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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: June 02, 2015, 09:57:24 PM
Hi All,

Sorry for the silence.  I will fill you in on our current state of affairs.

We have not shipped any units.  At this point profit is extremely slim.  The risk to us, and to you the customer is too great at the moment.    With only a limited supply of ASICs, this limits our ability to fully ramp up production before we would have to stop again.  Limited ASICs and profits mean limited ability for warranty as there may be no way to get replacement parts.

The best way for us to care for our future customers is to stay viable as a company and have a successful launch.

Our current strategy is to work on our next gen hashing modules with the next gen ASICs.

Our plan for the little guys is to open orders along side any large deployments we have.   This will allow you to get the exact same pricing the big guys get!   Your only extra expense will be shipping/handling.  We of course will be ordering extras for warranty replacements and some for immediate sale.

I will see if I can get my mechanical engineer to shoot me some renderings of our air-cooled system.
Also if there are any MUST have features you would like to see in a home miner feel free to shoot them to me.

We did mine live with our system at the Inside Bitcoins New York.  A couple forum members did stop by to witness.  Maybe they can chime in here to verify.



Ill try and stick around on the forums a bit more.  Feel free to shoot any questions to me via skype or email as well.

-Nathan

2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: April 15, 2015, 08:53:00 PM
Sorry for the lack of communication here on the forums.   I have been traveling a lot this last 1.5 weeks.

We have a lot of information that will be coming out soon. 

We have had a few customers interested in buying just our infrastructure without mining cards.   They are wanting to get a head start on deployment and will wait for the next gen ASICs to arrive.    Mining cards can then be shipped out as soon as they come off of the SMT line, drastically speeding up deployment.    Is this something you might be interested in?

As far as power density per rack is concerned, there are a lot of factors that can come into exactly how much energy you can extract from ASICs.    But for a crude estimate,  we can put 4x 1600watt supplies in a 1U chassis.   If you want to place our management cards outside the rack and use 48U racks then you could potentially have 307Kw per rack.

So far we have tested the the cat5 links from the mining cards to the management cards as far as 50feet without issue.  We believe with Cat6/7 cables we can go much further.

Here is a rendering of the enclosure for the management cards.   We are leaving the front panel open to allow for future changes.    Each management card can control 24 mining cards or 6U.  2 management cards can fit into the below 1U enclosure.






-Nathan


3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: March 29, 2015, 12:58:16 AM
Hello all. 
I will try and answer as many questions as I can in this one post as I am still restricted on how fast I can post.

Q: Exciting. When will you finalize the tech descriptions, price, etc?
A: We are working our supply chain now to get a better understanding of what our pricing will be.   The larger order we can put together the better the volume discounts and more leverage we have with our parts suppliers.  I hate to give a price point but if we can’t get things down close to $2,000USD I doubt there will even be a market.   

Q: Did you license the SPT software as well or will you have your own gui?
A:  We are indeed building off of the same path as Spondoolies.  CGminer/MinePeon.   So, Yes.  User friendly GUI.   We will also be adding some larger scale management features.

Q: I am confused? So is this a new manufacteurer who is building ASICs but instead of developing their own chips they get it sourced from SP?
A: We are a systems integrator.  Our team comes from the enterprise server development world.  We are manufacturing our own architecture built around Spondoolies Rocker Box ASIC

Q: Water?!?  WHAT?  Where? How?
A: This is an open loop watercooled system.  This is designed for larger scale datacenters in mind.  (Individual customers may purchase, but will have to provide their own pump and radiator)(which means you can make this as quiet as you like!)
Our heatsink touches off on ALL parts of the “hashing module” that produce heat. (ASICs, Voltage regulator, and even the board itself.   All heat the board produces exits the water channel.

Q: Power supplies?  Noise?  Water?
A:  Power supplies are air cooled.  However they get near ambient temp air as the hashing modules are cooled by the water.   Running the system at 4Ths the power supplies are silent.  Over 5Ths they are barely audible.  6THs they are noticeable.  They are still the only fans in the system so they are not really all that bad compared to the competition.  Ill take SPL readings and post an audio recording in the future.

Q: Can you outline where/how the radiators fit into the setup? I imagine they are external.

A: Yes Datacenter level.   We are launching our architecture around: http://drycoolers.com/sites/default/files/avr-brochure-v2_0.pdf
As other have stated functional waste heat usage was one of our main goals, next to an easily upgradable design.
With an open loop design some may not have radiators at all, instead choosing to redirect a river for free cooling.
Our architecture also opens up the rest of the world to Bitcoin mining.  We can easily handle over 40C ambient air temperatures.

Q: RJ45!!!!!!!!!  HOW MANY?
A: Each Module needs 1 RJ45 connection to the management card.  Each management card will handle 24 hashing modules.  The 2nd port was for development reasons.
2 management cards will reside in a 1U chassis supporting a total 12 full miners.
Cat5 cabling is low cost and having a separate management card make for ease of upgrading modules.   

Q: Its likely those PCBs still need some airflow as well, although we can't be certain without more pics. Maybe the blocks cover the DC/DC area as well, maybe they just cover the chips.
A: Airflow is not needed for the hashing modules.  The PSU will need air however and will pull some air over the hashing modules.  Our heatsink makes contact with all heat producing components of the board.

Q: .51 watts per gh  does not cut it.  the next jump is over 10% .
A:  We are not an ASIC design company.  We can only control efficiency so much.  We are using Spondoolies Rocker Box ASIC so our efficiency should be on par with theirs.   We are pretty close on efficiency.  We have a few more tweaks to make.  It is also unknown if we happen to have an earlier batch of ASICs that may not perform as well.  Even different SP20’s will have different efficiency numbers.


Final Note:
Our marketing and technical documentation is being finished soon.
Our goals with this architecture were as follows:
Replaceable hashing Modules.  Upgrade modules (not including ASIC cost as we can not control that) could potentially cost ˝ the total price of a new miner.
Easy, rapid, end user replaceable hash modules.
Rack dense.
Useable waste heat.
Interface with standard industrial plumbing.
Provide all the benefits of immersion cooling without the cost.
We believe we have accomplished these goals with this system.

Hope to see you tomorrow at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.

-Nathan
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 28, 2015, 07:26:16 AM
Yes. 

-Nathan


Hello All.
Hi. Will you be showing one of your new machines down town tomorrow here in Austin ?
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: March 27, 2015, 08:43:36 PM
If there is a friendly neighborhood forum moderator who could kindly remove my posting restrictions I would most appreciate it.


Thank you,

Nathan
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: March 27, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
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7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Miner Edge Official information Thread. on: March 27, 2015, 04:06:35 PM
Copying this over from the Spondoolies thread.  I will add more info here as it becomes available.

MinerEdge rack mounted system based on RockerBox pictures can be found here http://imgur.com/a/5g0cq

Nathan provided the following info:

Water cooled.  One long heatsink resides below the 4 modules. Making for easy replacement of modules.   
 
Efficiency, Not quite as good as some of the best numbers we have seen on the SP20 but we have more tweaking to do.  Our next rev board (in case Serial power doesn’t work) will have some more power improvements.  We hope to gain an additional 4% DC-DC efficiency at max current.
 
.69w/GHs @ 6THs
.57w/GHs @ 5THs
.51w/GHs @ 4THs
Measured at wall @ 240v
 
Management traffic goes out the RJ45 jacks on the front.
We will be integrating the board level management data with the ASIC data shortly.  This will allow us to power 24 cards(6 chassis) off of one management card.
 
This system is basically equivalent to 4 SP20 systems in one 1U tray.

Contact information:

Nathan Ho
Founder/CEO
Miner Edge LLC
MinerEdge.com
Email: nathan at mineredge.com
skype:  h.nathan.h@Skype







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8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 27, 2015, 12:42:52 AM
From our chats with datacenter owners,  the over 3KW of heat that the SP35 puts out often is too much.  

Only if you're not designed for it. We've got a 48U rack running 73.5 kW at our datacenter on pure air cooling with no trouble. It has 15 SP35s and 7 SP30/SP31s. The idea that you have to go to water cooling in order to achieve high densities is both expensive and false.

You are correct.   It's not that we couldn't do a max density air cooled solution.  Spondoolies already does this.   It's that our architecture is designed to be upgradeable.  Some design concessions had to be made.

Water cooling also opens up the hottest parts of the world to mining.  We can easily handle 40c+ ambient air temps.   And have tested to 70c exiting water temps if so desired for industrial waste heat usage.  Higher temps may be possible.   With a serial power design this will easily be achievable.

-Nathan

9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 27, 2015, 12:01:43 AM
From our chats with datacenter owners,  the over 3KW of heat that the SP35 puts out often is too much.   

We also want to future proof our cooling system. Going with more than 2U gives us extra headroom on cooling.  Who knows what the thermal density of the next ASIC will be?   3-4U also allows us 120mm fans which are more energy efficient and quieter.

Power supplies will be internal, included, and upgradeable via a new PDB(power distribution board). (see above photos) 

-Nathan






We are also working on a 3-4U air cooled version of the above tray.  Everything identical except with air cooled heat pipe heatsink below, and fans.


Hi Nathan,

Is it worth trying for a 2U version? For rackmount datacenter centric kit like this noise isn't an issue so pack it full of fans Smiley

2U is also a great rack density effective form factor for air cooled rigs.

Otherwise the 1U would be my poison. Are the psu's going to be included and internal to the chassis?
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 26, 2015, 11:44:22 PM
Austin TX.

[in no way are we affiliated with Cointerra]




Hi MinerEdge,

Glad to see a new player!

Where are you guys based?

11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 26, 2015, 11:21:27 PM
Thanks for the kind words David,

My condolences to your grandfather.  97 is a good run!  

-Nathan





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Like what you are doing, Sir.  Wish I could be in Austin.  Unfortunately, I have my grandfather's funeral to attend Saturday.  He lived 1.5 months shy of his 97th birthday.  He was a great man!

I like the idea and the architecture!  I like the idea of swappable modules for upgrading!  Keep up the good work and thank you for your contribution, Sir!

Kind regards,

David
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: March 26, 2015, 10:59:04 PM
Hello All.

This is the Miner Edge LLC official Bitcointalk user.

Guy,  Will you do the honors of confirming that this is the real Miner Edge.    We emailed earlier about shipping a broken SP35 for serial power testing.


MinerEdge rack mounted system based on RockerBox pictures can be found here http://imgur.com/a/5g0cq

This system looks neat--any word when we might see it in the wild?
+1
I do not need the water cooling, but would love to buy more miners from most anyone SPtech recommends. I refuse to give BITMAIN another dollar, even if it means I can't mine anymore.


We will be at the Texas Bitcoin Conference.  http://texasbitcoinconference.com/conferences/austin2015#sponsors

Our system is ready for production now and we will be opening orders soon.   More info on this to follow soon.

We are also working on a 3-4U air cooled version of the above tray.  Everything identical except with air cooled heat pipe heatsink below, and fans.

This will be our permanent architecture for the foreseeable future.  We will be selling upgrade modules as future ASICs will be developed.

If you buy into our system you get to reuse everything other than the hashing modules.    Modules can be replaced in about 15 minutes.


Nathan Ho
Founder/CEO
Miner Edge LLC
MinerEdge.com
Email: nathan at mineredge.com
skype:  h.nathan.h@Skype




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