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Have been trying to reach out to Noah via telegram for days without a response.
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I’d like to clear up the air regarding this case. After speaking with Shuffle directly, they presented clear evidence that the bet in question was indeed fixed. I now understand that my earlier assumptions were incorrect.
For context, I’ve been using an AI-based bet tracker to monitor bets from winning punters across multiple sites and tailed their action. While using such a tool is completely legal, it seems it picked up a fixed bet, which led to the confusion.
I want to apologize to Shuffle for any false accusations. That was not my intention, and I take responsibility for jumping the gun.
That said, I do believe the situation could have been handled with a bit more professionalism and communication early on. Still, I appreciate them taking the time to clear things up.
Lesson learned on my end. Appreciate everyone’s understanding.
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I know for a fact that you can buy the support of a 'DT' - I know this because since the flag has been raised, I have had multiple people reaching out offering to remove it for $10k or thereabouts. If that's all it takes to temporarily ruin the reputation of a platform that takes so much pride in being a safe place to play, then I don't think we want to continue being meaningfully involved in this forum.
The DefaultTrust system is older than Shuffle.com. I don’t have the budget, nor can I afford to pay a five-figure fee just to recover $34,000. I believe it’s only fair to publicly disclose the usernames of DefaultTrust members who offered their services in exchange for money to you. All I did was post in the "Request Support for Flag" thread and present the facts—along with evidence—to any members who requested it. Those in the fixing world know that there are some fixed bets which are characterised as '100% clean', meaning that providers will not raise flags. N8snathan was told that this bet was 100% clean, which is why he's fighting it so hard and is obviously convinced we have no proof that it was a fix. Unfortunately for him, we do have proof. I'm deciding on the best way of getting that to you all.
Make sure this so-called proof is not a doctored screenshot with no timestamps. Preferrably a screen recording from a mobile device. Screenshots from Web Telegram HTML version, could be edited/faked within 2min using inspect element. Please cite your source as well. Thank You. If I find your proof convincing enough. I'm going to accept my fault and take down the flag myself. |
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- N8snathan has never bet on Ukrainian football, or any football that is not Tier-1; generally he bets on tennis, and occasionally Tier-1 football (EPL)
Shuffle deserve an award for contradicting themselves with every word they speak. I just found this old message from their sports head David where he says I bet random games including third world soccer. David also calls all my action from last September legit.  |
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This isn’t because of anything Shuffle has done—it’s the result of retaliation from sports scammers we’ve been cracking down on.
A flag does not arise from a newbie like me making a scam accusation. It arises from multiple trusted users on the forum also supporting the flag after viewing the relevant evidence. Instead of solving the issue at hand Shuffle keeps trying to retaliate with personal attacks and leaking private messages. The evidence is there for everyone to see and in case any trusted member wants to have a look. I can provide the evidence privately too. Stay vigilant when betting sports on Shuffle guys! |
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Noah asked for a screen-recording from me, but none of the Shuffle staff have viewed the screen-recording I've sent; in the past 24 hours.
I am not going to be responding or reacting further to any replies from them here. They can reach me privately and I'm sure they know how to.
My wife is pretty mad already, and she scares me more than anything Noah can put me through.
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I am not impressed with the Shuffle owner blocking the account of the OP because he had to pay a debt that was between them playing poker privately (not even on the Shuffle website). It seems in order to blackmail the OP, it Noah even blocked the account of the OPs friend. If true, this is completely unacceptable conduct.
This is fine, past is past. I'd rather focus on the only thing that matters currently. The legitimacy of the last bet I've placed. |
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Brought out of context, I was reporting being approached to David and spinning this to make me look like I was part of this instead is in very bad faith. Sets a precedent that, it is better to stay silent than report being approached by such individuals. If you can send through a video of you accessing the wallet that the deposit came from, starting with 4BiZx4, that will resolve one of the core issues we have. I was forwarded the video you sent, it shows you sending money to that wallet but does not show ownership of the wallet itself, which is important - when requested for proof of the actual wallet itself, this is the response we received: https://files.catbox.moe/dmrmy9.pngThanks It can be provided now that it has come to this. In the message I also clearly state that I can sign a message or send a test transaction. After this message Shuffle completely ceased communication with me while I tried to get in contact multiple times. |
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For the time being though OP, NateShaw, mind to confirm their narrative that you had a prior situation with them back in February? A confirmation or denial about this will be much appreciated as it'll help me piece the puzzle.
Again an attempt to dodge the question at hand by them using what-aboutism. That situation has nothing to do with the current bet. In fact During the last one month, I've helped them spot bad actors on Shuffle myself and this is what I get in return. |
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After reading the entire SS conversation I want to highlight this,
That was quick and had a different tone.
Also want to highlight the fact that David's first message about the provider flagging the bet was a complete lie. It was shuffle themselves flagging the bet then asking the provider for an investigation. I've heard of innocent until proven guilty before. I'm hearing about guilty until proven innocent for the first time now. |
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@OP, could you share the proof that Eddie confirmed there were no warnings or flags on the specific match where you placed the bet? Meanwhile, can you please answer the question of holydarkness? Did they returned your bet amount?
I've sent you the evidence through private messages. Please have a look. |
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Sorry if I'm a bit unclear. What I am saying is, upon my inqury to my contact to return your wagering amount, they said that it's already done, yesterday if not the day before it. Just like your demand. Mind to check?
The initial bet amount has been returned, now I'm waiting for them to settle it as a win. |
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User: ndumm (Shuffle) Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3466374Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3436Flag Type: 3 Reason: Shuffle refuses to pay out winning bet, falsely accuses me of cheating. Full case here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5557348How can Noah accuse me of betting on a fixed match when I’ve already spoken with Eddie (Stake’s owner), and he confirmed that Stake — which uses the exact same sports provider as Shuffle — received no flags whatsoever?
I also checked with other providers, and not a single one had any suspicious alerts. If Stake and others using the same feed cleared the game, then how is Shuffle suddenly calling my bet a “fix” and holding my balance?
I’m currently in Curaçao, where Shuffle is licensed, and I’ll be pushing this matter hard with the authorities if my funds are not released. Under Curaçao law, operators are required to segregate player funds from operational capital and cannot seize deposits under baseless accusations.
I can also provide the evidence and provider confirmations privately to any users here who’d like to cross-check.
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I've raised a flag against Shuffle here on this forum. I'll fight for the innocence of this bet and me, till I'm settled the full winning amount.
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OP, I had a conversation with my contact on Shuffle just now, and I was informed that your demand has been granted, like... for a while, that the wager amounts has been returned while [if I understand this correctly] the winning amount is still being confiscated pending investigation.
Mind to check and confirm?
It has to be paid as a win and I've provided relevant proofs of my innocence to some important people who will have a look at this matter. My fight will continue till my bets have been settled as wins. |
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Shuffle representatives used to reply within 5 minutes prior to this win but now are giving me the silent treatment with no replies past 3 days.
Aren't willing to have a conversation; this seems more like some sort of revenge plot for being a winning player rather than an investigation as no other website/provider has flagged or investigated this specific match.
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How can Noah accuse me of betting on a fixed match when I’ve already spoken with Eddie (Stake’s owner), and he confirmed that Stake — which uses the exact same sports provider as Shuffle — received no flags whatsoever?
I also checked with other providers, and not a single one had any suspicious alerts. If Stake and others using the same feed cleared the game, then how is Shuffle suddenly calling my bet a “fix” and holding my balance?
I’m currently in Curaçao, where Shuffle is licensed, and I’ll be pushing this matter hard with the authorities if my funds are not released. Under Curaçao law, operators are required to segregate player funds from operational capital and cannot seize deposits under baseless accusations.
I can also provide the evidence and provider confirmations privately to any users here who’d like to cross-check.
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Segregation of Player Funds: Article 3.2 of the LOK requires operators to separate player funds from operational capital to guarantee availability at all times. Deposits are the property of the player, not the casino, and must be safeguarded.
Transparency of Terms: Article 5.1 obliges licensees to provide clear, transparent terms regarding the handling of bets and winnings. No provision allows confiscation of deposits without regulatory or judicial order.
AML/Criminal Exception: The only circumstance where deposits may be frozen or seized is under Article 7.4 (AML provisions), in cases of suspected money laundering, fraud, or criminal financing. Even then, seizure must be coordinated with authorities—not imposed unilaterally by the operator.
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Hi guys - this user bet a fixed match, which naturally we do not tolerate whatsoever. It’s not the first time, this user has a history of abusing our platform, so unfortunately for him he’s all out of warnings.
Thanks,
Noah
This sets a terrible precedent. You can’t let bets run, wait until they win, and then swoop in to seize both the stake and the payout under some vague, unproven “integrity” excuse. Industry standard is clear: void the bets if there’s a real issue. What you’re doing isn’t risk management, it’s theft — plain and simple. |
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Radio silence from Shuffle.com staff so far.
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