Now we are making it clear to the community that it is but an "expression of support", with no actionable plan. Very new age! For that explanation I thank you. Let's state the obvious, rather the elephant in the room. Ineffectual by design due to the qualities of this coin (more about this below). With the added advantage for those who this rigged system favors.  I hear you loud and clear so will others who read the thread and are frustrated by continual justifications for inaction.

Ironically, the voting (this magical way to express your feelings) came about when the larger community, those who cared (if you magically expressed yourself we can at minimum say you care) had been using this forum to express their desires to do away with a largely unfair system that discriminates amongst new comers, favors past criminals and exposes the very people who support the network to risk. No matter what the original intentions, that is the present day reality.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - Saint Bernard of Clairvaux


Nice attempt to try and gloss over the reality of this coin, now lets bring out the elephant...Just-Dice wallets make this decision and you are smart enough to know that. You can use terms like "Fair distribution", "update triggered forking change" or "feel confident that the update would gain consensus on the network" but be aware, try as you may, the greater community is much more intelligent than you make us seem. Statements like those from a smart competent gal like you is condescending at best to those who know the reality. About 84% of the staking community are simply voting by proxy via Just-dice [don't quote me on the 84% as that number is dynamic and I have not recently run the math]. This may not have been by design but it is reality.  It is as true if not truer (as it may be more powerful) then any given line of code in the coin’s protocol.

This reality makes it impossible for simply a community based update triggered fork change.  Many may not like it but it is now part of the corpus of the coin

We can make up nice sounding terms and play cloak and daggers but the reality is clear. Of the voting community the majority already expressed what they want so lets not gloss over the issue. Unless things change substantially in the coin’s ecosystem your quote above is but a farce dream. You know it, I know it and the community knows it.

Now that we have cleared the air I will put on my best hippie cap and go chant my wants barefoot in the park.  Another powerful way for one to express their desires.

I understand waiting a week or more however:

I don't get it. How can any fair voting system take into account those who don't vote? When you say "66% of it isn't" is that not an incorrect statement if it is intending to mean they are against petition 5afa074c?  Even direct abstain votes does not mean they are against any specific petition.  

So this is starting to sound like there has never been any intentions to act on what the greater clam voting community wants. Emphasis on "clam voting community".  Those who don't vote, typically don't want a voice and as is in any truly fair voting system, they are not taken as part of the voting tallies. Else it calls to question the clamour voting system in general (or any voting system to take such an approach).

As for the developers and massive premines, that is a null issue. If this vote was never intended to be acted on, as it is becoming clear, and tallies are based on non voters...then we have exactly what the initial distribution has shown us:  An unfair system that does not support the vast number of newcomers to crypto, rewards criminals who in the past have setup fractional reserve systems and scammed the greater BTC/LTC/Doge community. Exposes anyone who presently supports the greater clams community as we have recently experienced. To quote the old lady in the commercial "None of this makes any sense."  

What really makes me smile is the moniker of "fair distribution"

This whole voting is...well,...a bit fishy.  What am I missing?

I guess these numbers speak for themselves.  No more need to argue on threads with bias opinions (my own included). It is apparent what the larger clam community wants, or at lest those who have "Stake" in the game (pun intended).  I am actually surprised since I would have not expected such a large number of votes represented.  I know that the Percent of Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential election was 57.5% (according to http://www.statisticbrain.com/voting-statistics/). If we take the U.S. Presidential election as a benchmark Clamour votes are very well represented.

Do you have numbers on total unique votes?

I would also expect whoever has large numbers of stored keys (maybe the original developer(s)?) to come out of the woodworks and start to dig/dump. The next few weeks will be very revealing. I would love to believe in the honest nature of those who concocted this system of distribution under a cloak of "fairness" but I'd be fetching for straws.

When is the voted on petitions expected to be acted on?

Thanks for the update and fix Doog.

You say new users so glibly. Which new users exactly? All of the new users in Crypto see clams as an unfair distribution these days. a distribution that only benefits the old timers that have been part of the crypto community.  It seems that Clam digging is a promise to the elite that held crypto at some past point in time. Also a promise to them that they can sit back and make money on the backs of those who have supported the Clam community. If they cared about clams they would have dug a long time ago.  Also a windfall promise for those who created any type of "possible" fractional reserve systems with the 3 best known coins.  

So it basically says: if one created a fractional reserve system, as an old time elite and held a lot of keys for users to send them coins while they simply showed DB digits then you can get rewarded big as clams climb. Granted, not all of these systems have been unfair however, with crypto's sorted history a large number of them have been and dozens if not hundreds of examples can be easily given. It is not just the mintpals and MTgox of the world, it is smaller less knows scam sites all over the globe.

This is who Clam's promise is to. How does this distribution make any sense anymore?  Does it not go against the basic premiss of crypto in general.  Is it not a promise similar to what the Federal Reserve does for today's already established elite institutions? That they can simply print money if they are in the proper pre-established position. Alienating the new comers with a blatantly public unfair policy (Do we hide this by simply changing the name and calling it a "promise"?).  It was a good experiment which I am sure had positive intentions but from an outside perspective it is looking a lot like everything that is wrong with the present fiat system. This should start to become apparent to everyone.

If you are in the US, call your local FBI office (easy to obtain at http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field) they are very friendly and cordial. Also file with the www.ic3.gov they are the FBI's internet crimes division.  I also encourage you to file with Action Fraud in the UK even if you are outside of the UK.  Their filling process allows for complaints outside the UK in a very straight forward way.  Unless this clown and all of the co-conspirators, that even includes Mr. Jason Yates who benefited from the overall transaction. If they do not make good on the BTCs taken there is no much they can do.  Well, I guess they can be on the run for the rest of their lives and never return to see any of their family members, that is an option. 

-Andre

If you are in the US contact your local FBI office. Also file with your local police department. you can also file at www.ic3.gov (FBI internet crimes division) and even if you are in the US, Like I am, you can file at Action fraud in the UK like I did. It takes like an hour to fill everything out.  FBI can contact interpol to grab them where they are.

- I have two other agencies to contact I will keep everyone informed

- Goal is to get charges that leads to lifetime prison sentences and not white collar bullshit.  Since this is international it should be easy out of the US plus they too consumer funds and that is much worse than spending money from some partnership agreement.

Andre

Landon, I should have really mentioned all the of the employees in my original post. I am not here to accuse you or anyone else however I spent the Morning with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and they were interested in the names of every employee.  Actually they were interested in every person and every party and even every name of every affected victim I could provide.  If you feel strongly that you are in the right (I don't disagree), my best recommendation is: if you are not part of the crime protect yourself and be part of the solution. 

Go to your local authorities and file a report that you have been witnesses to an international crime as I did.  Explain and divulge everything you can, timelines etc. so you have a report to show the authorities that you did everything in your power to expose the problem.  That you were not part of the conspiracy and criminal acts.

Please recommend the same to everyone that you believe is in the same position.  I can guarantee you that I am not discriminating. I am being guided to following proper procedure. I suggest you do the same. i don't hide and if you look me up you will see that I try my best to be affective with law enforcement.

This will be interpreted as an international conspiracy because it involves many people and obfuscation of companies to hide the perpetrators.  I would even recommend the same to the guys from Mintpal.  I cannot say for sure they did not have Mal intentions. From the little I know it seems as if they had no mal intentions but that is not for me to decide.

I am just using my influence to seek some justice.

Keep in mind that aiding a criminal act puts anyone in the same hot seat sometimes even without knowing that you are aiding.  Be part of the solution and don't get caught with your pants down. I am not about to stop the momentum I have started. 

Not against you or anyone else. I believe all victims should get their BTCs back.

Best of luck and if you need to reach me I am easy to reach.

Sincerely,

Andre

Mintpal owes me 19.99381322 BTC. and the community much more.

Those responsible will soon understand why they should return funds ASAP.

I have named Ryan Kennedy (Alex Green), Miss Chelsea Hopkins and Landon Merrill as co-conspirators in an international fraud scheme.  As you can see via the attachment  I am in contact with ActionFraud.  I am also in contact with the New York an US Authorities mounting an international fraud ring charge.  It is one thing for a civil action when misappropriating monies from a company however it is criminal to take consumer funds.  I have been awaiting the return of my BTCs and given ample time. I am moving on a case of an international conspiracy ring to defraud consumers.  This will block the use of their passports and forced them to be detained in international airports restricting their movement.   Each one of their family members will be interrogated by international authorities. 

I am a long time member of the Bitcoin community.  I have supported the community as a whole and will continue to do so.  Some of you will recall that I was able to change Federal stance on bitcoin in Jan with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCen) ruling I fought for at the federal level. Called: "Application of FinCEN’s Regulations to Virtual Currency Software Development and Certain Investment Activity" Now my fight will be to get the monies Ryan et al. refuses to return through international effort.  My goal is that the fraud charges I am mounting will position this for some lifetime sentences for all parties.



This is my move Ryan, lets see yours!




I am easily reachable

@AndreTechExec - twitter.

-Andre