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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP: Post Quantum Fork Treasury for Global Public Benefit on: August 13, 2025, 11:17:40 AM
IMO this is worse than doing nothing or freezing all vulnerable UTXO.

Why?




1. How do you define wallet when sending Bitcoin only require you to specify destination address?
2. How do you link wallet with real person in non-centralized way? In addition, how much privacy would be harmed in the linking process?

1. Why would we need to define what a wallet is? We only need to make sure that there is no multi-voting by 1 participant. There are many ways this can be achieved and at this stage, it doesn't really make much sense timewise to get into the nitty gritty without consensus on the idea itself.
2. Developments over the last 5 years have literally made it impossible to access ones bitcoin wealth without some form of KYC. All exchanges now operate. It is not pre 2020s. The times have fundamentally changed. Bitcoin is NOT a privacy coin. The argument could be made that it started as one. It certainly isn't now.



Solving Quantums with the body that would basically centralize the system is not a way out.

I am also interested in how the Op would define who is "unique" to vote or not without KYC, only by wallets alone..

I'm not suggesting no KYC. KYC is essential in a democracy. Bitcoin is priced as it is today, precisely because KYC has spread throughout the system.


There can never be a Bitcoin treasury. Decentralized governance is a centralized scam. Don't propose this altcoin crap here.

Sorry, what? I'm talking about Bitcoin here. Not an altcoin.

It is a terrible proposal by someone who has been pigging out on altcoin lies.
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Of course it is, you understand it thankfully. This is the kind of bullshit that is celebrated in the altcoin world. We don't do that in Bitcoin. 

I'm sorry, but you Satofan44, are most definitely not the arbiter of what the bitcoin community thinks.
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You, your proposal, and your KYC can all beautifully fuck off. Always say NO to any KYC.
You might as well promote BCH or Monero, as you seem to be stuck in the past.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP: Post Quantum Fork Treasury for Global Public Benefit on: August 11, 2025, 09:12:40 AM
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The biggest issue we are having with such proposals is that
Reassigning breaks the principle of absolute ownership and undermine such protocol.
Not at all, it would be from wallets that are verifiably lost thus ownership must therefore have ceased.

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Who defines the Multisig participants? How can centralization be prevented?
Recall laws in man's hand can be misuse unlike numbers and codes.
Democracy. It is the very foundation of our society, the building blocks of the free world. One wallet, one vote. (Obviously wallets must be linked to a real person, but this is a technical problem which is pretty much solved today). Centralisation wouldn't be possible due to the democratic principle. Also, side note, numbers and codes can most certainly be misused.

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About the abandoned term? What year would count as abandoned?
There would be a deadline to move coins. Coins that are not moved by that time would be classified as either lost or unwanted. No one loses out.

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This would really help in utilising the lost coins but the ones championing it is an issue in my opinion.
Let's not rule out the risk of paper Bitcoin (rehypothcation).
Where would the hypothecation be?



All I can hear from op's post is centralization... Yes we have to be aware about the possibility of the quantum era, but this isn't a solution honestly. It's more like giving millions of keys to a centralised body and calling it a cure to the quantum Madness. Bitcoin is meant to stay decentralised no matter the changes that may take place to prevent the quantum threat..

It's not supposed to be a solution to the quantum era. This is taking advantage of the likely requirement that will occur which is that everyone who currently has bitcoin will be required to move their wallets to quantum resistant wallets or something along those lines. If that is the case, to miss out on the potential for utilising such vast amounts of capital for the collective good seems a wasted opportunity.

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Obviously this would be a major concern because we have so many holders on the look up for BTC. They literally have not even touched a penny since they accumulated them till date.. do we they call them abandoned? Yes many might have lost their keys or the owners or those coins long gone but,  that doesn't determine the fact that it makes the whole concept of BTC less decentralised and more of centralised...

As I mentioned above, these would be verifiably lost. There would be a deadline to move coins. Coins that are not moved by that time would be classified as either lost or unwanted. I don't see how this makes BTC any less decentralised. If anything, it does the opposite.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BIP: Post Quantum Fork Treasury for Global Public Benefit on: July 08, 2025, 08:06:31 AM
What a strange response. I hope that's not the quality of discussion on this forum.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in the next decade on: July 07, 2025, 10:48:36 AM
Really enjoying the perspectives here on where Bitcoin could be heading.

One angle I’ve been thinking about is what might happen after the post-quantum bitcoin 'fork'. Specifically, what happens to all the BTC that’s been untouched for decades?

Idea: what if, at that point, unspent and likely abandoned BTC were redirected into a shared treasury? That treasury could be governed by the Bitcoin community using multisig or delegated voting, and used to fund global public goods or Bitcoin ecosystem development — without ever selling the BTC, just using it as collateral for loans via DeFi.

The idea would aim to:
  • Reclaim long-lost BTC at the point of a major existential shift
  • Enable democratic treasury management
  • Avoid price suppression by not selling the BTC
  • Respect private property by only targeting coins clearly abandoned under post-quantum risk

I know it’s pretty radical, but in thinking about Bitcoin's role in the next 10–20 years, especially if we face disruptive tech like quantum computing, I wonder if there’s room for ideas like this.

Would love to hear what others think — especially the objections.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BIP: Post Quantum Fork Treasury for Global Public Benefit on: July 07, 2025, 10:42:19 AM
Dear Bitcoin Community,

I’d like to open a discussion around a potential BIP post-quantum protected Bitcoin:

All unspent BTC at the time of a future “quantum fork” would be redirected to a shared treasury address. This treasury would be governed democratically via multisig by the Bitcoin community and used for global public benefit and for the promotion of Bitcoin (the first would achieve the second by default).

Key principles:

  • Unused BTC (presumably lost or inactive) would be reclaimed at the fork event.
  • Treasury governance would use multisig or delegated voting mechanisms to enable community input.
  • Economic neutrality is preserved — no selling of BTC; instead, DeFi-based loans against the holdings would be used to fund projects.
  • Respects private property — only affects coins demonstrably abandoned under post-quantum threat conditions.

The intent is to future-proof Bitcoin by ensuring dormant capital isn’t permanently lost and instead serves humanity — while carefully avoiding any inflationary or price-suppressive effects.

I’m aware this is a radical concept and touches deep assumptions around ownership, forks, and governance. I’m sharing here to start an open discussion and see if there is interest in drafting a formal BIP.

Feedback very welcome.

Best regards,
Jason
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