It's funny that nobody is arguing with this video:

https://youtu.be/YdzJTIaVZx8

You failed to answer my question or to even acknowledge if your power or internet ceases to function (for whatever reason), what then is bitcoin? What's wrong that you can't answer this question?
I'll reiterate in case you forgot. A STORE OF VALUE needs to be functional 100% of the time - otherwise it's NOT a store of value.
The physical gold in my possession doesn't rely on a miner, an ISP, or a power company for me to complete a transaction. However, if you are without even 1 of those things your bitcoin is then WORTHLESS. What then is a store of value? It's hard to accept the truth sometimes, and the truth is you might not always have power, you might not always have internet, and miners might not take your transaction... You are reliant, there's risks. Gold doesn't suffer from risks, you cannot and will not convince me otherwise.

In response to your response to my response...

1. If we are comparing apples to oranges, bitcoin mining consumes 150 terawatt-hours of electricity annually at the current rate, looking into the future as mining becomes more difficult, this will lead to an increase in carbon emissions and ever increasing TWh use - bitcoin will continue burning more fossil fuels than gold mining operations combined, and will do so every single year without decline. Leading to a much more destructive pattern than gold on the environment. Gold doesn't require a network backbone to function, whereas bitcoin does. Therefore and by extension, bitcoin will always remain energy intensive and reliant on something else in order to function, and will always be REQUIRED to sustain. Cross 1 off your list. Diesel is not required (fixed your spelling mistake). It's being used today for convenience and efficiency. Diesel didn't exist until roughly the turn of the 19th century, therefore diesel is not and was never required - it's optional.

2. Roads and transport are used to deliver products, are you telling me that without roads and transport people wouldn't be able to use their gold? Oh my, I wonder how the Ancient Egyptians or countless civilizations managed without your brilliant insight and their cars 7,000 years ago to be able to transport or use gold... Cross 2 off your list. Roads weren't around 7,000 years ago... Again, not required - optional.

3. Again, mining gold can be done without these methods and without much of a carbon footprint as seen with historical mining, although much less efficiently - long before diesel existed... There's no way around burning fossil fuels to mine bitcoin, and as stated before will require increasing amounts of energy consumption to sustain... No. Way. Around. It... Gold doesn't require any of these things, it's a matter of convenience and efficiency. Cross 3 off your list.

What then are we left with.......

4. Buyer - required.
5. Seller - required.

Congratulations on wasting your time and mine, as well as the electricity and calories for my laptop and body to respond. Like bitcoin, your off to great start at not being more efficient.


- What exactly did you fix?
- The way I see this is I have to keep on 'schooling' you for free - I'm a nice guy like that... On the other hand I'm not volunteering to repay your student loan debt because you decided to not pay attention to all the warning signs. This time a freebie, next time will cost you.


- Bitcoin is all done online it doesn't ask questions - however the exchange(s) ALWAYS ask, there is an entry point and exit point, there is a PUBLIC LEDGER of all your transactions, there are numerous exploits that the general public is unaware of, underlying flaws that you conveniently continue to overlook or fail to mention. Have you ever heard of a company called chainalysis? They work with the Feds to find out who owns the wallets that have illicit proceeds, as does the IRS.... Are you being intentionally evasive to the facts?... are you unaware that AML/KYC laws shadow the crypto space today? Walk into any coin shop or precious metals dealer and they make it their mission to protect your identity, they make it a point to not ask questions.

- You were probably one of the same people back when it first started that was yelling from the rooftops "the government can't track you, it's used by criminals", "it's decentralized", "it can't be hacked", "you can't be taxed", "you can be traced"... Even with VPN's the NSA can EASILY and quickly find out exactly who owns what wallets by monitoring and decrypting internet traffic, mostly done using AI. And just as easily empty your online wallet as easy as the patriot act gave them the ability to freeze and seize your bank account... How are you not keeping up with this, or are those bitcoin blinders causing tunnel vision?

- One thing I noticed is that you, as well as many others here are completely biased or not as educated on the subject as you're leading the viewing public to believe. Causing more confusion and chaos than it's ultimately worth.

- And lastly responding to your comment... I really don't see how terrorism is relevant or ties into what is a store of value.


- I challenge you to look through any electronic device your holding or using that connects to the internet for what is known as a MAC address (Media Access Control address) - I bet you will find it because every piece of hardware that connects to the internet has one, and that's all the info the government or bad actor needs to tie an identity to you, to figure out who that wallet(s) belong(s) to, and to just as easily see your other crypto and banking holdings, as well as any and all internet activity.

Please try to keep up... Hint: Your MAC address narrowed down to your IP address (Internet Protocol address), narrowed down to the make and model of your device, narrowed down to your internet or phone service provider (who also has all your personal identifiable information), narrowed down to your exact GPS location (within 3 feet), narrowed down to name and all known aliases, address(es), birth date, social security number, bank account(s) (which also have all your personal information on file), complete profile of you, your porn preferences, crypto wallet holdings, all transactions to and from your bitcoin wallet, all known associates and name of customer with internet service - YOU, and by extension leaving a permanent online paper trail of everything you ever did online. Wow, you didn't give your name... Congratulations, you are starting to test my patience for stupidity.

- Wanna know how I know you are wrong and don't really know what you're talking about? I was arrested by the FBI, NSA, DHS, Secret Service, US Marshals, local and state police departments for operating an online business single handedly hacking cable modems and giving users on a global scale free untraceable internet access as well as gaming console and numerous FTA exploits... So please forgive me for pointing out my experience on this as this is my field of expertise. Crypto can be taken away from you without a moments notice at the stroke of a key, it's happened to many people already, and also to people with all the technical know how to store their coins from prying eyes... It maybe hasn't happened to you (yet), but if and when it does will you still be singing the same song and dance as you are now when your wallets get emptied? You might not take my word for it, but what about John McAfee?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syI9X_uKvUA

Is he crazy, he also doesn't know what hes talking about? What I wanna know is what experience or credentials do you have to be educating someone on the intricacies of online digital currencies or stores of value?


- Gold is STORED in vaults, it's not at all reliant on a vault to function... Without vaults gold has the same utility as it always has, it doesn't RELY on anything except the buyer and seller... use your brain man... KYC is now blanketed across the entire crypto space for ANY amount purchased in bitcoin. You are automatically being tracked. Gold is hand to hand person to person. Yes, there is a degree of KYC with gold when done ONLINE, but generally only applies to amounts that exceed $10,000. Globally, I can offer to buy something using gold and 9 times out of 10 they will accept it on the spot without asking me where I got it, or who I am. Bitcoin on the other hand is not so forgiving since there is a permanent online paper trail leading back to you.
-You mean to tell me that without pawn shops or merchants that gold would just cease to function as a medium of exchange store of value, unit of account, and all the other necessary properties to fall into the category of MONEY? All due respect but thousands of years of history, and every collapse known to man contradicts your statements, it's managed to endure to this point and retain as a store of value... Without the need for a handheld device... 100% anonymous and untraceable. If you even bring up serial numbers I'm gonna e-smack you... gold can be melted down, and nobody would be the wiser of where it came from or who owned it before you. bitcoin on the other hand... public ledger!


- Exactly my point. They DO NOT have to process your transactions, miners are REQUIRED in order for confirmations to be completed for a transaction to go completely through. Without a miner to process your transaction you are SOL. I use to be a big bitcoin miner, trust me on this. No way around or out of a miner to process ALL transactions. If that's necessary, since when does a store of value require the need for a third party to process a transaction? It never did before. What I see is man creating another problem without a solution. Imagine back when gold was first discovered how ridiculous it would sound to "ask" the government permission to buy or sell something using gold and then give them a small cut for them allowing you, that' just crazy. And that's essentially what miners can do... They don't like the fee you pay, they can deny your transaction, and you're left in shits creek with just oars and no boat... No store of value.



I can't keep explaining all the different ways that you are incorrect about this, it's wasting my time - that's why I stopped after the miner comment. I think I made my point. I am willing to bet you've never actually held an ounce of gold in your hands so to speak about it is a disservice to everyone viewing this nonsense. Bitcoin is fragile and reliant on a system that is collapsing... Can you guarantee that your power or internet will be on tomorrow? Exactly. And while you're at it, try rewording Article 1 Section 10 of the USC to telling people that instead of gold and silver to repay debts, bitcoin is then rebranded from currency to money. Good luck let us know how that works out.

All I really see here on these boards is random people without any technical knowledge putting their $0.02 in and blatantly spreading misinformation that is potentially damaging to an individual person from gaining a proper perspective and accurate education on these topics. And most likely will one day lead to great loss of a persons time. It's refreshing to see that attempting to teach rocket science to penguins is about as useful as trying to reason with people here. The truth is you simply lack the understanding to comprehend what an actual store of value is. This is the last post I make about this.

If your electric has gone out for nonpayment of the bill, or because of rampant runaway inflation, or because of some other unforseen event (as demonstrated in so many countries GLOBALLY) where's the store of value?
What good is a store of value that cannot be used?
If your internet goes down, where's the store of value?
If ISP's/phone providers choose to block certain MAC addresses, who has stores of value and who are the unlucky ones?

The point I'm trying to make is that an ACTUAL STORE OF VALUE needs to be accessible 100% of the time for utilization, and not just some of the time.

You cannot guarantee the power grid will be here tomorrow, nor can you guarantee that your internet will be working when you want it to, nor can you guarantee that the mining farms will stay decentralized, nor can you guarantee that a miner will process your transaction when you need them to...

A STORE OF VALUE is NOT reliant on more than 2 things to function properly;

1. The Buyer.
2. The Seller.

That's it. Gold and Silver were chosen because they are perfect for fulfilling that role, without any FLAWS, without any downtime or reliance on anything else. Nothing will ever replace them, people have tried, and have always failed.

bitcoin on the other hand REQUIRES;

1. Electrical grids.
2. Internet Service Providers.
3. Miners to process your transaction.
4. AML/KYC.
5. Buyer.
6. Seller.

And that's not even counting all the exploits that exist that are unknown to you, anything digital can be easily stolen, hacked, confiscated, seized, etc... I prefer my store of value to be physical, that works irregardless of power or internet outages, government having the ability to track what I'm doing, or some kid in his garage with a laptop that can empty my wallet without my say so... That's NOT a store of value. It has FLAWS. Plain and simple.

I can't believe you people are this naive - it's been around less than 20 years and your so certain of it's future, based on what exactly? That it's flawless?.... Hardly. Not even close to a store of value imho.

I can guarantee gold and silver will be working 24/7 and will never rely on anything besides the buyer and seller. That's the hard to swallow truth of the matter. Gold and Silver have been here since the beginning of time and will be around until the end of time. Can the same be said for bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrecy?

It's amazing the level of bias from the members on these boards. You are all on a shared delusion. How long has bitcoin existed? Has it existed more than 100 years? 200 years? How long have you been alive?

Case and point gold and silver were here long before, and will be here long after both you, and bitcoin (the man made invention) are gone.

Governments can and will squash it if they want and there's no amount of arguing that will save it from becoming put under so much regulation that nobody will use it.

Store of value doesn't shed 40% of it's value... That's indicative of a ponzi scheme. How about lets talk about the trading bots that ultimately control the market, or am I a conspiracy theorist for pointing this out?

I expect completely biased individuals to jump in and try to rationalize all the ways that I'm supposedly wrong. But the fact is you all cannot argue with history, and what world banks and governments are stockpiling. Don't forget, they can blow you up, at that point your monetary pipe dream theories all go out the window.

So based on your think tank analysis of "most governments", they don't understand bitcoin?
Maybe they don't understand it the way that I do, but they are intelligent enough to stop any potential threats to their current financial system when it pertains to online digital dollars. The internet relies on ISP's, who are regulated by government oversight - if the government wants to strangle the life out of bitcoin, that's within their realm of power - as amply shown with current AML/KYC laws. Internet service providers are more than happy to comply since they work together. Indisputable facts.


Again, underestimating and attempting to undermine the people in charge of the current system just demonstrates your lack of understanding and ignorance of the people in charge. They are alot more dangerous and in control than you realize. You are making snap judgements based on what exactly? One thing I learned is to never underestimate anyone, ever. Especially governments. You are basically telling me and the world by posting here that "most governments" don't understand economics? Sure they do, they created this flawed system we use today (by design i might add), that you still continue to be a part of and utilize.

Governments collectively might not understand the code, or how each block is determined, but they understand very well that without power or internet that bitcoin = nothing. Seriously, you are making me feel like I'm teaching astrophysics to a penguin. First let's cover some baby steps, I understand everyone learns at a different pace here so I'll go slow...

Who invented the internet, and for what primary use?
The internet indeed began as a typical government program. The ARPANET, designed to share mainframe computing power and to establish a secure military communications network. You honestly believe that they didn't understand or envision the potential when they created the backbone on which your cryptos operate and where we are having this argument right now? Let's not forget about the NSA, yeah your friends that spy on all your communications and log everything you do online... You going to tell me they don't understand bitcoin either, when in fact it was one of their own mathematicians (Glenn M. Lilly) that actually created it. - search patent 6829355. My honest opinion to you, and majority of others arguing opinions based outside of logic is that you might think about spending more time researching history and facts rather than news articles that perpetuate foolish beliefs.

- Flawed logic.

The government/federal reserve can print as much currency as they want... liquidity isn't an issue when you control the issuance of currency into the system. There is nothing to stop them from doing this at will.


This is one area where I agree with you to a point. They generally are not educated about crypto-currency, however their main role is to speak to the general public with a pre-determined script written by higher ups. They are just smart enough to do the paperwork, understanding something isn't their role when it comes to speaking, same way that presidents aren't hired to be brilliant. There is someone pulling the levers behind the curtains.



Except for the fact that I accurately predicated the exact price range and the exact time (exactly 3 days before in one instance, and then 7.5 months out from the date I uploaded it mooned, 2 x in a row with 100% success and accuracy), case and point:

https://youtu.be/eqZHzbP2Fe4

Make sure to check the date of upload, compared to the bitcoin price 7.5 months from that exact date... Tell me what I missed exactly. Explain please, teach the class here...

Still believe I don't understand bitcoin, and I don't know what I'm talking about? I was arrested by the government (a few 3 letter agencies) for my work with reverse engineering firmware and giving countless people (globally) free untraceable internet access... Also, I began mining bitcoin in 2008-2016 and am a Network Architect in distributed systems from 2001-current... What credentials do you have to be lecturing anyone about crypto's, let alone governments?


No comment, not because I agree but because it's not worth my time to explain.



Me: I hide my gold at an undisclosed location, or in my house... Please, tell me where it is... confiscate it and it's yours. bitcoin is on a PUBLIC LEDGER... How many people know I have gold if I walk into a coin shop or buy from an individual on the street, or sell to an individual on the street? NONE. How many people know when your bitcoin exchanges hands? EVERYONE - PUBLIC LEDGER! When someone purchases, or cashes out, AML/KYC laws are right there waiting... Gold doesn't suffer the burden of having 24/7 surveillance. I can buy it without giving my personal info, I can sell it just the same. Somewhere, at the very least beginning point cryptos have entrances and exits that have armed guards, metal detectors, 24/7 watch dogs... And you think Gold is somehow the same in that regard? LOL. You haven't refuted anything with logic or common sense. Power goes out or internet goes out, what do you honestly have? The simple unadulterated truth is, NOTHING, you have nothing! - FACT. Power goes out, internet goes out and I have gold... I have that barbarous relic that you undermined, meanwhile you have nothing to give, and nothing to take... Your store of value, then becomes a store of nothingness, you have nothing in your hands to hold on to.

That's not even touching on the subject of crypto-currencies already being reverse engineered (and in fact they ARE!), you think that hacks and exploits that you haven't heard about don't exist? I personally know they do because of my line of work I have seen first hand individuals and exchanges alike have their crypto wallets completely emptied! They now have NOTHING, and nobody to call to get it back!.. Still not grasping simple laymans term concepts here? You own NOTHING until it is in PHYSICAL FORM.

Take for example I have a girlfriend in real life, and you have a long distance girlfriend... We both claim we have a girlfriend and depending on how you look at it, that's true for both of us. Take into consideration I'm with my girlfriend everyday, and all you can do is videochat yours... Then one day you find out that your online girlfriend is really my in person girlfriend that I sleep with everynight, she tells me what a sucker you are, sending her money, and meanwhile shes giving it to me...

Question: Who has the girlfriend? Who gets to touch her? Who holds her everynight? who has sex with her? - Same analogy for money, if YOU DON'T HOLD IT, YOU DON'T OWN IT!
Answer: I have the girlfriend, you have NOTHING!


Me: Lets simply ignore all those without power, and in alot of third world countries intermittent power outage and complete power failures have become more commonplace, but because you and I have electric, that must mean we all do... HAHA! Bitcoin cannot be censored? I actually thought you were serious but then I quickly realized you can't be serious. This has to be a joke... Again, I use to be a bitcoin miner... The miners can refuse transactions for any number of reasons. If I don't want to take your transaction, I don't have to. However, if the government decides to come in and take over all the mining operations and centralize the entire project like they have been doing in various fashions, you now are at a loss for words or able to argue completely. If the government doesn't want it to take place (online), then it won't! They have that power to change what you imagined was a store of value to a store of nothing, with a few laws, and a few armed men to come in and take over everything.


Me:
Gold is a thing of the past, also of the present, and future... Again, here you go again prematurely judging, myself and others, as well as things you have no place speaking about... How many times do you need to be taught a lesson? You think because I only have 41 posts that makes you more knowledgeable? All that means is you spend a lot more time arguing online than actually working in real life.


Me:
Lets quickly look up how fast and frequently the governments and banks in those countries are buying physical precious metals... And lets compare to their crypto holdings.. ouch, speechless now? Gonna tell everyone the government doesn't understand or is somehow naive? When the fact is you're the one that's been completely manipulated and brainwashed into thinking you have something, the fact is you have nothing but an empty bag - until your bitcoin is cashed out.




Me: Anyone can buy gold... It's dependent on supply and demand, gold actually has real world uses and utility (intrinsic value) outside of being a monetary instrument. Bitcoin has no utility other than to store information, it has no intrinsic value. And you're going to tell me that something that has intrinsic value is a thing of the past, and something that has none is a store of value? I am almost to the point of calling you a lost cause. I never imagined someone could be as slow as the level of incoherent arguments that you are displaying here. Closed circle of adoption? Explain then how the entire world knows what it is and has sought it out since it was first discovered... Many civilizations, actually EVERY civilization, has treasured it. Maybe you don't understand gold, because you've never actually held an ounce of gold in your hands?



I'm sure you could do this all day, considering the very likely possibility that your living in your parents basement eating cheetos and taco bell and collecting government stimulus... You share the herd mentality, and like all herds they are actively being led to slaughter. I'll take my chances and follow the retards that are stupid and don't understand bitcoin, yet they keep buying gold and giving bitcoin back to idiots like you. Please, don't waste my time again by taking up space on my computer screen with your nonsensical arguments.

My assessment based on your level of understanding is that you suffer from what is known as "cognitive dissonance":

Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong.
When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted.
It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance.
And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.

Time and experience will show you people.

You think the governments don't know or understand whats going on?

Why would they hoard precious metals and auction bitcoin, you think they are in the dark on this or you people on these forums are somehow more educated and intelligent than the people running the show from behind the scenes?

You all have a rude awakening coming.

IF bitcoin is a store of value, why doesn't the government hoard it for themselves, you think the people working at the NSA don't understand bitcoin?... it's their hashing algorithm. What about the news media outlets telling the general public it was only used by criminals and the government can't track it... Tell me how quickly you people let go of that delusion when the AML/KYC laws came home to roost.

All I see on these forums is a shared delusion for a 14 year old man-made invention. Likely perpetuated by the fact that 99.999% of people here have a vested interest in bitcoin/crypto-currency.

You would think that after every economic collapse people would be able to figure out that they will never beat the government, or their plans. Gold has and always will be part of their plan. bitcoin on the other hand, they will seize yours, then auction it off. They won't do that with gold.

Hard asset: Gold - 6000+ years and counting. Governments cannot stop it, so they hoard it instead.
Empty space: Bitcoin - 14 years with too many flaws to count. Governments can regulate it to death.

Yeah, bitcoin is about to get it's baby teeth knocked out by reality.

- Power failure = no bitcoin.
- Power costs get too high to sustain infrastructure = no bitcoin.
- Internet outage = no bitcoin.
- No electronic device = no bitcoin.
- Miners don't accept transaction = no bitcoin.
- You lose your income to pay for electric, internet, phone service = no bitcoin.
- Government takes over any of these major things = no bitcoin.

Let's see it remain a "store of value" if any of these things happens. Gold works regardless of all these things, that cannot be controlled.

Not to mention how many cyber threats that lurk in the shadows that you are oblivious to, what if a foreign nation hacks our power grid and shuts everything down, or a terrorist attack that knocks out electronic devices. It wouldn't take much to take out a large portion of the US.... How will you transact then?

bitcoin is fragile, and relies on so many other things to be able to function. Gold is just there, as it always has been, waiting to prove you wrong.

Too many things can go wrong with bitcoin, check Murphy's Law.

As the world goes into an economic collapse even more you think that's going to be sustained?
By what, your hopes and dreams? You gonna force the people that have no clue about what bitcoin is to use it?

I don't need to explain gold or silver to anyone because everyone already knows what they are.

People generally sell broken phones and computers and other electronics for parts, ebay is a prime example. In many cases people save the broken PCB's to extract the precious metals...

Gold has never been actually physically taken from citizens here in the USA, and even if they tried, people can come up with alot more creative ways of hiding them that make it not worth it for the government to even try...

Bitcoin can in fact be seized, if hackers can steal it, then the government can steal it... with alot more ease than physically trying to find someones precious metals....
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/04/22/seized-silk-road-bitcoin-to-clear-ross-ulbrichts-183-million-debt/

Bitcoin is on a public ledger, even if you coinjoin or mixed, chainalysis can work with law enforcement and seize them... You're not really hiding anything, your obfuscating, and they can easily figure that out.

As a matter of fact, you're a genius... if only humans invented this thing called a smelter to melt precious metals down so there wouldn't be any serial numbers.... Cmon bro, what are you like 12?

Worldwide, the ANNUAL manufacture of high-tech products (PCs, cell phones, tablet computers and other electronic and electrical devices) uses some $21 billion worth of gold and silver (320 tons and 7,500 tons, respectively).

What you're proposing is in fact, ridiculous. $21 billion/year isn't negligible. That's just in electronics alone, not counting all it's many other real world uses where it cannot ever be recovered once it's used. Once it's been put into electronics if those electronics are thrown away, the precious metals that were used in said electronics can never be recovered.

I just don't see how people can bother arguing about precious metals, they have and always will be stores of value that NOTHING man made will ever replace. They were here since the beginning of time, and will be here until the end of time. I'd like to see a person create something better than nature. It's yet to happen. I'll place my bets with nature as the winner, no contest. Keep living in fantasy land.

Governments are auctioning off bitcoin to fools like you, while purchasing precious metals in record breaking numbers... Are you being willfully ignorant of the facts? Google how much Gold China has purchased, or Russia...

There's a reason why they are selling it to you... To track everything you do. You're about to lose the little bit of anonymity that cash brought, now that they are phasing cash out and going digital, you'll be 100% spied on and you don't even seem to care...

At least Gold and Silver still offer 100% privacy. Don't even start with monero or dash that. Its all been reverse engineered. And at the very least they can be censored by ISP's via government regulation. Tell me all about how bitcoin works outside the system, until it didn't... Funny how that story suddenly sank like the titanic.

"Store" of "Value"

A store is a place for something. Value is the worth we assign something. An object with value has some kind of tangible worth.

It may be food. It may be real estate. It may even be a collectible, in which case the value is more subjective than objective.

You may see value in a Picasso. I may not. In a zombie apocalypse, you may still see value in that Picasso, but I will prefer the objective value of a bazooka (with things to shoot from it).

If something has value, it can be exchanged with another person for something of value - and it isn't always the same thing that gets exchanged.

Money can be exchanged for food, for example.

Food can be exchanged for guns, and so on.

Suppose you live on a farm. You can harvest food from that farm. The farm remains a store of value as long as you produce food. In fact, everything involved with growing and harvesting that food is a store of value because every item is needed to create the food.

Aluminum is a store of value. We need aluminum to make some of the machinery to farm the land. Water, seeds, land - these are all stores of value.

So, if something is going to be a "store of value", it should hold that value under all but the most remote of circumstances. Its objective and subjective value may fluctuate, but over the long term, it will maintain much of that value.

The real estate market crashed in 2009, but it has recovered. Over the long term, real estate not only holds its value but its value also increases. That's because the land has many ways that value can be extracted from it, and because there is a finite amount of it. The value of that asset is stored.
Bitcoin Is Not A Store Of Anything

Bitcoin has no intrinsic value. It is not backed by any asset. It has no collectible value. It isn't even a tangible thing you can hold in your hand. It's vapor, living out there as 1s and 0s.

Talk about a ghost in a machine!

Bitcoin is not a store of or for anything. If it is a store of value, I should be able to convert fiat currency into bitcoin and bitcoin will maintain that value.

That does not happen.

Here's Bitcoin's track record at maintaining the value of US dollars over the last 3 ½ years.



That chart is not maintaining anything. It's incredibly volatile.

Bitcoin's volatility is why it is not a store of value. It is also not a store of value because nobody needs it. Gold and Silver have always remained reliable stores of value, because they are needed and used the world over.

Maybe you believe that "one day" Bitcoin will stabilize and become a store of value.

Great! But why would you hold any Bitcoin until that day arrives?

If that day comes, what if it ends up at a 1-1 exchange ratio with the US dollar and you bought it at $8,569? Not only will you have realized Bitcoin wasn't a store of value, but you'll also be poor, and very angry.

You will also have opportunity cost - what you could have earned with that money while you "maintained" it in Bitcoin.

Means of Exchange
I want to make it clear that there is a big difference between being a store of value and being a means of exchange.
Currency is not a store of value. It is a means of exchange. Currency does not retain its value because of inflation. MONEY on the other hand, (which is gold), always maintains it's purchasing power.

Bitcoin is a means of exchange, but not a reliable one.

The problem is that it is a worse means of exchange than any other stable country's currency because of its volatility.

By the time you execute a currency conversion into bitcoin, and then into another currency, there is no guarantee the value will be maintained during the exchange (discounting commissions). "Hence, exactly why bitcoin is not a store of value".

Agree, because there is no comparison. 6,000+ years vs. a 14 yr old man made invention. Keeping in mind that EVERYTHING that man has ever created was built with underlying flaws, bitcoin is no exception.

People here like to try to call a crypto-CURRENCY a store of value, just correcting their mistakes.

Gold is replaceable... With what exactly? 6000+ years of monetary history disagrees with you, and most other people posting here today.
All due respect, I personally prefer to follow the world banks and governments since they always manage to retain control (throughout history), and no offense to you, they are alot more organized and quite frankly, more intelligent than the herd mentality that you, and so many other people share today.

Gold is only formed when a star explodes, lets see you replicate that, or explain how? Tricked? Artificially scarce? I really don't care if you buy gold or bitcoin, however banks and governments prefer if you didn't buy gold... They would like to buy it instead, as they have all (ALL WORLD BANKS AND GOVERNMENTS) have been purchasing more reserves in record numbers than ever before. Maybe they know something that you don't? You think you can somehow become more powerful than a world government using a crypto-currency? Show me...

Value is relative, gold has MAINTAINED it's purchasing power, it offers stability in ANY AND ALL economic situations, that's a fact that the world governments and banks seem to be alot more privy to than you. What an ounce of gold purchased 2000 years ago it is still able to purchase the same today in terms of goods and services. If it could be replaced by something else, then why hasn't it?

Let's talk about artificial since you mentioned it... JP Morgan as well as numerous other banks have been artificially suppressing the price with paper derivatives. They have been brought up multiple times on price manipulation. They are keeping the physical price artificially low so they can buy up as much physical as possible. Meanwhile your government auctions off bitcoin... You think they are dumb, or you are somehow smarter than them? How come they don't see it as valuable as you and alot of other sheep today? I can't wait to see the look on your face when your left holding empty space...

Honestly, I would rather follow the people that manipulated you into thinking crypto currency is only used by criminals and can't be tracked, lets take a look at all the AML/KYC laws and then tell me your going to have economic freedom... First touted as a currency that the government can't track or tax, the taxes are coming due, make sure you file bro. Can't track my gold and silver though.

Electronics buy and large all require silver and gold for their electrical conductivity properties that other metals cannot compete with when it comes to size and efficiency, if you choose lets say copper for example to replace silver, your electronic equipment would be roughly 11% larger and heavier and 7% less energy efficient. Lets try replacing mining equipment with copper instead of silver, and tell me how much more space would be required, and how much less efficient the equipment would be. The same basic principle applies across the board for all electronics, as you mentioned there won't be a perfect outcome. However, supply and demand dictate that consumers the world over require efficiency.

Case and point, people demand compact, efficient devices. It's general supply and demand. Sure bitcoin is scarce relative to other cryptocurrencies to some degree, but what happens to the value if the infrastructure becomes highly inefficient (which it is if you look at how much energy it consumes in order to compute each block today). It was a great idea, but physically speaking you cannot hold on to it. Take into account power or internet outages that are ongoing (which is the case in alot of countries suffering from economic poverty), what's it worth at that point when you cannot send or receive payments? What's the solution? Additionally, what if consumer electronic devices are too expensive for everyday people to afford, how will they transact?

Store of value can only be experienced through long term value stability. Bitcoin is unpredictable, and volatile. If and when it becomes stable (price wise), then and only then does it earn the right to be declared "store of value".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41GPPhLkhI&t=30s

Keeping in mind the most important factor, without gold and silver, all electronic equipment wouldn't exist = bitcoin would not exist. Computers, phones, tv's, etc ALL require silver and gold to be manufactured.

Finally someone here that's actually critically thinking without the cult mentality. You are 100% correct. The mentality here is "I'm going to ride it up, then sell to someone at a higher price than I paid"... Let's see how well crypto's age vs inflation, hacks, unknown exploits to the general public, the NSA's involvement in bitcoin - already reverse engineered, people think their online funds are safe, sad mistake that the herd will soon realize - if you don't hold it, you don't own it!... Some people are about to learn a hard lesson in economics. If bitcoin is worth $1 trillion each, lets see the look on peoples' faces when a loaf of bread is $20 trillion...

All I see here is the FOMO mentality, possibly from poor bastards that lost everything in their pension and/or stocks and are $1 away from committing suicide.

The only REAL MONEY is outlined in our constitution - Article 1 Section 10. Pretty sure it doesn't say bitcoin or cryptocurrency, so to the advocates, good luck re-writing history!

My YouTube channel was seized. But I'll make sure to message you months before it happens. If I said in 2 years then I would understand your point, however I said between 7-8 months and that's exactly when it went up... Lucky guess, coincidence? Or maybe just a keen understanding of what drives the price. I have only made 2 price predictions, in 2017 and in 2020, so far 100% accuracy within days of major price movement.

How are those English and grammar lessons treating you?
Better than your insight into the direction crypto-currencies are heading. It's ponzi scheme. Try beating trading bots and miners, or how about those government regulations that are crippling the digital space... Have fun at the bottom of the pyramid where they will put you when all is said and done. Your wallets will be hacked and taken in the not too distant future. Mark my words. The NSA is going to take everything. You ever played musical chairs? This era we are heading into will teach you a potentially valuable lesson.

I'll be the guy telling you "I told you so". - Not fear mongering, I don't care if you have bitcoin... Keep it, sell it, doesn't matter to me. I'm not invested so I'm not biased like 99.99% of people posting here.

Instead of watching the video and being proven wrong you sit in your predetermined bubble trolling from the sidelines with nothing to back your claims.

Actually, investors don't determine the price, trading bots and major miners do. You won't beat AI, you won't beat the miners... - how do you think I was correct about the actual price 2 x in a row when it went up? I'm up 2 x without being wrong as shown in my videos - recorded in advance, and accurately priced & timed! Please save the mindless jargon for someone else. You are probably one of the same people that tell people the government can't track your transactions...

What are your credentials?

I was arrested by the FBI, DHS, NSA, US Marshals and shut down by USDOJ with a complaint brought forth by Comcast because I have an intricate knowledge of how DOCSIS standards as well as cryptography opererates, trust me when I tell you this is my area of expertise, has been from a very early age.

Wow... 21 million of a digital asset as you call it that's already suffered countless hacks, most of which people are completely unaware of. Exchanges, as well as the most experienced individuals having their digital currency stolen or seized by hackers and governments. Public ledger - I can see exactly where  vs. you not having any clue about where my precious metals are. 6000 years of a physical hard asset that you can actually hold when the lights go out that has lasted through every collapse known to the world, vs a 14 year old man made invention. And if history is any indicator of who's going to be correct, let time and experience show you yet again.

Lastly, you won't see anyone using bitcoin or any cryptocurrency for that matter unless computers, phones, mining equipment (which require those natural resources from the earth's crust) in order to work are used in that equipment, so in that aspect the precious metals are used constantly to supply you with computers, and ALL electronics equipment. Without gold & silver being used, you have no bitcoin - as simply put as I can explain. Those precious metals are what make your crypto-currencies possible. Pay attention to the bigger picture, and not just some narrow minded view because you want to see bitcoin move a certain way.

No Gold & Silver = no electronics = no bitcoin. So lets review whats more important here. Precious metals are limited, but what we do know is that they are constantly used and dumped and can never be re-mined. Which means those precious metals are gone forever. Opinion: I prefer to hold and feel something in my hand vs looking at on a computer screen, if my internet, power, or miners have problems good luck transacting.

Gold and silver are only formed when a star explodes, lets see a person try to replicate that. The universe determined that's what actual money is. The governments and banks know this, every situation in history the government always wins against their populations - so why wouldn't you do what they do? What do you see them hoarding and buying in record numbers now more than ever?

It's amazing to see how optimistic people can be with an online currency that is brand new.

Let's talk really quick about what the banks and governments are hoarding.
Hint: It's not bitcoin.