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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the NSA stealing coins? on: October 29, 2014, 08:00:21 PM

Yes, I remember all the times I was questioned and stopped by the police, not to mention taken into custody while living in US.

Every single time, they asked for bribes or 'gifts'. Not once have I had a decent experience with them and they always beat me.
No.
Funny you try to wiggle out of it all by claiming 'by educational standards and social norms'. I think you should enjoy the relatively uncorrupted places where police literally fucks you in the ass and wallet because you understand their 'educational standard and social norms'.
You got some serious problem with selective bitching here. Are you so fucked in the head you can't stand facts anymore?

Maybe you are a police officer or feel the need to defend them for some other reason.

My objective is the truth. Your objective is defending your buddies or appeasing authority maybe.

Police in the United States steal. A lot.

The specific question was whether rogue employees of the nsa or similar agencies steal coin wallets.

They have opportunity, motive. Is stealing coins compatible with their ethics?
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the NSA stealing coins? on: October 28, 2014, 12:21:44 AM

Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?

If you think up a unique patent then it is the product of your labour and belongs to you as much as your physical property.

All through history, in every human society as well as among animals ideas have not been proprietary. It is only in a tiny slice of industrial society that an idea like that occurs.

However the posession of a local commodity, usually food, is common through history also in every society including among animals.

Perhaps the first question is whether a bitcoin wallet falls in the category of actual wealth, like a handful of food, or abstract wealth like an idea. In either case theft by government employees is for their personal gain and an abuse of power, in no way resemb!ing the use of an idea.

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answering the question is based on our assumption, meaningless.
 

It is more than assumption, a person takes evidence from their experience.

I have lived in places where it is common for police officers to steal. I have even been outright robbed by a police oifficer in addition to numerous incidents of police in various countries asking for 'a gift' or 'something to remember you by'.

All things taken into account, including educational standards and social norms, I consider the police in the United States to be the most corrupt among those in the many countries I have visited. Among U.S. po!ice I think NYC has a level of corruption that is ignored despite its being staggering. So in the original post I linked to an article.
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
 And I ask, considering what is known of police habits around the world, but especvially in the United States, does that article cause any worry that perhaps the NSA would not frown on its employees making extra money by stealing cryptocoins?
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][HUC] Huntercoin - decentralized game/crypto UPDATE 1.0.13b 23/10/2014 on: October 27, 2014, 12:45:51 AM
HUC is very cheap right now. The promotion of bots, which hurts the value of the coin so that a few individuals can benefit, explains why some people are tepid toward the coin. Still it seems like it should pick back up soon.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the NSA stealing coins? on: October 27, 2014, 12:36:06 AM

Yes, people will steal other peoples "ideas" especially if you rank up high with your metadata, you wouldn't be able to know that they stole it, most would just disregard it and assume that someone else has thought of the same idea.

Ideas are meant to be used by anyone. Nobody 'owns' an idea.

Coin wallets are different, a store of personal wealth.

I am wondering if rogue groups of NSA analysts might use their unfettered access to computers to steal cryptocoins?
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you all idiots? ...or what? on: October 26, 2014, 09:24:10 PM
If Bitcoin is going to take off, you've got to use it.  I just talked to a customer service guy at Newegg.  He said 'hardly anyone' pays with bitcoin.  He said he's only dealt with two orders done in Bitcoin. 

If you've got bitcoin, go spend some buying cool shit at Newegg or Overstock.  The whole thing will fall apart if Merchants start seeing it as a waste of time. 

Don't wait, buy some shit today!  What are you - an idiot?

The question "what are you - an idiot?" is also the answer.

If you do not trust the future of cryptocurrency, if you think it is a scam that must be hyped and pumped, then you are right.

But for people who know more about economies and finance there is no need to use pushy manipulation. Only patience.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the NSA stealing coins? on: October 26, 2014, 09:10:27 PM
...people intrusted with valuable information will monetize it...

That is one way to word it.

My curiousity artises specifically though because certain large thefts seems to have occurred having used information only available through government, information otherwise technologically impossible to obtain, and there would seem to have been efforts to hide the source of that information.

I am not going to elaborate on that, and I am sure there are many people who are suspicious of agencies like the NSA, but I am wondering who has noticed that which I refer to in the previous paragraph.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is the NSA stealing coins? on: October 26, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
Some time back my computer was hacked and I lost some coins. Reviewing all the evidence, including information from Kaspersky, it seemed likely someone in  Russian government law enforcement position might have been involved.

Recently I read the following article on the Intercept
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/24/nsa-official-implicated-potential-conflicts-interest-resigns/
It occured to me that the people who have that sort of power are usually either very clean or very crooked. Historically in offices like that there is an ultracorrupt leadership that employes a layer of squeeky clean people for legitimacy.

So reading the above article do you think there are teams at the NSA who aggressively steal coin wallets?

Edit to add
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2812728/British-spies-American-s-telephone-calls-emails-without-warrant-reveals-legal-challenge-UK.html
The NSA and GCHQ each have tens of thousands of employees.
Each has a reputation too for trying to present a false ethical atmosphere around their leaders.
Many other comparable services in other countries are the same but with even poorer ethics.
So the question is not "Do they steal", but " How many of them steal?" and "Is there any way to force accountability?".

Note too that these agencies overwhelmingly prefer to avoid punishing bad employees to avoid publicity. A few years ago the CIA station chief in Algeria was caught luring women to his home, administering knockout drugs and then raping the women. The problem quickly disappeared and a person can guess that employee was promoted to a position with less supervision so the problem, i.e., publicity, will not recur.
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