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It should be assumed that all custodial mixers are scams and can steal your money at any point. They know most people aren’t bothering to verify their letter of guarantee and selectively scam their users. Usually this won’t cause them any reputational damage because any proof that might have existed is now gone and there will be plenty of shills hoping to get into their altcointalks campaign coming to their defense, however, Cryptomixer has had some stability problems lately and this all could be an indication they are exit scamming.
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What is even the point of having a merit system that isn’t based on being meritorious but is significantly based in cronyism and begging?
Allow me bring this reply of yours to your notice and maybe you can check for yourself how contradictory you sound right now. here , you are okay with how the merit system works but seem to have a big issue when it concerns the Nigerian local board? You think most Nigerian posters are being helped by merit sources like the ones you mentioned? SMH! Your assumptions make me lightheaded and I really wonder if you move around the forum and see how other boards abuse the merit system or are you just bothered the Nigerian community ijavascript:void(0);s progressing. Allow yourself to be happy for others for once bro. I was being sarcastic. That reply you linked to was actually intended to be a criticism of the merit system. If you look at the screenshot I included it is of a user who is getting most of his merit from a single thread. He has also only given merit on that one thread. We can definitely see that that thread is used by his local community to quickly rank up their accounts to participate in signature campaigns. I don’t know what language that is but this type of thing is not exclusive to Nigerians, it happens in other Local communities, the OP just probably noticed it more with Nigerians based on his interactions and singled them out.
Umm, I think it's too far. They're merit sources, so they have more spendable merits unlike ordinary users and sometime merit sources are used to support their local boards, even though there's no written rule about that. fillippone, he has it's own Merit distribution thread, actually any user has a same chance to report his post for being reviewed and merited. JayJuanGee, I would say you're wrong, he's one of objective merit sources that don't care who you're. CryptopreneurBrainboss, he's the merit source in Nigeria, so it's make sense he spend more merit in his local board. What I see the problem is the non merit source users, not the merit sources. I agree with your overall point but I think the merit giveaway threads and people specifically asking merit sources, either privately or publicly, to review their posts is part of the problem too. Such easily acquirable merit is often misused by account farmers and low quality users looking to get into campaigns. Although, with how much of a grind it is for newbies to rank up without these merit sources and their local communities, I don’t know of an ideal solution that wouldn’t just cause newer members to give up in frustration. |
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If you look at any below average to mediocre quality Nigerian poster’s merit history you will often see a wall of merits mostly coming from users such as fillipone, JayJuanGee, and CryptoBrainboss. It is not racist to point this out, it is just the way it is. I wouldn’t really consider this merit abuse, but it’s also not that users are being organically merited because of their superior quality. What is even the point of having a merit system that isn’t based on being meritorious but is significantly based in cronyism and begging?
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Users got refunded, because Whirlwind expected such incidents to occur. And even if they didn't, scammers don't leave $40k as escrow, in case shit hits the fan.
Considering how much money goes through mixers, $40k was a drop in the bucket. When you look at scam accusations made against mixers, it is usually whale amounts worth multiple BTC that get stolen. The price of Bitcoin has appreciated significantly so the $14k DAI remaining in the fund probably won’t be nearly enough to cover the losses from somebody making a late claim. Giving users a false sense of trust with the escrow was a nice tactic to lure in potential victims. From the looks of it, they actually succeeded. The address used to pool deposits grew from 3 BTC to over 13 BTC. Doing some rough math, they spent less than 3 BTC in their signature campaign. They would’ve made ~7 BTC in profit from their scam but it might be greater if they were withdrawing smaller amounts from the pool before they rugpulled. You could accept a refund anonymously.
This still exposes your deposit address in the letter of guarantee. The campaign manager could potentially figure out if your deposited funds were involved in illegal activity and tell law enforcement to track the refund address. It feels awful when you promote a service which is turned down by the government, but it is even more awful if that service turns out to be a scam. However, I think I had made that post under the impression they took the users' money and left, whereas I later realized that the campaign manager could cover potential losses, which is something that never happens on an exit scam.
Has any Wasabi shill read the discussion made after that post of mine, or are you just trying to make me look bad deliberately?
Your initial impression was correct. They walked off with hundreds of thousands of dollars. You made yourself look bad with your complicity. |
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Why didn’t you warn people about the thousands of red flags with ChipMixer, Whirlwind, MyCryptoMixer, Sinbad, YoMix, UniJoin, Tumbler io? What thousands of red flags? Lol. ChipMixer was the most decent mixer until it was confiscated by the authorities. Whirlwind suddenly stopped operating and every user who deposited, got refunded. As for custody of the coins, I have warned every single time that you're putting trust that it won't take the users' coins and disappear, and that it is not a honeypot. If you're OK under these terms, then what's the problem? How many users were rugpulled because trusted members of the bitcointalk community recommended these scams? Am I now representing the "trusted members of Bitcointalk" as a whole? If you want to accuse me, let me know in the Reputation board. I'm personally sleeping easy knowing that I've always clarified the potential events that might occur when you forfeit custody of your coins. Everybody already knows you can lose funds in custodial mixers, you would have to be a moron not to know this. Just because you disclosed this already known fact doesn’t absolve you from using your reputation to legitimize scams. Users of the Whirlwind scam only got refunded because there was some funds left in escrow which they hadn’t taken back yet. We don’t know how many victims didn’t ask for a refund for fear of being deanonymized. If anybody got rugged for an amount greater than what was in escrow they got completely screwed over. You can try to revise history and use whatever euphemisms for exit scam but you’ve already admitted it was a scam and that you were part of it. Most scammers sleep easy, you’re not the only one. It just means your greed is greater than your integrity. |
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Nobody in their right mind would use Wasabi after the thousand red flags, but still, the liquidity which was sitting on the main coordinator could attract those few left. Now that the authorities are hostile on everyone writing Bitcoin privacy software, they'll probably not switch to decentralized.
I might hate Wasabi. And I've done all I could to warn about their intentions and suspicious activities. But, even for my enemy, I wouldn't have wished being shut down by the state like that. Nobody deserves it, I think.
Why didn’t you warn people about the thousands of red flags with ChipMixer, Whirlwind, MyCryptoMixer, Sinbad, YoMix, UniJoin, Tumbler io? How many users were rugpulled because trusted members of the bitcointalk community recommended these scams? |
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You lured people into EVERY SINGLE ONE of these rugpulls, yet, you spent years deliberately lying about Wasabi, which is TRUSTLESS SOFTWARE.
While you were attacking trustless open source software, you promoted Mixtum who said they explicitly perform blockchain analysis on their users and confiscate their users coins "at any time at its own discretion, with or without reasons, with or without notification assuming no responsibility whatsoever."
Custodial mixing shills contradict themselves by promoting and profiting off of the very thing they claim to be against. Such incredibly dishonest and disgusting behavior. These pathological scammers should donate their signature earnings to Samourai’s defense fund if they are capable of feeling contrition. Ideally they would pay restitutions to those who lost funds with mixers, but those losses could be in the millions and it will be impossible to ever fully undo the damage they caused by endorsing those thieves. Samourai obviously not a honeypot.
Obviously they were if they were collecting users xpubs making them easily accessible to law enforcement. They deserve the storm if it ends up coming their way.
This is why crypto and privacy keep getting fucked more and more, people openly cheering for government overreach as long as it’s against those they hate. It’s not just a Wasabi vs. Samourai thing, it's Bitcoin vs shitcoins too. Everyone’s lives will get worse but at least Wasabi devs, lightning service providers, and Uniswap’s CEO will all be locked away and it might pump my bags of whatever I’m holding. |
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In other news, Wasabi's default coordinator refuses to mix a "clean" coinbase tx0, because it flags their chain analysis filters.   (from: https://t.me/SamouraiWallet, in March 25) How would that user know they were banned because of bad chainalysis and not connectivity issues, which it’s common to have with Tor? Samourai also bans coins, but when you try to ask them about it TDev will give a nonsense word salad reply or accuse you, without any evidence whatsoever, of being a malicious actor from Wasabi trying to attack their coinjoins.   |
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I’m starting to suspect you’re an alt account of OddJobsForBitcoin and only throwing around baseless accusations to deflect.
You're 100% wrong with your understanding. How could you even think that a reputed member like Lucius needs to own an alt account which's useless? OddJobsForBitcoin hasn't contributed anything to the forum while on other hand Lucius is a known member of the community who has contributed a lot to the community. I suggest you to be careful while making such assumptions. You’re missing the point. I have no evidence at all, neither does Lucius when he accused Ben Codie. He pulled this idea out of thin air and when asked for more evidence he basically just admits it’s a gut feeling based on the flimsiest and unsubstantial reasoning. I could also accuse you of being an alt account of OddJobs. Why? Because OddJobs made a statement about having alt accounts and now you’re also talking about alt accounts. Pretty damn suspicious if you ask me.  then for me that is enough for justified suspicion that it is possibly the same person.
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The merit system is working well. Trust me, bro. Why would you want to change something that is so very perfectly fine. Nothing to see here, let’s just move along.  @nutildah, I'm not good at digging into someone's accounts and looking for links, but if we take into account the whole context behind everything that's happening with the @OddJobsForBitcoin account and his public acknowledgment that he has so many alt accounts under his control that he doesn't even know their number - and that one Legendary account just appeared and supported his idea and then disappeared (it was not active since the creation of the topic), then for me that is enough for justified suspicion that it is possibly the same person.
Of course, this is not an accusation, but only my personal observation when looking at the overall picture. Maybe I'm wrong, but when someone chooses silence and ignoring instead of defense, it's not something that works in his favor.
I’m starting to suspect you’re an alt account of OddJobsForBitcoin and only throwing around baseless accusations to deflect. |
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There is tons of shitposters with Sr. Member+ rank. They are mostly from a few specific countries, which I won’t name, but some of these local boards hand out merits like candy to all their buddies. It is borderline abusing the merit system. There definitely needs to be some improvements. Demerit isn’t the best idea because members with contrarian views often get a lot of hate for challenging certain narratives. It will just be another way to bully and try to silence those with dissenting views.
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Sadly, the day we could recommend mixers on Bitcointalk are gone. However, we can talk about reliable sites discussing mixing and the theory of it. Take a look at BitMixList. I just bookmarked it myself a few minutes ago. The website is created by a trusted Bitcointalk user. You will find what you are looking for there. LoyceV already mentioned, but mixers and popular centralized exchanges aren't exactly friends. More precisely, the information exchanges receive from blockchain analysis companies about coins connected to mixers causes them to sound many alarms. If possible, stay away from CEXs. Also stay away from Wasabi and their default coordinator that is partnered with a blockchain analysis company interested in de-anonymizing bitcoin transactions. If you can't trust Wasabi then why would you ever trust a custodial mixer which isn't trustless and isn't open source? OP should definitely stay away from anything related to the platform advertised in your signature. All coins passing through Jambler mixers are analyzed for taint, if they're rejected for being too dirty Jambler can decide to keep them. More than a week has passed since 03.05.2023, but my bitcoins have not returned yet. Terrible service, I do not advise anyone to invest their bitcoins.
With the ability to de-anonymize users by knowing the link between inputs and outputs and without being able to verify their "no logs" claim it isn't advisable to use mixers. |
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zkSNACKs already successfully convinced their remaining user base that the current collaboration with blockchain analysis is not a privacy issue, so I think they'll market it successfully, again. One thing still isn't clear to me: does the coinjoin coordinator see which input belongs to which output? If so, they know everything. If not, I'm curious how it works on a technical level (but don't really want to spend time on it since I'll never use them anyway). Nobody in this thread seems to know anything about how it works yet they make all these nonsense claims. No, they cannot see which input belongs to which output. https://docs.wasabiwallet.io/using-wasabi/CoinJoin.html#wabisabi-protocol-step-by-step |
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And this is why they have an enhanced privacy feature. Each investors can go on their own. And it's up to them if they will invest only on one or two coins. If they invest in two coins, that second coin doesn't always need to be Bitcoin. Investing is also different from staking, but both of them are a great way to make a profit here in crypto.
Zcash is bitcoin+CoinJoin, It enhances your privacy, but it does not enhance it to the maximum extent, and you can obtain similar privacy if you use bitcoin+CoinJoin, so whoever wants to enhance your privacy, instead of investing in Zcash, which does not perform well, you can obtain similar privacy from investing in bitcoin and using any service that supports CoinJoin. So whoever wants to invest, bitcoin + monero is much better. Dash is the coinjoin one. Shielded Zcash transactions are encrypted using zkSNARKS. Privacy would be superior to Monero if all transactions were shielded but they’re only a small percentage. Monero is quick to adapt and make improvements but it is not completely untraceable in its current form. Blockchain analysis companies can still track payments to an extent but it involves a lot more guesswork than tracing BTC. https://news.bitcoin.com/moonstone-research-study-etches-doubts-on-moneros-privacy-crypto-community-reacts/ |
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Wouldn't it be more likely for all privacy minded users to abandon Wasabi entirely? Even if the current bad reputation isn't enough, that will end the moment it's bought by a blockchain analysis company.
The "privacy minded users" are not their target. Instead their target is the majority who don't really understand how to improve their privacy and are too lazy to do any research so they end up in a honeypot like Wasabi wallet. That's more than enough for a blockchain analysis company to get ahead in the competition and make a ton of money selling its services to bitcoin businesses who are forced by the authorities to subscribe to such malicious services. In my opinion the danger Wasabi poses which needs to be emphasized is not to its own users, it is to other privacy oriented projects and also to privacy in general. Think of this scenario: a user who mixes their coin using anything but Wasabi (like centralized mixers, other CoinJoin implementations, etc.) has their transaction rejected and their account restricted by a centralized service they're using (like a CEX). But users who use Wasabi don't face the same problem since the blockchain analysis company knows their coins origin and has the "link" which they provide authorities. They start complaining on the internet and start being advised to use the Wasabi (they honeypot) because they didn't have their coins seized when using Wasabi. Before you know it the number of users of real privacy improving tools fall, their volume falls too making CoinJoin and mixing harder while making banning them a lot easier and less costly for centralized services making those services comply more willingly. A mixed output can’t be linked to its origin. That’s why the protocol Wasabi was originally based on is called ZeroLink. Chain analysis companies wouldn’t know anything besides what’s already publicly visible on the blockchain. The coordinator is blind to which outputs were funded by which inputs. Tor and block filters also ensure additional privacy from the coordinator which is in contrast to Whirlpool, where by default you’re connecting over your clear IP and revealing your XPUBs. It’s also different than Jambler based mixers, which many in this forum seem so fond of. Jambler, which also blacklists tainted coins, is custodial and knows the direct link between deposits and withdrawals. |
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Scamourai lackeys have to resort to this type of behaviour to deflect from Scamourai's flaws which include revealing your IP address and xpub by default and shitty fake coinjoins which reuse addresses  |
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Are these newbie shills paid by zkSNACKs or is zkSNACKs behind those accounts? This entire thread is becoming a mess.
You think zkSNACKs would pay people to create accounts on here to tell people to create a coordinator that competes against zkSNACKs?... How does that make sense? Take "Dont Trust Verify" user for example. They don't tell people to create a coordinator. They have 2 posts on the forum in total and both to defend zkSNACKs. I am all for having multiple coordinators. Chaincase was around a few years ago and I wish they were still here but the dev decided to focus more on payjoins. I have been on this forum for years. I created a throwaway account because the Mixtum and Whirlwind shills have used the threat of negative trust feedback to try and silence criticism of these mixers. I am not associated with Wasabi or zkSNACKs in any way. |
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If zkSNACKs hasn't allowed outside firms to organise independent audits of their operations they should. It'll be good if Wasabi Wallet users seek reassurances. I don't know if Unijoin plagiarised Wasabi's legal documents or if Unijoin's functions didn't copy the open source and non-custodial aspects in full. I didn't read posts with those allegations before you've said it. Of course you don't know what these dodgy centralized mixers are doing because all the shills in this forum would like to keep you ignorant so they can continue profiting off them. There is no trust in zkSNACKs required. Tor is on by default, it's not opt-in like Samourai or Sparrow. They don't collect your xpub like Samourai or Sparrow's "trusted" electrum servers. Block data is downloaded on your device so you don't have to make an API call to blockchain.info like Samourai did to get your balance. Wasabi is non-custodial so there is no way for the coordinator to link mixed outputs to registered inputs, that's what Unijoin does. |
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I've looked at the post but benefits of efficiency can't be better to privacy concerns. If they're giving 40% better anon sets for coinjoin outputs it's impressive. What's worrying ppl is their spying with blockchain analysis companies. When zkSNACKs rejects coinjoins's it's taking away Bitcoin's creative foundation from fungible origins. zkSNACKs can't say they believe in privacy if they're spying on you at the same time. If Wasabi wallet's got other benefits it doesn't help ppl against their blockchain analysis policy. zkSNACKs doesn't have the ability to spy on you. I can't really say the same thing about Unijoin which you are promoting. Unijoin basically plagiarized Wasabi's legal documents for their own terms & conditions but what they didn't copy was the open source and non-custodial aspects. Not only are you paying much higher fees but you also give up custody and have to take their word about not having logs when they have every motive to lie since user data is their only leverage when law enforcement decides to shut them down. |
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