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[13:13] <savexpy> hi huey
[13:13] <savexpy> how are you good sir
[13:16] <huey> hello
[13:16] <huey> so whats up
[13:17] <savexpy> so before we begin any kind of detailed information, i need to know what your affiliation is with gaw/homero
[13:18] <savexpy> obviously youre a trusted community member, an admin on the hashtalk forum
[13:19] <huey> detailed information?
[13:19] <huey> i dont work for GAW
[13:19] <huey> GAW doesnt tell me what to do
[13:19] <savexpy> are you related to anyone at gaw
[13:19] <huey> no
[13:19] <huey> not a single person
[13:19] <huey> look
[13:20] <huey> i came here because you asked me to
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[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> hmm
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> ok
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> is this thing working?
[13:21] <savexpy> yes
[13:21] <savexpy> i have no idea what happened, but youve got a few connections open
[13:22] <92AAAHTIH> i do?
[13:22] <savexpy> yeah youre connected to his chat twice
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[13:33] <huey> hello
[13:35] <savexpy> hey
[13:35] <huey> whats up
[13:35] <savexpy> so youre in josh's church group though, right?
[13:36] <huey> nope
[13:36] <savexpy> i thought i saw something on bitcointalk a while ago about that
[13:36] <huey> we have never attended church or the same church together
[13:36] <huey> so is this you just trying to get info ?
[13:36] <huey> cuz if so
[13:36] <savexpy> no, it's me finding out if you can be trusted
[13:37] <huey> why not just ask these question on HT
[13:37] <savexpy> because if i ask questions on ht, i get shadow banned
[13:37] <huey> me answering questions on here does not prove my trust worthyness 
[13:37] <huey> just saying
[13:39] <savexpy> anyway, lets get right down to it
[13:39] <savexpy> are you in a leading role at teampaycoin?
[13:39] <huey> yes
[13:40] <savexpy> do you run the website as well? or is that someone else
[13:40] <huey> another team member
[13:40] <huey> why?
[13:41] <savexpy> how much of the community would support a decision to break away from affiliation with gaw/homero completely
[13:41] <savexpy> in your honest opinion
[13:41] <savexpy> i see the future of this coin
[13:41] <huey> break away how?
[13:41] <savexpy> but not with homero involved at all
[13:41] <huey> most of the community has already left
[13:41] <savexpy> so either we wait for him to go to prison, or we fix the problem by removing him from the equation
[13:42] <huey> ok i see what your saying
[13:42] <huey> well
[13:42] <savexpy> what are you thoughts on it, thats most important to me
[13:43] <huey> I think i would like to say more
[13:43] <huey> but 
[13:43] <huey> i dont opperate this way
[13:44] <savexpy> what do you mean?
[13:44] <savexpy> irc?
[13:44] <savexpy> i am not asking you to give me any insider information about anyone or anything
[13:44] <savexpy> i could care less about the drama and shit with gaw and the current status of paycoin
[13:45] <savexpy> i do care about the future of it
[13:45] <huey> if you want to have a disscussion about this im willing to have a google hangout disscussion
[13:45] <huey> I care too
[13:45] <huey> thats why im talking to you
[13:45] <huey> cuz clearly you care
[13:46] <huey> but i need you to understand
[13:46] <huey> you know exactly who iam
[13:46] <huey> and my public intentions
[13:46] <huey> i on the other hand
[13:46] <huey> have no idea who you are
[13:46] <huey> thats why i dont opperate like this
[13:47] <savexpy> google hangout is what, a video chat?
[13:47] <huey> yes
[13:48] <huey> do i seem unreasonable?
[13:48] <huey> im willing to dissucss this with you
[13:49] <savexpy> as am I, but I can't say that i'm eager to video chat with you just yet
[13:49] <huey> thats fine
[13:49] <savexpy> what would the video chat prove to you
[13:50] <huey> I opperate very differently then most people on the internet and in crypto
[13:50] <huey> i use my real name when i can
[13:50] <savexpy> once I reveal to you who I am, you'll understand why I am acting this way
[13:50] <huey> i try to be consisitant and honest at all times
[13:50] <savexpy> I have a successfull business and reputation to worry about
[13:51] <huey> i understand that
[13:51] <huey> well trust is one of those things
[13:51] <huey> what about just audio
[13:51] <savexpy> if just the initial conversation of a community takeover is making you nervous
[13:51] <savexpy> then you may not be the right guy for the job
[13:51] <savexpy> i'm the guy with the tools to make it happen, youre the guy with the community
[13:51] <huey> listen
[13:52] <huey> paycoin isnt GAWS
[13:52] <huey> its not mine
[13:52] <huey> or yours
[13:52] <huey> its the worlds
[13:52] <savexpy> thats where you are wrong
[13:52] <savexpy> right now gaw owns paycoin
[13:52] <huey> as of today i am
[13:52] <savexpy> they have majority stake
[13:52] <huey> but soon ill be right
[13:53] <huey> im not nervous talking about this... because its always been my intention to give this to the world
[13:53] <huey> so like i said
[13:53] <huey> if you want to start with just audio
[13:53] <huey> im fine with that
[13:53] <huey> but honestly its hard to have a converstion through texting
[13:55] <huey> you there?
[13:55] <huey> im about to go make some lunch
[13:56] <huey> hello?
[13:56] <savexpy> im here
[13:56] <huey> ok
[13:57] <huey> so should i go get lunch?
[13:57] <huey> you dont seem to have much more to say?
[13:58] <savexpy> im perplexed that you keep demanding for video/audio chat
[13:58] <huey> well
[13:58] <huey> i thought i explained myself
[13:58] <savexpy> right, and i explained to you my need for anonymity
[13:58] <huey> but if you absolutely dont want to reveal anything about yourself then thats just as perplexing to me
[13:58] <savexpy> in the intitial stages of this, you're going to need to have faith that what I'm telling you is the truth
[13:59] <savexpy> think about this
[13:59] <huey> faith in what
[13:59] <savexpy> im not asking you to do anything
[13:59] <savexpy> im telling you my entire plan
[13:59] <huey> ok
[13:59] <savexpy> and you bring in the community at the end
[13:59] <savexpy> this entire thing has to happen stealthily or we will lose the coin to gaw permanently
[13:59] <savexpy> so if you are on board with this, you need to start thinking differently
[14:00] <savexpy> you will be making yourself a target prematurely
[14:00] <huey> in what way?
[14:00] <huey> im already a target
[14:00] <savexpy> youre not a target if youre an admin on the guys forum
[14:00] <savexpy> and leading his community
[14:00] <huey> people called my cell phone complianing... 
[14:00] <huey> people emailed my church calling me a liar
[14:00] <savexpy> im sure you get all kinds of complaints
[14:00] <huey> all i did was invest in a company
[14:00] <huey> lol
[14:01] <huey> so im already a target
[14:01] <savexpy> yeah but youre not targeted by gaw
[14:01] <huey> from people who dont share there real name
[14:01] <huey> I have admin status so i can assign teamxpy badges
[14:02] <huey> I dont mod
[14:02] <huey> or ban anyone
[14:02] <huey> but yes obviously im not fighting GAW
[14:02] <huey> or they would ban me
[14:02] <huey> lol
[14:03] <huey> And team xpy isnt gaws community
[14:03] <huey> so this whole thinking differently thing is simple to me
[14:03] <huey> you claim you can somehow take control of the coin
[14:03] <huey> ok
[14:04] <huey> if thats the case why do you need me?
[14:04] <huey> wont everyone have no choice to follow you then?
[14:04] <huey> whomever you are
[14:07] <savexpy> the reason that you are necessary is simple
[14:07] <huey> hello?
[14:07] <savexpy> without the community, the coins doesnt matter
[14:07] <savexpy> you have direct control of the community who is now bleeding out, thanks to homero
[14:08] <huey> ok
[14:08] <huey> so what do you need from me
[14:08] <huey> because there are detials that might interest you very much so
[14:08] <savexpy> you need identify who in your group you can trust, who else will be on board with this...
[14:09] <savexpy> for your protection
[14:09] <savexpy> the last thing we need is info getting leaked
[14:09] <huey> i have a core that i would trust with my life
[14:09] <huey> plan and simple
[14:10] <savexpy> i told you before, im not interested in any of the terrible things happening with gaw/xpy
[14:10] <savexpy> he's already got whats coming
[14:10] <savexpy> hes going to finish himself off
[14:10] <savexpy> we need to be focused on helping the people who's lives he ruined
[14:11] <savexpy> and the people who are once had a physical miner they bought, they were deceived in to buying vaporware miners and giving up their hardware, and then had their vaporware taken away from them with nothing in return
[14:11] <savexpy> people who converted thousands of dollars in hardware to a web page that shows its mining paycoin
[14:11] <huey> look bud... i fully understand what has transpired over the past 8 months
[14:12] <huey> if you want to talk about that im not interested in this conversation
[14:12] <savexpy> i don't want to talk about it, but you implied you had details i would be interested in
[14:12] <savexpy> so i felt the need to stress my point and intentions
[14:13] <huey> see that right there shows me a lot
[14:13] <savexpy> I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing
[14:14] <savexpy> but I am eager to rally the troops, we need to kickstart this PRIVATE discussion
[14:14] <huey> well seems to me like you're more interested in GAW then th coin
[14:14] <savexpy> i could care less about GAW
[14:14] <savexpy> i dont know how many different ways I am not interested in GAW.
[14:14] <huey> ok
[14:15] <savexpy> I can say*
[14:15] <huey> so what do i need to do to start this Private discussion
[14:15] <savexpy> I need you to find out if others in the team are on board with this idea
[14:16] <savexpy> weed out the people you can't trust
[14:16] <huey> you think we are idiots? we have disscussed it
[14:16] <savexpy> listen, i know nothing about how you guys operate or at what level of self governance
[14:16] <huey> honestly we have already weeeded out those people
[14:16] <savexpy> but its admirable that you've already brought it up
[14:17] <huey> of course you dont... you never asked
[14:17] <huey> lol
[14:17] <huey> ive personally interviewed and chatted and questioned every person on the team
[14:17] <huey> 3 rounds of interviews before anyone is extended an invite
[14:18] <huey> they are all good people
[14:18] <huey> who want to help the coin
[14:19] <savexpy> some will be intimidated by this task im sure
[14:19] <savexpy> or buckle in fear of lawsuits and threats from attorneys
[14:19] <huey> not if its the right thing to do
[14:19] <savexpy> this is a mutiny
[14:20] <savexpy> it's not going to be easy or pretty
[14:20] <savexpy> but we are doing the greater good
[14:20] <savexpy> i know many people, personal friends, that have lost a significant amount of money because of xpy
[14:20] <savexpy> i even have family members invested
[14:20] <huey> are you kidding me?
[14:20] <huey> i have family that has
[14:20] <huey> friends
[14:21] <huey> hundreds of thousands
[14:21] <huey> of there money
[14:21] <huey> gone
[14:21] <savexpy> great. so lets rally the team here
[14:21] <savexpy> do you have development staff that you can trust?
[14:21] <huey> rally around what?
[14:21] <savexpy> or is that all gaw controlled
[14:22] <huey> we have a team of 17 core devs
[14:22] <huey> none of them are controlled by GAW
[14:22] <huey> period
[14:22] <huey> i dont know how many times i have to explain that to you
[14:22] <savexpy> who controls the github
[14:23] <huey> for what 
[14:23] <huey> the coin?
[14:23] <huey> look
[14:23] <huey> this is your plan
[14:23] <huey> seriously
[14:23] <savexpy> no
[14:23] <huey> gain access.. fork it and be done?
[14:23] <savexpy> i was asking a question
[14:23] <huey> i mean you think we havnt thought of this?
[14:24] <savexpy> huey, i wasn't pitching that as a solution, i just asking the question
[14:24] <savexpy> relax a bit
[14:24] <huey> fair enough
[14:24] <savexpy> no single deed will fix this coin
[14:24] <huey> the github for the coin or what?
[14:24] <huey> the .com?
[14:24] <savexpy> the github for paycoin
[14:24] <huey> they control that
[14:25] <huey> however
[14:25] <huey> yeah.. lets just leave it at that for now
[14:25] <savexpy> i expected that, so its not a big deal
[14:26] <huey> ok
[14:26] <huey> ...
[14:27] <savexpy> my concern is we cant salvage any of the coins
[14:27] <savexpy> look at this for example
[14:27] <savexpy> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10146342#msg10146342
[14:27] <savexpy> the post by vancefox
[14:28] <savexpy> the coins look to be spread out really well, we cant identify who is who
[14:28] <huey> those numbesr are way out of date now
[14:28] <huey> fyi
[14:29] <huey> that number has shrunk
[14:30] <savexpy> is there a posting of more accurate numbers
[14:30] <huey> no i dont keep up with that crap
[14:30] <huey> its a waste of time
[14:30] <huey> most of them have not even read the source code
[14:31] <huey> our dev team already has fork ready that would apply major change to the coin.... but wouldnt kill it
[14:31] <huey> but we dont control that yet
[14:31] <savexpy> can you tell me more about the changes?
[14:32] <huey> i thought this was a disscussion about how you have the means and i have the community?
[14:32] <huey> honestly i could but at what gaim
[14:32] <huey> once again i dont really work with people i dont know
[14:32] <savexpy> right, but obviously changing the functionality of the coin to free it from the grasp of one organization is an important thing to discuss
[14:33] <savexpy> so if you've already laid the ground work for that, id be curious to hear more
[14:33] <huey> actually let me clearify ... i straight up dont work with people dont know
[14:33] <huey> ive not only laid the ground work for it
[14:33] <huey> we have plans in place to make it happen
[14:34] <savexpy> so what youre saying is i should just sit back and let you guys do it?
[14:34] <savexpy> or would you prefer some help
[14:35] <huey> well
[14:35] <huey> that depends 
[14:36] <huey> i have no idea with what you would help with
[14:36] <huey> cuz i have no idea who you are
[14:39] <huey> hello?
[14:40] <savexpy> if you cant deal with the fact that you dont know who i am right now, then so be it. but my intentions are true...
[14:40] <huey> ok
[14:41] <huey> so what at this point are you asking of me?
[14:49] <huey> ok then
[14:50] <huey> this was productive
[14:50] <huey> lol
[14:50] <savexpy> sorry, i was taking care of something
[14:51] <savexpy> i wasnt expecting you and the team to have this stuff already planned out
[14:52] <savexpy> so i need some time to think about strategy
[14:52] <huey> ok
[14:52] <huey> options 
[14:52] <huey> are the name of the game
[14:52] <savexpy> most important being making sure none of gaw's coins get forked
[14:52] <savexpy> the premine needs to go away
[14:53] <huey> and with it take away all the customers coins too?
[14:53] <huey> that will indeed kill the coin
[14:54] <savexpy> no
[14:54] <savexpy> we need to differentiate from the two somehow
[14:54] <huey> incredibly difficult
[14:55] <savexpy> it can be done, i just need to think about it for a bit
[14:55] <huey> over 4.5 million in coins
[14:57] <huey> plus you need to consider what this would do to all the Hashstaker customers
[14:58] <huey> and prime holders 
[14:58] <huey> seems your plain would only benefit coin holders
[15:25] <huey> ok then 
[15:25] <huey> seems like youre too busy
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