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1  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: things just don't add up on: August 08, 2014, 07:03:36 PM
things still don't add up, acording to BLOCKCHAIN  pool statistics BTC GUILD HAS 5% OF HASHING POWER AND SO DOES SLUSH now comes the big question , up to a couple a days more or less slush had only 3% and thier hashing power hasn't varied much so now we are picking up a higher market share with the same hashing power? and thus more BLOCKS , less blocks for btcguild with doble hashing and and same 5%? acording to them, GhashiO has gone down and has the same or more hashing power? so what conclusions can be made if any?, or are thier figures way off the ball park

When Blockchain tells you what the hashing power share of each pool is, it is based on the rate of blocks found.  When your pool tells you it's own hash rate, it is based on the hash rate at which shares are submitted.  Therefore discrepancies will exist based on pool luck.  When your pool get's really lucky it will look like their hash rate is higher than it really is, and when it is unlucky, blockchain will make it appear the hash rate has dropped even if it has not.
2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: RX 1000AE PSU + 2 Antminer S3? on: August 07, 2014, 12:10:01 PM
I procurred an RX 1000AE for my Antminer S3 because I plan to expand to another miner...probably an S3. There is a PCI-E cable that is already dangling out the supply. It splits into two PCI-e 6+2 connectors. Technically is that just one PCI-E 6+2 line? For safety's sake I plugged both in and then plugged two more into another side from what I believe is the "modular" 8 pin - 6+2 pin cable.

My question is, did I buy the right power supply to power two S3s? Does the modular PCI-E 6+2 with 1 8 pin connector to two 6+2 connectors count as a 2 connectors for yet another module?

Unfortunately that PSU is not ideal, and here's why:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4CP1GG1829

Quote
•Active PFC, Quad +12v Rails;

Ideally, a single rail is preferred for powering miners.  Now you have to make sure you get each blade of each miner on it's own separate rail.  That seems difficult, as you have 6xPCI-E connectors, and from what you said and the pictures, it looks like it's 3 cables with two connectors per cable.  So that indicates that the CPU 4+4 and/or CPU 8pin connectors are *probably* on the 4th rail.  And I don't know if anyone makes adapters for those plugs, so you might have to find some way to get PCI-E connectors on those cables.

On the other hand, it does say each 12v rail is capable of 36A, and the total 12v power available is 912W.  That *should* mean  you can run an entire miner (both blades) from a single rail.  12*36 = 432W max.  The only problem is that means you're running it off of a single cable, but if your cables are quality enough, you might just be OK.  Just check them closely over the first few hours and make sure they don't get hot.  And don't overclock any miner that doesn't have all 4 PCI-E's attached (which would mean you'll be on two separate rails anyway).

With all of the built in protection that PSU has, and keeping an eye out to make sure the cables don't get hot, you should be fine.  But in the future, look for single rail PSU's.
3  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Ordered two Antminer S3 from Bitmain... Only got one? on: August 07, 2014, 11:38:09 AM
I ordered two Antminer S3's from Bitmain and paid for them (1.28 btc).  I checked the status and it showed "shipped," with a tracking number.  The package was delivered today, but it only had one miner.  I was just assuming I would be getting both and when I look under "My Account" on the Bitmain webpage, it only shows "shipped," with no mention of another shipment. 

Is this normal?  Should I be expecting a second package? 

Check your tracking # with your shipper.  It should be two packages, one shipment.  UPS actually assigns 3 different tracking numbers for parent and two children.  Regardless, most likely one package was lost and your shipper screwed up.  You should contact them and/or Bitmain ASAP.
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement: Bitmain launches AntMiner solution, 0.68 J/GH on chip on: August 06, 2014, 08:13:09 PM
@allcoinminer, No haven't gone that far. While trying the different controller cables and power I did feel the heatsink and no matter what I tried the right hand blade did not get warm.

Right hand side with the ethernet port facing you.
Things I've tried

  • Tried 5 different CX750 power supplies
  • Updated to latest firmware (Bitmain support said do this)
  • Removed and refitted cables from controller to blades
  • Swapped the 2 cables from controller to blades round
  • Used combinations of all 4 6 pin power sockets, 2 front, 2 rear and other combinations

Nothing I have tried has worked. Bitmain suggested the firmware update and I've had no other replies from them Sad

Not sure how removing the heatsinks and replacing the paste is going to help?

Any help appreciated Smiley

When you swapped the cables from the controller blade, did the miner status change which chain showed to be hashing?  Did you also, at that time, confirm that the left hand side continued to warm while the right hand stayed cool?

If so, sounds like a bad blade, and I hope Bitmain would RMA just that blade, and allow you to at least keep the 200GH you do have mining.
5  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How does CEX.io split GH\s ? on: August 06, 2014, 08:04:42 PM
At the end of the day, all pools pay BTC based on a formula used to calculate which and how many shares each user "owns" and what, in BTC, each of those shares is valued at.  I would assume since CEX operates the hardware, it is easier for them to just pay out an equal amout of BTC per GH that each user "owns".  Assigning actual hardware based variability by user would be pointless.
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: August 06, 2014, 07:13:41 PM
Does anyone happen to know what the wattage usage is of the S3 at each frequency?  I'd like to put together a web form that takes the current Bitcoin price and the price you pay for electricity and then figures out what frequency would be best in terms of efficiency.  I could hook the units up to a watt meter and figure this out myself, but was curious if anyone had already done it and can save me the trouble?  (Or if there is a defined ratio, I could use that as well I guess.)

I'll make the site public and then potentially add other miners to it if they offer the same ability to change wattage/frequency and I have access to the numbers.   Maybe I'll call it Intelihash.   Haha...



While I applaud your idea, and willingness to share with the community, you still have more to consider.

The problem is, there are other variables.  PSU quality/80Plus rating, 120v vs 240v, even the quality of power from your power company has some effect on the # of watts at the wall.  Not to mention, these S3's tend to vary all over the +/-5% manufacturer's acceptable tolerance range.  Much more so than the old S1's anyway.

But here, I'll share what I have.  2xB1 S3's clocked at 225mhz averaging 455GH each on a single EVGA 1300G2 (80Plus Gold) pulled about 720W from the wall.  Right in line with what most people are reporting for 225mhz on gold rated PSU's.
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: August 06, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
As mentioned previously in this thread (although not quoted), those compose of perhaps 10% of the price, or approximately $40. Why wait around or hang your hopes on getting an upgrade kit to save $40? Not to mention an old S1 is worth about $150 or so on the open market, and you lose the ability to sell it if you upgrade.

That's your estimate.  But why do you think that?  Shipping alone must be non-negligible, as Bitmain ships super-fast from China.  4xS3 Blades, could easily fit in a single S3 sized box and weigh considerably less.

Regardless, the real evidence is, Bitmain keeps saying they are going to do it.  What reason could they possibly have to tell potential customers that an upgrade is coming if it is not economical for them to do so.  Surely they don't want to prevent people from ordering entire S3's if they aren't planning to sell the upgrade.  Because it is very obvious that some people who would otherwise purchase S3's are waiting for upgrade kits.
8  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: IS GHASH.IO Cheating Miners? Paying LESS THAN 50% of expected? on: August 06, 2014, 06:43:00 PM
While I agree you should not make rash decisions and jump out of your pool based on your payout dipping due to variance.  There does seem to be some suspicious patterns occuring.

Mining Pools on the other hand typically calculate their hash rate based on the number of shares turned in.  For example: https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=pool_stats and http://eligius.st/~gateway/stats/recent-blocks

Interestingly both of those pools have had an increase of their hash rate, and a drop in pool luck over the same time frame.

<TinFoilHatOn: ConspiracyTheory>

What if a major pool, or private miner (Ghash, CoinTerra, etc), mined with half of their hardware on a public pool but executed a withholding attack on the pool?  They would collect BTC rewards for the other blocks found by the public pool, but withhold all blocks found and transfer thier BTC rewards to their own pool.  This would make the public pool's luck look bad, and their own pool luck look good. 

They could even delay the block release until a time when their own pool luck was bad, or the public pool's luck was good, to prevent it from looking too obvious.  This delay would cause the entire combined network hash speed to appear much lower than it actually is, at least until they release the found blocks.  They would only need to release them before the difficulty increased when the blocks might become invalid.

</TinFoilHatOn: ConspiracyTheory>


Disclaimer: I have done no research beyond the links listed above, and this is pure speculation.

Now that I see Ghash is also paying out less than expected I have to go "hmmm"...and do more research.

http://www.bitcoincharts.com/
Current network speed (calculated by rate of blocks turned in): 147.9PH

https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=pool_stats
BTCGuild reported speed (calculated by rate of shares hashed): 12.0PH

http://blockchain.info/pools
BTCGuild reported share of total network (calculated by rate of blocks turned in): 7%

149.9 * .07 = 10.4PH = 12PH - 1.6PH missing blocks

Now of course this can be explained by bad luck, but on how many pools can this bad luck occur.

Also note that the share of network blocks turned in is 9% for two individual unidentified addresses, and 12% completely unknown to blockchain.info.

Obviously there are private players out there, but are they 21% of the actual hashing capacity?

Last link: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-10k.png

A lot of blocks sure are being turned in now that we're in the last 300 blocks before the difficulty change.


9  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: No ROI buying S3 and without electricity FEE ?¿??¿?¿? on: August 06, 2014, 06:16:03 PM
With the currently available hardware, there is no possible way difficulty adjustments could be 20% for 6 months.  At that rate, even BitFury, MegabigPower, and CoinTerra would not be able to operate their gear at a profit.  Plus, at that rate they'd have to sell more and more BTC to cover operating/electricity costs, causing BTC price to tank, and making even more hardware unprofitable.  The difficulty is self adjusting, and if it got out of control like that, it could go down.

Now, when <20nm ASICS start joining the network at >5GH / Watt, things could accelerate again.
10  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Rewards stopped showing in my account on: August 06, 2014, 06:11:39 PM
Hello Chaps
I have only just started mining and this may be nothing. I have been mining with 2 R-Box units using CG miner for a week with no problems, bitcoin was dribbling into my account. I obtained one of the new S3 units yesterday and set that up fine (I think) it shows up in my account and is hashing away nicely also the bitcoin rate went up. However I haven't seen any new rewards show up all day and my pending balance is now zero.
Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in anticipation.


What pool, and what is the pool reporting about your mining / payout statictics?
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive SpondooliesTech SP30 Setup [HD] on: August 06, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
@marvell1

That is a misconception.

What matters is $/GH and operational costs aka $/GH/m.

Increasing the hashrate lowers $/GH and can lead to a faster ROI, especially if your $/GH/m is low (aka 5ct/kW/h including hosting).

hmm thanks for the information I might have to rethink things then

Just look at the difference between your numbers:
Quote from: Marvell1
at 4.1 TH at 2600WATT actually running the numbers provides a better hash/Watt number than 4.5 TH at 2900WATT

you gain 400GH @ an extra cost of 300W.  That's still only 0.75W/GH, which, unless you have some crazy expensive electricity/hosting rates, is worth mining for a long time to come.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: August 06, 2014, 05:40:39 PM
What discount? And why would Bitmain charge less for blades use in an S1 upgrade vs an S3 purchase?

Maybe the cost of frame, controller, and shipping weight/volume is not negligable?
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive SpondooliesTech SP30 Setup [HD] on: August 06, 2014, 05:37:30 PM
I was planning on using two separate outlets on different breakers thats not a problem running the numbers honestly running an SP30 at 4.1 TH at 2600WATT actually

 running the numbers provides a better hash/Watt number than 4.5 TH at 2900WATT, not sure what all the big deal with maxizing the hash ratio to all ends is.  Hash/Watt

is what matters in the end.

If you already have 2 circuits installed, then just buy the cables with the correct ends, and you should be good to go.  Honestly though, even at 3kW, you're not to go over 12-13A @240v, which is perfectly safe on a 20A circuit.

Find the plug that matches your recepticles:

http://smile.amazon.com/SF-Cable-NEMA-L6-20P-250V/dp/B009ZERV72

http://smile.amazon.com/6-20P-Power-Cord-Adapter-Foot/dp/B00H7JR636/

This one already has 2xC13, so you'd be good to go.
http://smile.amazon.com/L6-30P-C13-Splitter-Power-Cable/dp/B00BGAEBNU/

And of course you can easily get C13-C14 extension cables wherever (online...Don't expect to find them at Ace Hardware).  Though I would be sure to get those cables rated for 250v & at least 15-20A.

As to the W/Hash ratio, that is what matters "in the end" only so much as you are talking end of life of your hardware.  As RoadStress said after the difficulty is >70B.  Until then, maximize your hash rate as much as you safely can.
14  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Has Anyone Been Successful Mining BitCoins? If So, What Have You Done? on: August 06, 2014, 04:41:34 PM
CPU mining back in 2010: profitable (in retrospect), investments were zero and only cost was electricity
GPU mining in 2010/2011: hugely profitable in the beginning, was mining directly with 2 AMD gaming cards i had, so again no investments and only cost was electricity
ASIC mining in 2014: with Antminer S1: marginally profitable (0.5 BTC per miner after electricity costs)

So yes I made money, but only because I was lucky to stumble upon bitcoin in the very beginning and invested 2 months CPU and 3 months GPU time (instead of running BOINC).
At this date I do not see how you can make money mining unless you design/produce/sell a nextgen mining asic or scale up in size (>100k€ in mining equipment).

I have almost the exact same story.  Interestingly enough, most likely the electricity cost of running those GPU's in 2010/2011 could have been better invested in buying and holding bitcoin.  You could buy a BTC for $6 pretty easy back then.  My huge profit from GPU mining is mostly just from holding the BTC for that long.  Of course half of my gains got goxxed, because I wasn't paying attention.   Undecided  But at least it was only half  Cool
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain Antminer S3 Setup [HD] on: August 06, 2014, 04:31:18 PM
Great guide, thanks Dogie.

The btcguild site says to use:
stratum.btcguild.com:3333 (which would equate to http://stratum.btcguild.com:3333)

Your guide says to use:
stratum+tcp://stratum.btcguild.com:3333

Can you help us lesser experienced miners to know the reason for using "stratum+tcp://stratum.btcguild.com:3333"?

Also, The wifi works on my units, even with no antenna they're picking up my home wireless network. I have some laptop wireless antennas kicking around the workbench, I'm going to experiment and stick one on ... i'll update later.

Cheers.

For My S3's on the miner config page, I just use: stratum.btcguild.com:3333
16  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive SpondooliesTech SP30 Setup [HD] on: August 06, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
thanks for the guide

The power cord you recommend  :
SF Cable, 10ft 16 AWG Universal Power Cord - IEC320 C13 to NEMA 5-15P SJT 13A

http://www.sfcable.com/P7C16-10.html


this looks like a regular PC power supply power cord , comes standard with my 1300Watt PSUs ? 
is'nt this only for 110v?


what cord would be needed to run this miner off a 200-240 Amp receptable ? would you need a PDU ?



You'd need a cord that goes from whatever kind of recepticle you have (6-20p L6-20p or L6-30p would be common but not the only options) to C13.  However since it has two PSU's, you'd need a splitter, which might be difficult to find with enough amp rating, or you'd need a PDU.
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S3 Discussion and Support Thread. on: August 06, 2014, 02:08:08 PM
Has anyone found solution to the goofy RPM readings?

Out of 8 units I have two units reading off the charts... Fans are running normal speed, firmware shows them as launching rockets.

Batch 4 - July 21 Firmware
2640 2400
2640 2340
2880 2580
2820 2400

Batch 5 - July 28 Firmware
2580 2400
5940 7680 <- ?
2880 2820
7620 2580 <- ?

LOL @ "launching rockets"

I haven't noticed anything on my B1's (July 21 Firmware), but I don't know if I would have noticed.  I'll keep an eye on them and my B5's after they arrive tomorrow, and let you know if I see anything.
18  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Surface pro 2 and antminer s3 setup on: August 06, 2014, 02:05:58 PM

I suggest using static IP's.  Set it to something you know.  It is a lot easier in long run to have static IP's if you have multiple miners.

Also a good idea, as it's what I have done with my own 4 miners.  Of course it does take a certain amount of understanding about the details of his own local network to get everything right.
19  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: List of Mining Rig Spec on: August 06, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
I like the list also...Great startup!

I would would like to see availability details and pricing, where available.

Thanks!
20  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Surface pro 2 and antminer s3 setup on: August 06, 2014, 12:13:02 PM
well I got it working...for a minute. Soon as I flipped it to DHCP protocol it just sat there. now I can't even access the damn thing. it's a brick Sad

Did a factory reset. Went in. Changed to DHCP, clicked change protocol. Worked fine. Clicked save/apply per Doge's guide and it freezes again.

The problem seems to be whenever I hit "Save and Apply". I changed to DHCP, clicked "change protocol" and then left. I set up my mining addresses and tried save/apply and it all froze again.

I get stuck at LuCI - Lua Configuration Interface. Anyone have any idea what is happening?

When you change it to DHCP the S3 is getting a new IP address from your DHCP server (router).  That means you need to figure out what that IP address is by logging into your router and seeing what IP was assigned.  Would need to know more about your network to help more.
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