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1  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 18, 2023, 09:35:56 PM
Guys...any explaination for this  ?  

I see that they moved funds that were generated in 2019 !!!! also ...  funny! that's their old system , on Legacy bitcoin network not seg network!

examples:

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1BN93SAJmNtk67ev6kLPzek8FtBZDRfbdh

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1JFG1oj9HtgMJ2YEg3E3qn5wBvPaaWqpHo


i dont mind much because i never used CM anyways but this is a good hint that they probably have a full backend log of all private keys, in that case we can at least be sure of a backup from 2019+


Chipmixer probably didnt keep its promises regarding of destroying the session after 7 days with a full private key wipe.


However, if a future invastigation will be made, its really hard to trace transactions to its final destination and reveal its real purporse, because every jurisdiction has limited ressources to even make onchain analysis and if so, they will most likely pass the small ones and try to focus on the big transfers.

it can hit some users maybe in the next years, if any logs or storage of users data are still kept in the destination services like : exchangers, Paid services in any kind of branch ( billings, casino etc ).

Most of them especially in EU are kept of between 5-7 years of the LAST transaction made in that financial year.


finally some topic to discuss about beside those typical bull and bear market  Cheesy
2  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 17, 2023, 06:14:40 PM


The prosecutor said that those keys were confiscated, and everybody who is using an BTC Mixer/Cleaner service is actually doing money laundering. So , what will happen now? I used to buy FOOD each day , by washing my BTC and using those keys. I did it to keep it separated from others things I did. I don't want police to know i watch porn, i send money to girls to show tits for example and so on.
Please advice



The Output Wallet adresses behind the private keys were public on the blockchain anyways, regardless if the LE could have all the information/private keys through the backup now.

The only difference in this case is that, they now know 100% which of those split chips ( 0.004 , 0.008  etc ) is 100% linked to CM and which are not.


However, even if they have a full log of all private keys ( claimed and unclaimed ), the final adress whatever service it is link to needs to be first identified. After that this Service behind this final url has to identify the user too.

So up to the service, jurisdiction etc there can be still stored logs of the user or not.  Also even if they have all those logs it takes ages to identify the user and if so they have to proove that he was the individual whom used CM. So this cant be fully proven because you could say that you bought those coins from a p2p trade...

so i would not worry about that.
3  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 17, 2023, 09:33:16 AM
Well just to add something on top of it,



Hetzner doesnt even offer Crypto payments to pay the invoice/rent hosting.


So chipmixer used a provider who resells the server of hetzner which means that that this " middleman " provider could snoop around aswell and as also a security breach itself on top of that   or CM paid the invoices through paypal maybe directly at hetzner?

on top of that: Hetzner needs an ID document in order to get a server  ( in case you order directly from them )


I dont want to make false conclusions but the operators of CM didnt even made an own based research hosting wise.
4  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 17, 2023, 08:19:27 AM
Well in my point of view if "he" or " them " worked way more professional then why did they choose an " onshore " hosting even if its maybe one out of X servers in their internal structure.

I mean choosing such an jurisdiction for hosting such a website doesnt make any sense. I mean we talk about hetzner which reacts very strict to any kind of abuse against their ToS and chipmixer/crypto falls for sure under their terms.


So imo i think they didnt even work properly from the beginning when choosing the server location. They might have some technical knowledge to setup the infrastructure but they didnt even think twice about the server location itself.
5  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] ChipMixer.com - Bitcoin mixer / Bitcoin tumbler - mixing reinvented on: March 16, 2023, 02:02:46 PM
Can someone explain me where the benefit of having all those private keys  from every single mixing order is ?


Because the pre funded wallets which the user gained access after receiving the private key from chipmixer were public anyways on the blockchain.


So what i dont understand is, there is no extra gain of tracement only that the LE is having the privatekeys or am i having a wrong conclusion?

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