Het was mij ook eerder om aan te geven dat er na eerdere stijgingen flinke dalingen zijn geweest.. het komt uit een ander topic en niet mijn inzichten.

De media is inderdaad flink omgeslagen na al het positieve, weer terug bij af en erger.  Je kan willen dat door duidelijkere benaming van waar de fout zit in de berichtgeving dit rechtgezet kan worden, maar mensen snappen het amper, verschil tussen bitcoin en ICO is er voor de meesten niet.. alles is bitcoin.

Kijk maar naar het 'SmartBlockchain' debacle op tv laatst, tenenkrommend en half nederland knikt braaf mee..

Kan me voorstellen dat je een script maakt dat de daling in de gaten houd, bij een daling groter dan 5% verkopen.. dat kan voordelig zijn en sowieso ben je nooit meer dan 5% van de investering kwijt..
De Kraken API bied al deze optie stop-loss-profit, waarbij je je marges kan bepalen

Zelf ook aan het scripten geweest afgelopen maand, niet echt een exit strategie, maar wel wat winst weten te halen uit het dalen van de koersen,
door het tijdelijk wegvallen van de transactiekosten bij het plaatsen van orders op Kraken heb ik middels de API en een script de schommeling tussen de diverse crypto's gebruikt om aan- en verkoop orders te plaatsen en zo per cyclus van drie orders € 0.10 tot € 0.50 winst te pakken als het script snel genoeg was.. ook regelmatig verlies gedraaid, zijn kleine bedragen, maar het script draait een paar honderd keer, in totaal € 100,-  aan overgehouden.

Helaas is de kosteloze periode bij Kraken voorbij, iedere order cyclus kost me nu weer € 0.60,  dus daar haal ik geen winst meer uit..

Het is niet de eerste flinke daling en ik denk inderdaad dat het dit keer de hype is geweest die jan met de pet bitcoin heeft laten kopen en het nu aan het dumpen is..

uit een ander topic de eerdere crashes:

📉 - 94% June-November 2011 from $32 to $2 because of MtGox hack

📉 -36% June 2012 from $7 to 4 Linod hack

📉 -79% April 2013 from 266 to 54. MTGox stopped trading

📉 -49% Feb 2014 MTGox is gone

📉 -40% September 2017 from $5000 to $2972 China ban

📉 -60% January 2018 Korea FUD. from $19700 to 8500

Wat mij opvalt is dat de alt-coins zoals ETH, XRP(ripple) en LTC achterblijven nu de bitcoin/euro koers de pan uit rijst. Ook de koers van alt/BTC blijft wat achter. Voordeel is dus wel dat je meer altcoin krijgt voor je BTC, investeren in altcoin zoals de LTC, ETH of XRP lijkt me beter, mocht de BTC dalen, dan krijg je straks voor je altcoin meet BTC en zo niet, de altcoin trekt vanzelf, ook al is het langzaam wel weer bij.

Gooi ook niet al je BTC in alts, want de fork betekent ook een nieuwe alternatieve bitcoin zoals ook de Bitcoin cash, die je gratis en voor niets erbij krijgt..

It is a nice way to get started, the amount one collects is to little to do anything substantial with their coins, so they have to look for ways to further fund their wallets to join in on the BTCitcoin economy. Invest, earn, whatever, but to spend the dime you have earned you need an extra dollar worth to buy you a coffee..

So faucets are not bad for bitocoin
It is a time killing/wasting thing to do, when you have time to kill, better click some faucets and earn a penny, than some virtual candy and earn nothing.
2015 has only a few weeks left, so how bad did it go with BTCitcoin the past year?

Investing in HYIP is only nice if you have BTCitcoin to burn and waste and can take the risk of losing it all or win it back bigtime. There are ways to earn bitcoin fast, investing in setting up a HTIP scam or ponzi is one of them. Investing in more stable enterprises or exchanges is a better option if you want to lower the risk of losing it all.

On this forum the signature campaings do offer a nice reward for just posting and contributing your thoughts to the community.

With faucets, doing some captcha's is a nice waste of time, like playing candy crush while waiting for the bus, but you get paid some satoshi for it wich is in my opinion a better reward than a voiceacted bell cushioned 'EXCELENT!'

So it is time to stuff some of my coins into cold storage for when the bus will get to a nice busstop and I will get a nice return on my busfare?

Is a paperwallet prefered as cold storage or a coldstorage device? I think the paper version will be less error prone compared to the storage devices.. maybe both, make a paperwallet of my storage device?

http://www.radartv.nl/sites/radarextra/animaties/
http://www.radartv.nl/sites/radarextra/animaties/aflevering/16-12-2013/geldcreatie/?extra-item=geldcreatie
it is in Dutch, but it is a nice animation

Myceleum seems popular, but it has centralized validation, this means you have to trust a third party(Myceleum) not to take advantage of your payments, it has proven itself trustworthy, but that is something to think about before installing and using a wallet.

I think is is advisable to look into how other people have done it. Team up, meet up, make a good plan and prepare a story to tell the business owners, make a nice and simple flyer that will make it easy to understand the use of Bitcoin and how to implement it. Make sure you are not the only customer within the range of the business that will ever use Bitcoin as a payment.

Roeptoeteren maar wat inderdaad, heb er een aantal al van repliek gediend...

How much you would like it to be 'fair'. bitcoin still has to be scarce to have any value, if everyone has the equal share, the bitcoincap would not be enough to spread the wealth, bitcoinprice would be just a few cents.

It is the big mining rigs that make the value of the coin thrive, make it rise and rise again,

If there is not incentive, no one would mine, maybe just a hand full of people. The 21 project could benefit from it, it makes small appliences mine bitcoin, these are at the moment not powerfull yet, the difficulty has to drop for those machines to be interesting enough to contribute to the blockchain.

You cannot get rid of the need of people to want more and more. We want more social and economic equality, in that we are giving in to our own greed to want more, be it equality, it is a utopian idea we never ever will reach, only scrape upon and then forever yearn to get closer...

A breach like this will only make the ones who really want to be private to better their efforts to keep out the eavesdroppers,

I Do not like being eavesdropped, but what I do is what I do and at the moment I do not care what others think of it or if they tap into it, they shouldn't, just like when someone in the train besides me is not allowed to watch what is on my phone, I try to guard it with my hand. The NSA is harder to guard against, but technology will catch up. If I ever feel that the things I say or do might get me in trouble because the NSA or any institure thinks what I say or do is 'bad'. I will try harder to conceal. But at the moment, I feel safe enough to say and do as I like. So I might cut myself short here, if I ever digitaly disappear, they know that what I am doing is not meant to be seen and worthy investigating..

So as long as Bitcoin is not linked to being criminal, I will not hide my bitcoin activities for the NSA, though I do think their eavesdropping is a big nuiscance.

Change is coming, slow is good, fast would be bad, because haste will make a lot of casualties along the way. We have time to ease out the flaws and make a system that is good for all, ease in use and stable. So slow it is, and we will get there in the end!

I 'use' BTCitcoin to get paid for the drawings I make, it is fun to get requests and get rewarded with some coins, got some pretty nice requests and responses, like "draw me with bear and steak"   

I have never bought weed with my coins, never bought weed period, though it is freely available here.
For my Coins I did not spend any fiat. Did buy me some pizza and whisky with my hard earned coins.

Stepping into an investment a bit too late and ill informed is always a big mistake. You cannot blame bitcoin for that. Bitcoin is not just for investing and HODLing. It is the basis of the cryptocurrency revolution. You have invested in that, you brought change to the world, so be happy with that idea in mind!

Het gaat goed in Arnhem!

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Iedereen in mijn familie krijgt in ieder geval een loesje scheurkalender deze kerst, betaald met bitcoin

Dat!

It is the profit that is centralising the mining towards pools and mega mining rigs. Thus undermining the decentralised nature of the blockchain.

But what is the incentive to mine?
Where does the value of the bitcoin come from if it is not from profit?

It is a flaw(or asset) in human nature to be greedy, so how could we overcome this problem to keep the blockchain decentralised?

It would have been better if mining would be non-profit in any other any way than just the sheer joy of running your own decentralised mining rig in your basement, as a hobby and as a means to keep the blockchain alive. You could make it break even, so no profit, but no loss, but it is still the market at work here.
The incentive is money, and that is one that feeds greed, greed is a very mighty thing and hard to control. We always want more, eat all the cake till nothing is left and then franticly search for the last crumbs...

Mining without profit would increase the decentralisation, because it would only interest those who want to invest without any earthly rewards other than recognition and being part of it. But where do you put the coins? How to distribute those? It is stil about the blockchain and the coins. To distribute them evenly around to all wallets available? That would make running the most wallets profitable and take the whole thing askew again.

Trying to manipulate the bitcoin value to keep it non-profitable for miners, but how?

Mocht je graag je bitcoins toch naar stichting ALS storten, dan gewoon op hun eigen giro http://www.als.nl/wat-kunt-u-doen/doneren/ via BitBill bijvoorbeeld  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974960.0

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