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1  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 08:05:21 PM
What the heck?  One of my VPS just threw this:

Code:
[2014-09-21 19:40:51] Stratum detected new block
[2014-09-21 19:41:08] Pool set diff to 96483.6
[2014-09-21 19:41:08] Stratum detected new block
XMR going down like the TitanicXMR going down like the TitanicXMR going down like the Titanic^[[2014-09-21 19:43:08] Stratum connection timed out
[2014-09-21 19:43:08] Stratum connection interrupted

Maybe it's personal.  (If only the Titanic had an icebreaker)

which pool?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How much hash does BCX need to take out Monero? (Hardware / AWS calculation) on: September 21, 2014, 07:58:47 PM
BCX said he has 19% of network hash rate.  

He estimated that 19% or perhaps less was required to do a timewarp.  He implied that he had enough.  That's a lower bound, not an upper bound, on his hash power, but it incorporates an unknown linear factor (the perhaps less factor).

The longer you run a timewarp attack, the more likely it is to succeed.  That scales linearly because each trial is independent.

so you're saying he needs 6mh/s to do a timewarp attack (assuming he's right about the 19%)?

edit:  do we know who owns the top 3 pools?  buying a pool might be cheaper than hashrate if the owner is willing to be bought off ...
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How much hash does BCX need to take out Monero? (Hardware / AWS calculation) on: September 21, 2014, 07:24:33 PM
If the network is 13.4 he would need 13.4 to have 50%. Or did you mean that he only needs 33%?

The network is now 26 mhps.  I expect it to go over 30 mhps by the time the "time to kill xmr"  clock runs out.  32 mhps seems more reasonable for estimations.

Where are you getting your hashrate from?  I would like to follow it live.  i got mine from http://minexmr.com/pools.html

do you think it's bcx ramping his hashrate up?  or people adding to it to secure the network?  or both  Huh
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How much hash does BCX need to take out Monero? (Hardware / AWS calculation) on: September 21, 2014, 07:13:44 PM
If he manages to take out moneropool w ddos - that brings the network hash down to 13.4Mh/s.  So he needs 7Mh/s ish.
If he manages to take out the top three pools out - that brings the network hash down to 3.94Mh/s.  So he needs 2Mh/s ish.

If the network is 13.4 he would need 13.4 to have 50%. Or did you mean that he only needs 33%?


ah yes.  I'm being dumb ... he needs the full hash to achieve an additional 50% - not half of it. 

ugh sry.
5  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 07:06:45 PM
I see 51% as being very attainable here based on the pool info.  Where am I messing up at?

The probability of failure at each step accumulates multiplicatively.  Half the hash doesn't mean you are half as likely to succeed.  It means you are exponentially less likely to succeed.

you are saying my numbers are right? 

but unlikely that he can perform a ddos attack and lower the hash rate.  and also unlikely he can achieve 12Mh/s hashrate for a sustained period even though he's worth at least 10's of millions?
6  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 06:59:00 PM
Maybe he's just planning a 51% attack and the "fatal flaw" is just a distraction?  Knowing BCX has at least 500BTC to expend on this if he wants ... it seems greater than 4 - 8% to me.

The probability of a 51% attack with the numbers you have mooted is vanishing.  Effectively zero.  The probability of a time-warp is miniscule, but meaningful.  Less than 4% certainly.
BUT:
1) he probably has more resources than you think, and
2) a marginally successful attack does not suffice to damage the ledger if it is deftly mitigated in the event.


my maths may be way off.  if maybe I'm missing some 0's somewhere in the h/s - kh/s - mh/s comparison?

I see 51% as being very attainable here based on the pool info.  Where am I messing up at?
7  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 06:50:37 PM
MEW - Monero Economy Workgroup communication

A taskforce is set up to address the issue of a possible "BCX exploit", and an ultimatum by BCX to find and fix it in 72 hours lest a serious attack is launched upon Monero.

The taskforce consists of several Monero developers, AnonyMint, CZ, jl777 and me.

There are differing opinions in the taskforce concerning the severity of the threat. No coinkiller is yet found and several avenues are probed. The members who have technical competence are talking about their views themselves.

Regardless of the outcome in the technical side, this is a serious economic attack on Monero - about 15% of the pre-ultimatum value is lost, and there is a great information asymmetry plaguing traders currently. It is notable that nobody has offered to borrow XMR for shorting (which I could provide against full guarantee deposit of BTC). Neither has anyone bought the PUT options. This means that the downside speculation has so far been limited to selling out from a trader's own stash. An economically motivated player who knows for sure about a lethal attack might decide to take leverage for personal gain.

I believe that the Monero devs are up to their task and can mitigate the potential exploit, and fix the code in preparation of the announced attack. I further believe that Monero will rise even stronger. Since I am not in possession of any knowledge that indicates that a realistic attack could take place, I can only estimate the probability that it exists unnoticed, and my estimate is 4-8%.

The MEW will be inaugurated on Tuesday, and also the devteam has important announcements (not related to the attack). Provided that our coin still exists, I am sure we have a great future ahead of us as a community with these new methods of organizing our activities for the mutual benefit.



Any input from MEW on this?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791366.0

Maybe he's just planning a 51% attack and the "fatal flaw" is just a distraction?  Knowing BCX has at least 500BTC to expend on this if he wants ... it seems greater than 4 - 8% to me.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / How much hash does BCX need to take out Monero? (Hardware / AWS calculation) on: September 21, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
I'm making a few assumptions here as I want to keep this worst case scenario.  I'd like some input.

Looking at Monero pools here - http://minexmr.com/pools.html - if BCX were able to take out one or more of the big pools with DDOS it would significantly lower the hash needed.  

If he manages to take out moneropool w ddos - that brings the network hash down to 13.4Mh/s.  So he needs 14Mh/s ish.
If he manages to take out the top three pools out - that brings the network hash down to 3.94Mh/s.  So he needs 4Mh/s ish.


Looks like an r9 290 = 600h/s & c38xlarge = 785 h/s.

Making the assumption he has a 1,000 GPU farm equivalent of R9 290's - that's 600 kh/s.  (5 200Amp panels should run this if the cards are pulling 300watts ea)

Making the assumption he has a huge botnet of 100K mid-range computers that get around 150 h/s.  1,500 kh/s

Making the assumption he is willing to burn 500 bitcoins/$200,000 on AWS (I have NO clue on if he would be able to scale it this big - pretty sure he couldn't get spot instances and would have to pay full price.  Now that I think about it - I'm not sure what it takes to get all limits removed on your aws account).  

c3.8xlarge = $1.68 an hour.  If he needs 48 hours that's $80.64 per instance.  So he'll be able to pay for 2,480 instances.  This adds another 1,946 kh/s

total = 4.046 Mh/s.

references

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=638915.0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MI-ic0Os25hgGUImW54sUIjZY_pUNQNa_W8Se5pRGBs/edit?pli=1#gid=0


Will revise OP as I get input / try to figure out if this is possible.  
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anonymint threatens to unravel anonymity of Monero. Is this possible? on: September 21, 2014, 05:24:33 PM
anonymity doesn't matter.  pointless thread.

that wasn't the question.  I'm deleting your post - start your own thread if you think anonymity is pointless.

thanks.
10  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: September 21, 2014, 05:13:45 PM
Rpietila wrote publicly only 4 - 8% chance of any lasting harm to Monero.

The same guy who said Bitcoin wouldn't fall below $400 twice and I am the same guy who PUBLICLY predicted both times it would.

And my group got out at $485 and bought back in below $400 because in the $500s I told them it would go below $400 again to retest the prior bottom.

Edit: If BCX doesn't attack successfully, Rpietila will be correct, for a short time.

Impressive.

I also recall rptiella being the same guy that bought bitcoin at $10.

Indeed and he deserves credit for that along with 1000s of others. But that wasn't a short-term trading analysis.

dear god.  can we just setup a webcam so you guys can whip them out and see who's is bigger & drop the facade?

geez
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Anonymint threatens to unravel anonymity of Monero. Is this possible? on: September 21, 2014, 05:03:04 PM
this is self moderated because with all the shit flying.  And anonymints feelings hurt and fluffypony mad at anonymint and visa versa.  and bcx somewhere in the middle.  and moneroman trying hard to get bcx to kill monero the fud on this is strong.  And I want answers - not the muddled stuff everybody is posting.

A - is it possible?
B - what would it take?  a 51% attack?
C - what would it take to eliminate the possibility in the future?

Following posts are not welcome.

- hurt feelings.
- attacking monero.  
- glossing over dealkillers for monero ("this is all fud .. rptellia hung the moon ... blah blah blah")
- discussing shit that doesn't matter.
- bcx vauge threats

can someone answer my questions?  I WILL moderate this thread

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I rather fancy the idea of publishing the sender of (most) every ring signature on the block chain instead at a future date of my choosing.

I warned you don't fuck with me.

I will make sure BBR has the mitigation ready assuming they are still cooperative with me and they don't give my mitigation to XMR.

You are not dealing with BCX any more. You are dealing with me. Capice.
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