Well, that doesn't surprise me at all.


All the trades and tips Ryan posts here look very convincing. Sadly, it's all part of the play and I didn't see through it. Live and learn.

Isn't it obvious from all I've said so far, that I didn't want to just blindly trade those coins? That I was waiting on what's Ryan's take on them? And that I never got that info. I'm sorry, but are you that stupid or are you just trolling? This was my last reply to you.

And btw. you didn't answer my question about that LTCD rebound you were all supposedly instructed about for the third time.

Thank you itod for your support and Viper1 for sharing your experience. I appreciate it.

I think I already explained that. But one extra explanation for you. As you can see, Ryan only said, he was monitoring those coins. He didn't say anything else about them. Was I supposed to go and buy them? Or wait for a better price? Wasn't the reasoning behind every move the purpose of the membership? Where in Ryan's advert or in his first PM he sent me, does he say that all I will get are names of coins?


You do see this sentence, don't you? You did read in my original post, that I didn't receive any of such information, didn't you? Is that clear enough?

And if you're talking about evading questions, you conveniently forgot to address this:

Look, I'm not here to convince you. I clearly explained what happened and I think I've a right to state my opinion. Hopefully it will be helpful to someone.

Btw. picking on my writing style is just low. As I said, I'm not a native English speaker.

What? What would I gain from this? You mean I threw away 0.5 BTC and went through all of this just to link to some other thread on Bitcointalk? Thread that isn't even selling or promoting anything, just giving out advice.. Man, think!


Well let's hope others will understand. You clearly don't want to. But you could point me out in the PM history I made public, where I was briefed on that LTCD rebound.

Let's start by pointing out, what Ryan says in his advert:

https://i.imgur.com/7Pc5Lai.png

Especially pay attention to the highlighted areas, stating what membership of Ryan's group includes. I liked what Ryan promised, not only that I would be advised what to do, but that I would be active participant, which would also allow me to learn how successful traders operate. Maybe naive of me, but true. I specifically asked about this in my first PM to Ryan:

https://i.imgur.com/Dbd9BSZ.png

Here is what Ryan replied to me:

https://i.imgur.com/Uoj9GAZ.png

Exactly what I wanted to hear. Daily tips on coins, group meets on IRC to discuss "moves", everything is explained and I will learn something new (educational element). Sounds nice? Well the truth is that the IRC channel doesn't exist and I never spoke to any other member. As soon as I paid the membership fee, Ryan sent me a message, that the IRC channel is down and that he's working on setting up a new one. As you can see from the PM history posted down below, at first it was supposed to be up the same day, then at the end of the week/weekend. It would probably be pushed again onto the next week which I haven't paid for so I wouldn't see it's all part of the play. I even suggested other form of real-time communication, but without response.

Absence of an IRC channel was a big bummer for me, but at least first pick arrived:

https://i.imgur.com/CKsJslo.png

Seems like Ryan was artificially controlling the market with a couple of other traders and his bots. So that's how it's done? Quite a disappointment. Nevertheless I stuck with the plan and followed Ryan's directions. There were further PM's exchanged about LTCD (check PM history), but the essence was this: Accumulate above 2k, up to 2.5k and be ready for a lift-off. This was the last PM:

https://i.imgur.com/35fG3eg.png

As you may know, several hours after this message, the price of LTCD plummeted. From 2.2k to 0.8k. By complete luck, I was up early to check my trading position and managed to sell in time, rebuy under 1k and profit from this situation. But had I been following Ryan's advice, I would have been in a great loss. Strangely enough, Ryan posted in this thread about how flawlessly he played this whole event (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765426.msg8882241#msg8882241), yet I received none of that information from him. And he had the courage to tell me later in our conversation, that I profited from LTCD sell-off because of his advice.

As a coincidence, the night before, I read this nice thread from louie6925 about trading altcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=785977.0). Later after that LTCD disaster, the second point from louie's post lead me to an idea, that this could all be orchestrated. What if Ryan told members of his group to buy at certain price range, filled his sell orders that way and then caused a dump to rebuy lower? Seemed only slightly probable at the time, but very probable after I realized what's this all about.

Somewhere during our conversation about LTCD, Ryan sent me this message:

https://i.imgur.com/OSLirgu.png

Great! That's why I signed up and what Ryan advertised in his other thread, I will receive detailed analysis of coins that are going to move. Something similar what Ryan does in this topic, but in advance. Well, sadly for me, I never received such information. All I got, was promises, that this day he will surely send the write-up about the coins.

https://i.imgur.com/oPWE9rR.png

What shocked me though, was that, when I expressed my objections, he told me, how much I could have gained had I traded each coin on my own, completely disregarding what he wrote several times earlier and what he said in his advert -> every move explained / entry/exit points / members briefed exactly what to do and when / strategy for each coin etc.

That's when I had enough and wanted a refund. Sadly Ryan didn't want to return my coins.

To create a full picture of the whole conversation, here is a complete history of my PM's with Ryan, ordered chronologically and divided into two images due to size.

https://i.imgur.com/F6q8KHB.png
https://i.imgur.com/EKcooGe.png

If necessary, I'm prepared to give access to my account to a reputable Sr.+ member to confirm that indeed all these messages are authentic and I didn't omit any.

I'm not a native English speaker, so I can't explain everything as clearly as I would like to, but hopefully the main message is understandable.

This lesson cost me 0.5 BTC and the time to write down this post. I won't get them back, but the least I can do is to warn other people not to make the same mistake as I did.

Judge for yourself, but my advice is clear: Stay away from RyanPumper and others alike and certainly don't pay him/them anything.

John

I don't know how is that possible. Maybe Ryan saw an easy target in me, because I had a "Newbie" member status. I will be posting my reasoning shortly.

John

What a coincidence, that madalo, who's giving you positive reviews here, logged out at almost exact time as you did.



Took you 4s to log out your alter ego in the other browser window?

I like how you took those PM's out of context and omitted the important parts.

Your paranoia about me being part of some group or having some kind of agenda is ridiculous.

If you showed at least a little bit of honesty and did give me a refund like I asked you to, I wouldn't be posting any of this.

You're not an ordinary scammer, I will give you that.

John

Nice try, I see, you were eagerly waiting for my post with a prepared reply. Unfortunately for you, I expected exactly this.

As I said, I will provide more details soon.

To everyone, you might not trust what I say yet, but what is better, wait a while for my post or be scammed?

John

Hi all,

unfortunately, I made the mistake to pay RyanPumper 0.5 BTC to join his "group". It's a pity I have to waste my first post on Bitcointalk like this, but I want to share my experience with everyone.

When time allows me, I will be writing more thoroughly about how he fooled me, but I did want to warn people as soon as possible. Hence this brief post.

I don't know, whether he pulls his scam on every member, but I advise you: Do not send him any BTC.

P.S. If you know a good way how to let as many people as possible know about his foul practices, please send me a PM. His main advertising thread is self-moderated, so I guess every negative post will be promptly deleted.

John