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The right way for an organization that desires this level of transparency is to use BIP32 and publish their extended public key.
This would be all well and good if every wallet client (or even most of them) actually, you know, implemented BIP32! As it is, the best you can do is point me to a python tool? I'm capable of using it, but that just seems like a massive pain in the ass to go to. (Oh look, someone used another one of my addresses! Better boot to linux, generate the private key, and import it into my wallet!) And that's for me, a software engineer. What about the less tech-savvy users? Moreover, most Bitcoin-related websites don't have BIP32 support either! They take one address for withdrawals. Some allow you to give multiple addresses, if they're a bit fancier, but even then, I'm supposed to post 50 addresses and log in to switch the address every time I get a payout? And then there's Blockchain.info. Did you know Blockchain.info wallets reuse addresses by default unless you create new ones? I appreciate the intent behind this proposal, but I don't think we're ready for this change yet. I do agree that we need to do this at some point in the future, but shouldn't we, you know, roll out the infrastructure necessary to make it actually workable first?
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If no other pool ever adopts a similar set of rules then at most the impact is 15% slower confirmation times.
What about non-standard transactions? Isn't eligius the only game in town for that?
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Given the fact that the pool operators couldn't find any flaw in their billing system I think it could have been victim of a block solution withholding attack.
How would that cause the buggy balances we've been seeing?
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During the pool's history there were lots of different attacks, including loss of 1170 bitcoins [links removed]. 50BTC has covered all losses. Users were never affected.
Does this mean that you will cover the losses this time as well? Also: we’ve made a decision to rewrite billing software from scratch.
What about those of us who have attempted to make payouts through the current system which are now stuck "in process"? Will those transactions be carried out when the new billing software goes live?
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I just tried taking a payout from one of my two accounts (the one whose balance was showing correctly), and it shows as "in process" now, with the amount subtracted from my balance (although when I submitted the payment, it said "some error occurred"). Will report back if I see a tx confirmed.
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joeperry The problem is that pool needs reserves to work. If I'll send this coins to users, pool will be unable to handle rewards correctly because of variance, orphans and payments for immature blocks. It's a suicide as is.
So, it's a dilemma: send 1/3 now and nothing more ever, or send limited amount and handle this balances by another way. As a shelved rewards, for example, get 0.5-1 LTC from each block to pay this rewards.
Balthazar it is only a dilemma because of your code of ethics. You are looking for ways to accept complete responsibility for what happened and as a result want to pay everyone everything. Anyone here who has ever written a line of code in their lives understands what happened and has made similar mistakes. I remember making a modification at a customers plant and shutting the entire line down for 8 minutes. Eight minutes might not sound like much; but, it, represented multiple thousands of dollars. My customer forgave me and was actually glad that I recognized the error so quickly. It turned out that a similar incident several years earlier had shut them down for an entire shift. We are human and shit happens. Any solution is good enough for me. I don't feel you owe me anything. I do want to continue mining at your pool. This. I'm very happy with the pool I switched to after this mess occurred, but I'd rather be on ltcmine.ru.
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Current stable bitcoin market price.
Right, but he's not asking if you would sell at a premium over today's market price, because as you said, everyone obviously would (and then most of them would buy back the bitcoins at a profit--I certainly would). He's asking what the fundamentals currently indicate as to what the "correct" price of a bitcoin is. So, if you would sell 50% of your coins tomorrow if the price hit $150, then that's your answer. If you expect you'd wait until $500 or $1000, that's the answer. It's a question of what would the market have to be willing to pay for you to sell your coins.
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I don't believe you understand the question.
I'm not sure you do. As I understand it, he's not asking if you would sell your BTC right now for that much. He's asking how high the price would have to go before you would cash out. Of course, I could be misunderstanding you here.
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Yeah, I'd like to chime in here and say that I have more than half a bitcoin missing. I was last paid out on 02/09/2013 (six days ago) at 3:28 PM, or 9/2/13 03:28pm, as MtRed reports it. That was all of the BTC then confirmed. Since then, I have earned the following rewards:
0.0016706 0.00000839 215 97 req. 0.04080413 0.00020505 5349 95 req. 0.02030988 0.00010206 2627 41 req. 0.03147345 0.00015816 4040 Credited 0.02641037 0.00013272 3455 Yes 0.02196829 0.00011039 2863 Yes 0.00768603 0.00003862 1010 Yes 0.03758359 0.00018886 4783 Yes 0.00142602 0.00000717 185 Yes 0.01529278 0.00007685 1981 Yes 0.05134512 0.00025802 6649 Yes 0.00211016 0.0000106 272 Yes 0.04543045 0.00022829 5859 Yes 0.04251902 0.00021366 5562 Yes 0.06530097 0.00032815 8455 Yes 0.01162271 0.00005841 1492 Yes 0.06884674 0.00034596 8798 Yes 0.00047407 0.00000238 62 Yes 0.01397114 0.00007021 1828 Yes 0.00564581 0.00002837 725 Credited 0.0260326 0.00013082 3317 Yes 0.01126521 0.00005661 1451 Yes 0.01583164 0.00007956 2081 Yes 0.01332629 0.00006697 1714 Yes 0.00656988 0.00003301 854 Yes 0.00339039 0.00001704 443 Yes 0.00292814 0.00001471 381 Yes 0.00525306 0.0000264 691 Yes 0.04953845 0.00024894 6434 Yes 0.03161837 0.00015889 4080 Yes
The sum of these payouts rewards is 0.67764536. Subtract from that my current confirmed and unconfirmed balances, and it comes out to 0.58338730 BTC missing.
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RSantana: I don't understand; why are you keeping your wallet on your server? Shouldn't it be kept on a different machine? As a retailer, you only need to collect payment except for the occasional refund (which you can do manually), which means your wallet doesn't have to be on the server at all, right? Or am I missing something here? I thought only exchanges like Mt.Gox that have to pay Bitcoins out in addition to accepting them had to worry that much about security, because they have to actually have a wallet file on a machine connected to the server. I mean, a hacker could still put up a fake BTC address on your site if it got compromised, but that's not the same degree of problem as losing your whole wallet...
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I am still unable to get to deepbit using the deepbit selection in gui.. 8:10 AM EST -5 GMT my block(s) are 98.70.*.* What do you mean ? Is the website working for you ? Or you can't access the site AND can't mine ? 'deepbit selection in gui' would imply my miner. I am also not able to get the website to respond. It would seem the few that have connected are just getting lucky and squeaking in a connection between attacks..... The site is somewhat slow, so I gather the attacks are still going, but the website seems relatively stable to me, and my miner is connected and running. (I really should have looked into setting up backup pools earlier, but as it is the miner's pointed at deepbit and I've been busy lately so I couldn't mess with it.)
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Back up. It's a bad day when I'm being told I'm 1% of Deepbit...
(I run 1.4 GH/s)
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Only 2 of 4 cards running, but that'll be fixed, eventually... ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F1C7HL.jpg&t=664&c=X9DCXeKu3xbfOg) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKEQtN.jpg&t=664&c=GgqaS6K6wTjXgw)
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I'm running only 2 of 4 cards, numbers 1 and 3 (numbering 1-4 from left), but with this setup I'm getting temps in the 66-71 range. These are the "open" style ones, right? (Sapphire 100282 Xtreme)
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Well, unfortunately the rig is set up at school, and I'm about to leave for home, so I want to leave it mining. As such, and because there may also be difficulties with booting, I don't want to risk reboots at this point. So I'll be back in two weeks and I'll work on it then. I'm thinking this is probably a mobo issue, and the booting issues mean the hdd is suspect too.
tl;dr I'm going to just leave it running at half capacity for two weeks until I get back. (I have someone in town who can come and get it back up if it goes down.)
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With no cards in the x1-x16 slots, I can't get any display, even though it appeared that the computer was functional (though I have no way of knowing that for certain without the display). Just moved the power arrangement around to see if that had any effect. While the power is distributed more properly now, I still have the same situation: only two cards read by poclbm.
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I'm running an Nforce 570SLIT-A v5.1 motherboard. There are four 5850s, on riser cables as I said in first post. The two that are working (I can tell because they get hot) are the ones on the x1-x16 risers. These show up in poclbm and aticonfig, and aticonfig shows temps and clocks for both of them. The other two, both on x16-x16 risers, appear under aticonfig --lsa but I can't see clock speeds or temps for them, and they don't show up in poclbm.
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jh1523:
So I looked at the manual, and it says that: "PCIE3 slot will be disabled when PCIE4 slot is installed." Thing of it is, PCIE3 slot is an x1 slot--one of the ones that works. PCIE4 is an x16 slot, which doesn't work. Huh?
Anyway, the issue has changed. Now all 4 show up in aticonfig, but I can only get temps/clock speeds for 2 of them, and only those 2 show up in poclbm. I've got 2 cards mining now so as to at least do some, but I'd really like to get the others going. All help is appreciated, and thanks to those who have posted so far.
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Um yeah, so I wanted to post a question in a guide thread, but couldn't because you guys presume guilt, like some kind of third-world country. Can I not have to be stuck here? Thanks.
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