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Anywhere on their site??
If it is a fine print hidden somewhere, or in their terms and conditions or policy of 50 pages instead of boldly in front of you when you are paying, would that be a "hey! Its your fault. They told you"...?
I remember...a) not seeing it and b) actively looking for it after paying thinking stupid me didn't notice but still not seeing it. And no, I did not comb through their site and terms and conditions to search or any indications that I would be had. I expected a legit business to make sure to make such things clear from the git go. The only reason you wouldn't is to scam people in some shape or form and to some extent.
We need to try to establish what site it is first. Was it one of the mixers on this list? https://bitmixlist.comWas it ChipMixer? (Web Archive link) It was last year so it is possible you may have visited that site then. 🎉🎯🏆 I think you got it! Chipmixer. Monkey = chimp = chip. Funny how the brain works  I went back to the thread holydarkness suggested I look at to which I said none of the mixers on it rang a bell and noticed that even though that post was made in 2018, that list was updated just a few days ago. So I figured the mixer I used could have been removed from the list. But I remember going through that list last year when I was looking up the legitimacy of the mixer before using them. It was on that list. So I got on wayback machine, clicked on 2022, May...and Viola! Right there at the beginning of the list. Just looking at the name might not have rang a bell but seeing that banner definitely did (which is what I was hoping for...to be able to see their logo or the site because photographic memory works much better). So yeah...I'm %90 sure that was it! Though I don't know what to do with this discovery now, especially considering they are now defunct. Appreciate it though! 🙏 And holydarkness you got me invested in this way more than I was posting it haha. Thanks for your efforts 🙏 Appreciate it! |
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I emailed them when it happened but they didn't get back to me.
so you emailed them? wouldn't their email address have the name of their mixer? from what I have noticed, all mixer's email addresses that receive complaints, inquiries, etc... usually contain the name of the mixer's name, if you sent them an email I am almost certain you can find out the name of the mixer that you supposedly used last year. I addressed this several comments up. |
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Fair! But the question and point is...WHY WAS THIS NOT CLEARLY STATED BEFOREHAND?! it's not a given like beef is to burgers.
But the question is, how do we know you're telling the truth if you can't even remember the name of the mixer? Maybe you also forgot their terms or didn't even read them before using the service? Try to remember which mixer it was. Have a look at my comment above to Cantsay. It was $7.
That's not important. It could have been $70, or even $700; that's irrelevant.What matters is the minimum amount specified in their terms That's why I didn't include it in the OP. I was answering someone else. Why tell me that? Quote the person who asked it. BTW, how do you multi-quote? Seems to be a a complicated process  |
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It would be better if you pointed out the mixer that “scammed” you. Without that, there is no way of establishing whether the minimum required deposit amount banner or warning was visible or not. I mean, if you were not even keen enough to recall the mixer you used, then there is a high probability you ignored the required minimum warning or worse, you use a phishing site.
Most of the mixers I know here have that minimum warning right before you send your Bitcoins.
If you take a moment go through the comments here, you'd see that I've already addressed all your points |
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Question to you... Let's assume that is true and that it was indeed in the FAQ. My question, to you, is... such vital piece of info, why put it there and not clearly on the page of purchase?
Would it be better if it was more noticeable? Of course it would. That's not my question. Why deflect it? With that being said, if that happened to me, first and foremost I would blame myself for not checking everything thoroughly and seeing it as a lesson, instead claiming that they "stole my coins".
Seems to me that you have a horse in this race. Definitely doesn't seem to be coming from a perspective of someone from my side of the counter. |
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I don't remember it's name. It might have had "monkey" in its name. [...] I emailed them when it happened but they didn't get back to me.
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Let's start from trying to narrowing down the mixer, shall we? Though you don't remember their name, you've emailed them, you should be able to dig their name from your outbox. Can you do that? If someone is using a mixer then they are privacy oriented, and thus would take other precautionary measures to maintain their privacy...one time dedicated email...Tails...etc. Everything was one time and I can't remember them (not that I've memorized them to begin with). I could go through my Linux Live USB and dig up the wallet I used to send the coins and try to trace them through their address (if its even possible) but that's work I'm not willing to put in for $7. If a lawyer contacted me for potential lawsuit however... So yeah, I didn't post this expecting a resolution, but merely out of contempt when i remembered them (when I saw the mixer ad) while trying to ask about the efficacy of mixers Err... if you use everything single time [which, understandable], how did you plan to get notified by them? I assume you hold that address for few days to wait for their response and got nothing? Correct. One time = that time. And that time no longer is. First of all, I believe it's not "monkey", but rather "money", like whirlwind.money? Umm, no that's not it. I'm not %100 sure there is monkey in their name, but somehow my brain is saying there was. do you mind checking this thread and give the opening post a read? See if it ring any bell? Weird. No bells ringing . I don't think it's listed there. I appreciate your detective initiative btw. Honestly not expecting it to go anywhere. I guess the best I expected was to gain some insight from others who've had similar experiences. |
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I don't remember it's name. It might have had "monkey" in its name. [...] I emailed them when it happened but they didn't get back to me.
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Let's start from trying to narrowing down the mixer, shall we? Though you don't remember their name, you've emailed them, you should be able to dig their name from your outbox. Can you do that? If someone is using a mixer then they are privacy oriented, and thus would take other precautionary measures to maintain their privacy...one time dedicated email...Tails...etc. Everything was one time and I can't remember them (not that I've memorized them to begin with). I could go through my Linux Live USB that has since been inactive and dig up the wallet I used to send the coins and try to trace them through their address (if its even possible) but that's work I'm not willing to put in for $7. If a lawyer contacted me for potential lawsuit however... So yeah, I didn't post this expecting a resolution, but merely out of contempt when i remembered them (when I saw the mixer ad) while trying to ask about the efficacy of mixers |
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Mixers have minimum amount of coins that they can mix. If you do not send up to that minimum amount for mixing, it would be considered as donation.
The minimum deposit can be 0.002 BTC.
Can you let us know the amount of the coin that you sent for mixing, and the name of the mixer?
He even contacted them regarding his issue and he was told his deposit was not up to the minimum required amount. Not exactly. They didn't contact me back. It was a message that appeared after paying saying see ya sucka. Obviously not in that verbiage but might as well have been.
Anywhere on their site??
If it is a fine print hidden somewhere, or in their terms and conditions or policy of 50 pages instead of boldly in front of you when you are paying, would that be a "hey! Its your fault. They told you"...? They usually have it in FAQ section and not buried somewhere in TOS, written in small letters. Question to you... Let's assume that is true and that it was indeed in the FAQ. My question, to you, is... such vital piece of info, why put it there and not clearly on the page of purchase? |
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But they didn't say that anywhere BEFORE sending my coins. Are you absolutely sure that they didn't mention anywhere on the site what's the minimum amount that are willing to mix? Somehow I doubt that. Anywhere on their site?? If it is a fine print hidden somewhere, or in their terms and conditions or policy of 50 pages instead of boldly in front of you when you are paying, would that be a "hey! Its your fault. They told you"...? I remember...a) not seeing it and b) actively looking for it after paying thinking stupid me didn't notice but still not seeing it. And no, I did not comb through their site and terms and conditions to search or any indications that I would be had. I expected a legit business to make sure to make such things clear from the git go. The only reason you wouldn't is to scam people in some shape or form and to some extent. |
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Mixers have minimum amount of coins that they can mix. If you do not send up to that minimum amount for mixing, it would be considered as donation.
The minimum deposit can be 0.002 BTC.
Let us know the amount of the coin that you sent for mixing, and the name of the mixer.
Fair! But the question and point is...WHY WAS THIS NOT CLEARLY STATED BEFOREHAND?! it's not a given like beef is to burgers. Have a look at my comment above to Cantsay. It was $7. |
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Does the mixer you used not have a name? Moved your post to scam accusation board and make a good thread there because right now your post is good as nothing, no name, no proof that you actually sent a coin to the mixer, no proof that your coin actually met the minimum amount that can be mixed… If you want good response and possibly solution to your issue then do the needful by editing and adding the necessary information. Edit 2: [b][color=black]What happened:: [/color][/b]
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[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b] This is the proper format you’re supposed to use. I don't remember it's name. It might have had "monkey" in its name. It's not the one being advertised now (or maybe it still is but it is not appearing to me). I'm sure there aren't hundreds of mixers that advertised here so if you or anyone can list the ones that advertised here, I am certain seeing the name again would ring a bell. This was last year. The amount they took was $7 worth at the time. I remember I was going make a post at the time but was procrastinating because of the effort I had to put in into making a thorough post (because I was really pissed at the time and I wanted to make a really good post) but obviously I never got to it. I emailed them when it happened but they didn't get back to me. Right now I was looking into using a mixer again and while posting my last post I realized there is another mixer being advertised here. I was going to make a post titled "Are mixers %100 effective?"...my footnote of this post...but then my previous experience came back to me so the title and post changed. I'm also certain I am not the only one this happened to so I guess the purpose of this post is just to put it out there and see what others experiences were, if they manages to get their money back, how, what happened to that site...etc. |
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I used the coin mixer that is advertised here (the ads that appear below posts). I sent them my coins to mix and then they told me the coins I sent were not enough and that there is a certain minimum amount required to use their service. But they didn't say that anywhere BEFORE sending my coins. They happily accepted them AND THEN tell me about this requirement. So OK, give me back my coins then, but nope! They kept it!
This place being popular I just stupidly trusted them thinking since they are allowed to advertise here that they are somehow vetted by this site. But stupid me don't even know if this site itself is clean.
Are mixers %100 effective anyway??
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Going by what the first comment has said, you have different options, which is either to pay the high fee, create a channel on the Lightening Network, or wait for the transaction fee to drop. But I have a suggestion for you, and before then, there's a question you have to answer. Is the bitcoin in your wallet the only fund you have in your name right now? Don't you have some cash at hand?in your safe or in the bank? If you have some money on you, then you can as well convert some fiat into any cryptocurrency that the shop is accepting apart from Bitcoin. For example, if the online shop is accepting doge coins, convert some of your local currency to doge, then go ahead and buy your hat.
Buying new coins is a bigger headache than purchasing the hat. If it was as simple as going to the convenience store and buying whatever coins you want as simple as it is buying gift cards (marked up reasonably) then this post wouldn't have existed. |
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Nothing i'm afraid... If you don't have an already open lightning channel and you don't have any altcoins you can use, the only "real" sollution is to pay the large fee.
Does Ethereum have the same transaction fees? Is there a mempool.space type of site to check the current trend on Ethereum ? |
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I have btc on Electrum mobile wallet.
I want to buy a hat using crypto from an online vendor.
Vendor accepts several crypto currencies.
It's a one time purchase.
I don't want to spent more than 20 cents in transaction fees.
I want the transaction confirmed within a couple of hours.
What are my options?
I thought of Lightning but that is still going to cost me a lot in transaction fees when opening a channel. And since this is a one time purchase, it defeats its purpose because, well, might as well just directly purchase using btc.
So...what can I do?
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I want to buy a hat from merchant A for 0.0001 btc. I head over to my Electrum Android mobile wallet and open a Lightning channel for the first time. What's the minimum amount of btc I should use to open this channel? I suppose it should be the cost of the hat (0.0001 btc) + the mining fees, correct? If so, then at current mining fees of 0.0001088 btc, the transaction fees will be higher than the price of the hat.
The default minimum changes with different wallets and nodes AFAIK, but you should have enough to open the channel and cover the air of what you will want to pay for and also have left over to cover the tx fees when you want to close the channel. You should not just open a channel for one small transaction as you highlighted here. But let's say I go ahead and open the channel anyway, and I do so for 0.0002088 (0.0001 cost of the hat + 0.0001088 mining fees to open the channel). I then send 0.0001088 to merchant A.
1 month later, I want to purchase a bracelet from the same merchant, would I have to open another channel?
No. You should open the channel with enough bitcoins to cover other small transaction you will make over the next couple of months. What if I wanted to purchase from a different merchant this time; merchant B? Do I have to open a new channel? What if I had opened a channel for 0.0004 btc the first time with merchant A (which means I have a balance of 0.0001922), and the bracelet I now want to purchase from merchant B is for 0.0001922, would it be possible to make this purchase? No? Why not?
No you don't have to open a new channel. Yes you will be able to pay for the bracelet, just remember to factor in the fees when you want to close the channel. So basically Lightning is impractical for a small one time purchase, which makes switching over to cryptocurrency note expensive than dealing with fiat  |
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So I want to give Lightning a shot to avoid the crazy transaction fees, but wouldn't I still have to pay the same crazy transaction fees anyway when opening a channel in order to make a Lightning payment?
I get that it is only a one time thing, but how does that work exactly if I want to make a payment through Lightning later...to a different merchant.
For example...
I want to buy a hat from merchant A for 0.0001 btc. I head over to my Electrum Android mobile wallet and open a Lightning channel for the first time. What's the minimum amount of btc I should use to open this channel? I suppose it should be the cost of the hat (0.0001 btc) + the mining fees, correct? If so, then at current mining fees of 0.0001088 btc, the transaction fees will be higher than the price of the hat.
But let's say I go ahead and open the channel anyway, and I do so for 0.0002088 (0.0001 cost of the hat + 0.0001088 mining fees to open the channel). I then send 0.0001088 to merchant A.
1 month later, I want to purchase a bracelet from the same merchant, would I have to open another channel?
What if I wanted to purchase from a different merchant this time; merchant B? Do I have to open a new channel? What if I had opened a channel for 0.0004 btc the first time with merchant A (which means I have a balance of 0.0001922), and the bracelet I now want to purchase from merchant B is for 0.0001922, would it be possible to make this purchase? No? Why not?
Appreciate clarity on this!
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ETA starts out at %12 to open a channel?? Wth! Doesn't that defeat the purpose of using Lightning? The reason I'm using it is because I don't want to pay the inflated btc fees (thought that was the point of using Lightning, to save on transaction fees). At %12 I could just straight pay with btc. What am I missing? I know BitMaxz has already answered your query that you have to pay the fee using LN too but I think he forgot to mention that it is one time only. You have to pay that fee one time and after that your channel will remain open and you can benefit from the low fee of LN (Lightning network). I hope BitMaxz won't mind my reply. I was just making things more clear for the OP as he/she looks frustrated with the BTC system to make transactions. And you are right OP, I also use Mobile electrum wallet, and on the internet, most of the tutorials are only of the desktop version and if there is any video of the mobile version then it is so old and is of no help. I also searched a lot to set up a Lightning network and to be honest I still did not set up one because I rarely make transactions, maybe that's why. But I will once the congestion will decrease. What do you mean by one time only? So if open a channel right now by let's say $100 worth of btc and I buy something for that 100, and then later in the future I want to buy something else for $100 worth of btc using Lightning from a different merchant I don't have to open a channel? What about from the sane merchant? |
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ETA starts out at %12 to open a channel?? Wth! Doesn't that defeat the purpose of using Lightning? The reason I'm using it is because I don't want to pay the inflated btc fees (thought that was the point of using Lightning, to save on transaction fees). At %12 I could just straight pay with btc. What am I missing? https://i.postimg.cc/Gtk38ch9/image1455hgg66g.jpg |
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