The irony in this statement is that before Musk became a celebrated right-wing figure, anyone owning an electric vehicle would have been considered a woke pussy by the same people worshipping Musk and Trump.

Bitcoin Address: bc1qpz86z2tcmhwczj3d3ehv6k83jyjzgtfremddhc

That is irrelevant. I have mentioned other users who have spread misinformation and vouched for services that offer substandard privacy and can possibly steal your coins and log your information. As someone whose opinion actually held weight amongst users it would only be natural for his name to come up as well.

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The quote button doesn't work if a thread was moved to Archival. Here is what you said in the old thread started by Symmetrick.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62752915#msg62752915

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62708731#msg62708731

You called ChipMixer more effective than Whirlpool and Joinmarket.


One of the rare times where you mention the custodial aspect being a drawback yet you still said it was better than coinjoin.


Here is a final one although I could probably find more by searching other keywords.

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The point I was making isn't about user error from the KuCoin hacker. It is about Chipmixer and those shilling for it being caught lying about "time travelling". The hacker could have done everything perfectly and it wouldn't change the fact that Chipmixer was scamming users. Their mistakes only made it easier to detect how they were scamming by sometimes providing users with non-private chips created from their own deposit. It would be the equivalent of doing a whirlpool mix where you are the only participant, thus not doing any actual mixing.

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I have tried to avoid the drama and am not seeking for submission from anybody. I've only intended to engage in factual debate. My only problem is with mixers and the hypocrisy of those who have defended them despite the many problems involved with using them. Criticisms against Wasabi are also fair, since they are not without their own flaws, and people should be free to express their concerns. I am not for censoring, red tagging, and making false accusations which is what I have received when I have expressed views that inconvenienced several members.

Many people downplayed the risks and lied to users about how these mixers work.

o_l_e_o called ChipMixer low risk and secure.


You called Chipmixer better than coinjoin and repeated the time travel myth time and time again.


We know this is false because the KuCoin hacker reused the same deposit address and when they consolidated their chips we were able to see that in some cases they were just receiving the same coins they had just deposited. Chipmixer was especially bad for larger amounts because they lacked the liquidity to give you enough pre-funded chips. In a coinjoin if there isn't enough immediate liquidity, you either get toxic change in return or you continue mixing until all your funds are private, they don't lie to you and tell you your coins are private when they aren't.

I’ve witnessed far bigger vulnerabilities with custodial mixers, however, since there are so many members being paid to advertise these scam websites on altcoinstalk this will never receive the level of acknowledgment it deserves.

Ricochet has nothing to do with coinjoin. It is just a copy or Samourai Wallet’s ricochet feature which adds several hops to your transactions. Why you would send your coins to a custodian and pay them a fee for something that can easily be done from any regular self custodial wallet is beyond my understanding. It is worse than coinjoin because it doesn’t hide the connection between the sender and receiver and all the extra hops cost you unnecessary fees.

They also have terms and conditions prohibiting residents of the United States so I assume all the people that complained about zkSNACKs censorship when they had similar geographical restrictions in their final month of operation will be just as angry and will be pressuring forum users not to use Mixero. They should be doing that regardless because it is a blatant scam. You don’t need a custodian to swap back and forth between BTC and XMR. You don’t need a custodian to do coinjoins for you. You don’t need a custodian to add hops to your transactions. They are deceiving customers by claiming to offer privacy services when they are really just a custodial wallet trying to scam you into paying fees.

You are just trolling at this point. Why ask for evidence for something which you already know is true? Plenty of mixers which have advertised on bitcointalk ended up exit scamming.

What happened to this mixer which you were paid to review?


I’ll give you a clue. Tumbler .io exit scammed and users from this forum lost their funds. From following your deposits on a block explorer there is no evidence of any actual mixing going on. Your deposits are consolidated in the same transaction and later used to pay another user’s withdrawal. Almost every deposit into this mixer created toxic change and they didn’t even try to prevent users from reusing addresses for their withdrawal. Calling these services custodial wallets is more appropriate. Calling them mixers is dishonest advertising because there is no real meaningful level of obfuscation being provided.

Mixers and promoters of those services aren’t scammers because of the clients they attract, they are scammers because they convince users that giving up control of their coins is necessary in order to attain privacy. Those who recommended custodial mixers as a privacy solution exposed countless people to the risk of theft through exit scams and selective stealing, not to mention having their information logged and handed over to authorities.

If a nonprofit coordinator is a scam because it was used by a hacker what does that make Jambler which was used by the very same hacker? What does it make those like yourself who profited directly for many months from advertising this mixer?

That’s not how it works. Users data was never collected by third parties. Wasabi doesn’t have the ability to collect any useful information to begin with. They don’t know your IP. They don’t have your XPUB. If they did, I would certainly consider them scammers like many privacy services that were being advertised and recommended by members of this forum despite the massive risk of losing funds and leaking your transaction history.

It should be assumed that all custodial mixers are scams and can steal your money at any point. They know most people aren’t bothering to verify their letter of guarantee and selectively scam their users. Usually this won’t cause them any reputational damage because any proof that might have existed is now gone and there will be plenty of shills hoping to get into their altcointalks campaign coming to their defense, however, Cryptomixer has had some stability problems lately and this all could be an indication they are exit scamming.

I was being sarcastic. That reply you linked to was actually intended to be a criticism of the merit system. If you look at the screenshot I included it is of a user who is getting most of his merit from a single thread. He has also only given merit on that one thread. We can definitely see that that thread is used by his local community to quickly rank up their accounts to participate in signature campaigns. I don’t know what language that is but this type of thing is not exclusive to Nigerians, it happens in other Local communities, the OP just probably noticed it more with Nigerians based on his interactions and singled them out.

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I agree with your overall point but I think the merit giveaway threads and people specifically asking merit sources, either privately or publicly, to review their posts is part of the problem too. Such easily acquirable merit is often misused by account farmers and low quality users looking to get into campaigns. Although, with how much of a grind it is for newbies to rank up without these merit sources and their local communities, I don’t know of an ideal solution that wouldn’t just cause newer members to give up in frustration.

If you look at any below average to mediocre quality Nigerian poster’s merit history you will often see a wall of merits mostly coming from users such as fillipone, JayJuanGee, and CryptoBrainboss. It is not racist to point this out, it is just the way it is. I wouldn’t really consider this merit abuse, but it’s also not that users are being organically merited because of their superior quality. What is even the point of having a merit system that isn’t based on being meritorious but is significantly based in cronyism and begging?

Considering how much money goes through mixers, $40k was a drop in the bucket. When you look at scam accusations made against mixers, it is usually whale amounts worth multiple BTC that get stolen. The price of Bitcoin has appreciated significantly so the $14k DAI remaining in the fund probably won’t be nearly enough to cover the losses from somebody making a late claim.

Giving users a false sense of trust with the escrow was a nice tactic to lure in potential victims. From the looks of it, they actually succeeded. The address used to pool deposits grew from 3 BTC to over 13 BTC. Doing some rough math, they spent less than 3 BTC in their signature campaign. They would’ve made ~7 BTC in profit from their scam but it might be greater if they were withdrawing smaller amounts from the pool before they rugpulled.


This still exposes your deposit address in the letter of guarantee. The campaign manager could potentially figure out if your deposited funds were involved in illegal activity and tell law enforcement to track the refund address.


Your initial impression was correct. They walked off with hundreds of thousands of dollars. You made yourself look bad with your complicity.

Everybody already knows you can lose funds in custodial mixers, you would have to be a moron not to know this. Just because you disclosed this already known fact doesn’t absolve you from using your reputation to legitimize scams. Users of the Whirlwind scam only got refunded because there was some funds left in escrow which they hadn’t taken back yet. We don’t know how many victims didn’t ask for a refund for fear of being deanonymized. If anybody got rugged for an amount greater than what was in escrow they got completely screwed over.

You can try to revise history and use whatever euphemisms for exit scam but you’ve already admitted it was a scam and that you were part of it. Most scammers sleep easy, you’re not the only one. It just means your greed is greater than your integrity.

Why didn’t you warn people about the thousands of red flags with ChipMixer, Whirlwind, MyCryptoMixer, Sinbad, YoMix, UniJoin, Tumbler io?

How many users were rugpulled because trusted members of the bitcointalk community recommended these scams?

Custodial mixing shills contradict themselves by promoting and profiting off of the very thing they claim to be against. Such incredibly dishonest and disgusting behavior. These pathological scammers should donate their signature earnings to Samourai’s defense fund if they are capable of feeling contrition. Ideally they would pay restitutions to those who lost funds with mixers, but those losses could be in the millions and it will be impossible to ever fully undo the damage they caused by endorsing those thieves.


Obviously they were if they were collecting users xpubs making them easily accessible to law enforcement.


This is why crypto and privacy keep getting fucked more and more, people openly cheering for government overreach as long as it’s against those they hate. It’s not just a Wasabi vs. Samourai thing, it's Bitcoin vs shitcoins too. Everyone’s lives will get worse but at least Wasabi devs, lightning service providers, and Uniswap’s CEO will all be locked away and it might pump my bags of whatever I’m holding.

How would that user know they were banned because of bad chainalysis and not connectivity issues, which it’s common to have with Tor? Samourai also bans coins, but when you try to ask them about it TDev will give a nonsense word salad reply or accuse you, without any evidence whatsoever, of being a malicious actor from Wasabi trying to attack their coinjoins.

You’re missing the point. I have no evidence at all, neither does Lucius when he accused Ben Codie. He pulled this idea out of thin air and when asked for more evidence he basically just admits it’s a gut feeling based on the flimsiest and unsubstantial reasoning. I could also accuse you of being an alt account of OddJobs. Why? Because OddJobs made a statement about having alt accounts and now you’re also talking about alt accounts. Pretty damn suspicious if you ask me.

The merit system is working well. Trust me, bro.  Why would you want to change something that is so very perfectly fine. Nothing to see here, let’s just move along.




I’m starting to suspect you’re an alt account of OddJobsForBitcoin and only throwing around baseless accusations to deflect.