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1  Economy / Gambling discussion / JOB OFFER-Looking for scouts to attend sport events on: July 12, 2023, 12:28:02 PM
Hi guys,
as the title says I am looking for people all over the globe who could go to football/hockey(and other sports) matches and transmit real time data to me.
Before you all ask if it's legal-Yes it is.
Some events forbid to transmit live data(Like tennis tournaments) but we don't even ask you to attend such events.
Our focus is primarily Football and Hockey.
We pay few hundred bucks per match(depending on match, depending on how good narrator you are and how good that match for us is) and we can provide part time and full time job.
If you are interested,PM me.
2  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 05, 2023, 09:45:42 AM
Lol, if you’re making a “really nice” living, then I’d say it’s probably not time for you to change professions.  Sports books haven’t become “soft”, that’s not the right word to use here at all, they’ve simply become more conservative having learned from their past mistakes.

I agree, they didn't become soft or what, they just become smart base on past history and what not. That's why the odds the book makers are putting are really on the edge and if you look at it, maybe you will feel that you are in a lose-lose situation, unless everything has change when you bet on the underdogs won.

It’s true some operate out of places like the British Virgin Islands that harbor criminals and criminal activity. This is why you simply don’t use them.

I'm not familiar with sports bookies that have license from British Virgin Islands, if this is what you meant. But if this is true then we should stay away from it.

They are soft and that is a fact. Every bookie which has betmax for normal level around 200e is soft bookie as it has small limits.
You are making wrong assumptions.
I already bet in crypto bookies, i already have runners in different countries for local shops and I am doing ok,just wanted to ask fellow colleagues how they deal with all changes.
Taxes on betting are high as ever..in uk rly low stake possible on terminals..new york 50% winning tax etc..really hard industry with noone protecting the bettors.

Considering complaints on bookies and why you dont see it on forums its bcs you dont want to see.
Even on this forum you have posts about stake.com not paying out,let alone sbr forum or askgamblers.com...everyone tries to solve firstly normal way with chat and support,then over forums and last step is witj lawyers and lawsuit. In that moment its not even allowed to post anything on forums anymore..
3  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 04, 2023, 01:16:29 PM
When it comes to beating a sharp bookie like Pinnacle(which isn't even a sharp anymore), their early limits are ridicilously low and with Early bets you help them correct the lines and remove the value.

I have tried everything in betting world and for the first time in over 15 years I believe that it's time to change profession. I am still making really nice figures but with way more effort and dificulties than before.
Reason for this post is that I want to hear experiences from other bettors and maybe we can help each other with advices

When it comes to sports betting we usually don't play against the bookmaker, but rather against other gambler. That's the main difference to casinos, in a casino well play against the house and when we lose the casino wins. That is why the casino adds a house edge to all it's games to make sure they win in the long run. A bookmakers offers all type of bets, we can bet on a win, lose or draw of our team and the bookie has no preference what we pick. The bookmaker adds a spread to all his bets, that's why we can't just bet on every outcome and make a profit. He is not in the business of making good bets himself on which team is winning and losing, rather the bookie is trying to match all type of bettors against each other. That's why our goal shouldn't be to beat the bookmaker.

You are not correct.
Early lines of events aren't made or moduled by bettors stakes but by bookies and their alghoritms. Closer to the match start odds become more influenced by stakes.
For inplay is simillar. It takes huge number of stakes on one particular outcome to affect odds.
So yes, Pinnacle when open lines has limit 200e. If you hit it, it moves odds. If you hit again, moves again. In that scenario player stakes influence the odds but that is rarity.
Bookies have their lines, they have their juices(nowadays most bookies offer 1.83 on something which is odds 2) and they have sure profits longterm
4  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 04, 2023, 12:20:40 PM
You probably didn't try your best to look for a bookmaker that is not a scam. Stake.com had been around for years. I'd be surprised if you hadn't heard of it.

What I'm not sure of is what you mean by beating a sportbook, they are pretty much rich and they limit how much you can bet if they are not able to pay you if you win. Thats sort of how it works and guarantees you may not be able to bankrupt them.

I think his scam description to crypto bookies are those casino that limit a user when they are winning frequently that makes user like him doesn’t have enough time to play more in the casino to generate more profit. Most of the case of casino scam accusation usually involves sports betting. The reason for that is because user is placing only on valued bets or on matches that is flagged as fixed match.

I think he will experience that same even on Stake or other reputable bookie since he mention that he is always successful on having a profit by playing on bookies.

well, if he thinks he's not getting ahead anymore on this type of betting, even playing on reputable bookies, then, he can always change his profession and find another industry where he can earn a lot of money. bookies have their own way of getting ahead of this game, after all, they are in this business to earn as much profits as they can. they will go bankrupt if each bettor will beat the house. so do you think, bookies would let this happen? i don't think so.

My point is that whole area is non regulated. There is noone controlling those bookmakers, there is noone controlling or commenting how one Betradar(sportradar) has 90% of market which is actually monopoly.
When you mention fixed matches, how can one Sportsbook be sponsor of multiple clubs in same league?
They see how much is staked on each outcome, see their liability and potential profit and MAYBE influence it...

Of couse that sportsbooks adapt, it's normal but the fact is that they don't answer to anyone and can decide not to pay whenever they want.

Considering later replies, Pinnacle I use regulary while betfair also implements premium tax for constant winners and I use it regulary aswell. My post was intended for normal bookmakers, not sharps as Pinny/Betfair/ibc etc..
5  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 04, 2023, 12:13:26 PM
You probably didn't try your best to look for a bookmaker that is not a scam. Stake.com had been around for years. I'd be surprised if you hadn't heard of it.

What I'm not sure of is what you mean by beating a sportbook, they are pretty much rich and they limit how much you can bet if they are not able to pay you if you win. Thats sort of how it works and guarantees you may not be able to bankrupt them.



Stake.com is one of the worst out there. Using Celebs to promote themselves with huge sums while in real life you can't bet 500 usd on low level tennis. Their offer is sh1t and when they lock your account, it takes ages to answer or resolve issues.
For 99% of time their support doesn't provide answer but switch blame to another department etc..And to sue them, that's another pa1n in the ass..
Stake.com aims for gamblers who go in casino or ludomaniacs, not normal people as their offer is really poor.
6  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 03, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Gambling is not as same as betting.
When you gamble in casino, you have predetermined chances to win and house is always in advantage.
With betting it's different. There is plenty variables which affect odds and on long run you can beat the bookie.
If you know players from club from your city and you know they have been drinking all night before the match, you have the value of betting against them. Of course, it doesn't mean it will win, but bookmakers didn't have that information when created the odds and often won't have even closer to start so it's worth betting.
If you are on tennis tournament and see the player strugling with injury, you can make a bet against him  before he asks medical timeout and bookmakers adjust the odds. That's another example of getting the value bet and making profit on long run.
Even simpler, if there is friendly match and it's expected to be strongest lineup of one club but the moment the lineups are out you spot it's 2nd team, you can bet before odds adjust.
Please do not put gambling and betting in same basket.
I agree both can be devastating if you stake more than you can afford and both can ruin lives, but difference is that betting can also be profitable on long run while casino can't(excluding poker and p2p games)
7  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 03, 2023, 02:30:39 PM
Well I am not talking about gambling for fun, when you do few hundred bucks and have fun. As the title says, I am talking about beating a sportsbooks. I am living of betting for long time and that's simply not possible with 1 account per bookmaker,especially lately. Everyone who says otherwise is a delusional.
Try hitting lets say low level tennis ITF. Lot of wrong odds there as lot of players don't even have ranking.
You can win maximum of few hundreds on such events and after you do some profits, you will get restricted to few bucks per bet.
Same is with lower basketball/football leagues.
Of course that major competitions are different story, but they are almost impossible to beat on the long run.
8  Economy / Gambling discussion / DISCUSSION-How hard is it to beat a sportsbook? on: July 03, 2023, 01:55:02 PM
Hi guys,
I just want to start a discussion here regarding the topic how hard is it to beat sportsbook.
As a sucessfull bettor for over a decade, I want to state that nowadays it's much harder than in past decade. The whole market changed, majority of sportsbooks became "soft" with low limits and quick limiting of account.
Opening new accounts has neven been harder as KYC are harder than before+everyone lacks normal wallets for such work. In past we had Skrill and Neteller while now those are not an option.
For all of you who will write "crypto", its not an option at all. Firstly lot of good bookmakers don't accept crypto and all crypto bookmaker which I have stumbled upon by now have proven to be a scam. If they suspect even a little, without any proof, they will close account and you can go on court for them forever.

Adittional problem nowadays are cheap licenses from Curacao,Malta or Giblatar. Everyone can open a bookmaker, not pay a customer and face no consequences as their govering bodies almost never respond to complaints, let alone solve them.
Most of the bookmakers use same odds provider Betradar(Sportradar) or Betconstruct which creates another obstacle in profiting from betting. Same platform for odds means often identical odds and reactions to stakes so there is not many sites where you can do value betting anylonger.

When it comes to beating a sharp bookie like Pinnacle(which isn't even a sharp anymore), their early limits are ridicilously low and with Early bets you help them correct the lines and remove the value.

I have tried everything in betting world and for the first time in over 15 years I believe that it's time to change profession. I am still making really nice figures but with way more effort and dificulties than before.
Reason for this post is that I want to hear experiences from other bettors and maybe we can help each other with advices
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