsbook pays winning customers. It doesn't matter if GekkeBelg did steamchase or used oddscreen like Spankodds. The whole point of being a sports bettor is to take advantage of the odds, it's literally the only way you can win. By the way, every normal(non-crypto) sportsbook would limit his max bet and then pay him out. That's the industry standard. Running a sportsbook is not supposed to be a risk-free business, sportsbooks already have a massive house edge(juice) in their favor. |
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The users were informed about the upcoming suspension of services in the form of maintenance. Users were allowed to withdraw their funds over the next several days. The site was then placed in maintenance mode. Another blatant lie, there was no announcement. Nobody had any idea what was going on.   So is there an ongoing lawsuit or not? Due to several legal actions that are pending against those who stole our intellectual property and those who wrongfully gained access to our systems and falsely claimed to be associated with us. The outcome and duration of these cases are uncertain. Therefore, we have decided to permanently cease operations and stop using the Betnomi brand in our best interests. After a detailed assessment of the issue, my council concluded there was no legal liability or exposure to me and I could proceed with a lawsuit to retrieve the company's intellectual property rights (software licenses etc) and possibly get some financial compensation for damages. However, I decided not to go on that route. |
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It is in the casino's interest for the user to play as much as possible. For the Sportsbook, the one and only reason a user will ever get limited is if they are engaged in fraud of some kind. The fact that you got limited is a clear indication you were engaged in fraud. This is one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard. The founder of a crypto sportsbook calls every winning sports bettor a fraud. By the way, the sports betting providers aren't perfect in profiling the customers, and long-term losers get limited all the time. Using your brain to find a +EV bet is fraudulent - Betnomi Even after 10 years in this business, it still never fails to amaze me how many clueless idiots/scammers there are in this space. |
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Thank you for letting us know Nutters.
Paid:
Betwrong 400$-500$
Ahoybruise 'a rather small amount'
Not paid:
Gekkebelg 0.9btc
Stayzor 0.4btc & 4.5eth
Nutters 0.12586btc
= 105,453$
(As of February 29)
If anyone else has gotten paid by Betnomi please let us know.
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10/10 experience
Instant withdrawals, no KYC even after my account got limited.
High recommendation
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Nothing is "SOLVED". There are still many people who got scammed by Betnomi and Betnomi refuse to pay them!
SOmebody please red tag this site so they will have a red card!!!
Scammed more than 100k!!!
Keep in mind that there might be individuals, such as yourself, who could potentially respond with an alt account. If you have posted your concern on this thread then please quote it with my reply as that would help the OP in handling your issue. I was happy when I saw that all issues have been resolved and now I am eager to see the reply from @betnomi and to see the outcome. I am certain that this alt account has always been doing what it does best which is a question. without any reasoning as I did check the activities and past posts from the beginning. The issue has not been solved. At the very best Betnomi has paid out about 20% of player funds.  We know that GekkeBelg had 0.9BTC and Stayzor had 0.4BTC & 4.5ETH stuck on Betnomi. They haven't been paid yet. |
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We are uncertain why people continue to present their opinions as facts. The claim that we hand-select users for refunds is outright silly; every user has been refunded, except the five users we mentioned earlier. For the sake of transparency, we will release the usernames of these five users.
The refund requests of the following two users have been denied due to fraud (and this is not up for debate):
1. hubbypub
2. Pgermaine1413
These users have been forwarded to our external risk management team for verification. We will process or deny their requests based on the outcome of the third-party review.
1. Eggs96
2. faramutsi
3. Anccik
4. nutters0n
Aside from these cases, we are currently in contact with one other user privately and are actively working on resolving their case.
There is no other user or individual to whom any money is owed in any way, shape, or form. If someone has requested a refund and hasn't received it, we encourage them to come forward and provide us with a receipt.
Hubbypub = Stayzor  It's easy to pay a bunch of 200$ withdrawals, but it looks like the bigger withdrawals got denied. Unsurprisingly, Stayzor had the second-biggest balance on Betnomi(~40k$). |
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Our initial cut-off date for refund requests was 30 days.
However, based on community feedback, we have decided to extend it for a few more days until January 1st.
After this date, we will no longer process or respond to emails related to the refund request.
This has been a challenging process, but fortunately, we worked it out successfully.
Payments were scheduled to be made in batches, but to avoid confusion and other related issues, we have decided to process everything in one go.
Thank you for your cooperation.
So, did anybody get paid? Last Active: December 27, 2023, 11:11:10 PM  |
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What? So if I'm limited at Roobet(max bet 1$) then Betby will void my 1000$ bet at Bc.Game? I have a different limit on every Betby sportsbook.
Yes, if they detect you to be using multiple websites to bypass a maximum bet amount limit set by them they would more than likely limit you across all the websites that they operate. You can confirm this with Betby themselves. My question was about voiding, not limiting. Also, which one is the "real" limit if I have different limits at every site? My point is as long as each Betby casino has a different limit, they can't enforce the cross-site limit. Think of it like casino is just being rented by bookmaker to place their sportsbook, Casino itself is just using 3rd party services for their sportsbook category which means you are limited by the bookmaker whatever casino you are using as long as it’s same bookmaker.
If you read the statement of BC carefully, they have no control over bookmaker decision since they are just using their service. Most likely you will always be limited as long as you play on same bookmaker. The case of the OP is just different because they are trying to void the bet that already have a result few days ago. I'm a pro sports bettor, and I have worked on both sides of the aisle. Usually the user would get limited before they've placed a bet, but in this case Betby needs information(bets) to profile the customer correctly. |
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He's placing a bet across different platforms on the same game for the same result. Far as I know, what's prohibited is arbitrage betting, where the bettor placed bets for multiple outcome. Given OP placed bet for the exact same outcome, I don't think that's prohibited. Unless a clause in BC's ToS specifically prohibit this... can you perhaps point it out to us, please?
Odds providers usually limit the maximum bet amount a user can place on a market; this is a common risk management strategy implemented by every odds provider. When a user exceeds the limit placed, they're not allowed to place more on the same market, and since we share the same odds provider, the limit was enforced cross-site. The 5-day delay in voiding the bet makes it awkward, but this is what has transpired. What? So if I'm limited at Roobet(max bet 1$) then Betby will void my 1000$ bet at Bc.Game? I have a different limit on every Betby sportsbook. the limit was enforced cross-site. This sounds pretty much impossible. |
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