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1  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: March 01, 2015, 03:42:42 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."
Obviously it can't be. But if you want to hear some other opinions... you can read this.

According to Oleg Rzheshevsky, a President of the Russian Association of World War II Historians, only 4,148 Red Army officers and many soldiers were convicted of atrocities. He explains crimes such as acts of sexual assault as inevitable parts of war, and men of Soviet and other Allied armies committed them. However, in general, he says Soviet servicemen treated peaceful Germans with humanity.

Makhmut Gareev states that he had not even heard about sexual violence. He says that "instances of cruelty, including sexual, occurred", and that they "simply could not be absent after what the Nazis did" in the USSR, but also states that "such cases were strongly suppressed and punished," and that "they did not become widespread." He notes that the Soviet military leadership signed an executive order on 19 January 1945 that demanded the prevention of cruel treatment of the local population.


And, suddenly, you can find words of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in Wikipedia. Who also wrote in his books that Stalin kill more than 100 million people in the USSR. He also lied about many other things and it's proven. So, it's clear for me that Soviet soldiers was not monsters. My grandparents are good men. And I will never believe people who say that they were rapist or killing monsters. Screw that. They lost their brothers, they lost their moms, sisters, they facing death to save the country and (in future) life of my dad and my life. And now, after the 70 years, bastards began to scream that soviet soldiers were bad, unpolite, rapist and etc. As i said, screw that!
2  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: February 28, 2015, 04:24:49 PM
I did. There's a museum in my country in which some files that the soviets didn't take with them when they felt that USSR was ending remain. I saw the photocopied files.
Sadly, I have relatives and close friends of those relatives that would say different. Some were more fortunate and were just interrogated and let go, others got to experience the conditions that "wasn't royal". They just used different words to describe that. Regarding the statistics, I base my opinions on what most of the world has agreed upon. Not sure what kind of statistics you base yours.
Wow, that means that I can't change your mind. Because, you know, I've heard a lot of bad things about Stalin's time and even cases when people was arrested or killed because of literally nothing, but I do not trust him cuz I still didn't see any of files and have no friends/relatives who can proove fact about gulags. So, since that I think it's clear that you have a great reason to believe in all that bad things about Stalin and I have a nice reason to disagree with you. Not because you or me are brainwashed, but because we saw a literally diffrenet proofs before. But it was a nice to talk to you.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.
Yeah, that is what people call propaganda. Nobody going to tell you in UK that they support Hitler at the beginning but they will tell you about Gulag. Why Russians can't do the same? So, you can see our propaganda without pacted with hitler but with a lot of good memories insead of it. Have a nice time watching!

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...
Nice add! Thanks you!

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?
I see what you did here Cheesy
3  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: February 28, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
for thinking other than what the Soviet party thought is quite different.
How do you know? Did you saw their probable causes? Did you saw the files of prisoners? Who tell you that?

And one more thing. You can believe it or you can ignore it. I do not care. I live in Russia and no one from my big family (mom's parents have like gazillion kids, brothers and sisters and father's too) no one was sitting in the prison or camp. In fact, my great-grandad was a kulak (people like to tell that Stalin arrested all kulaks), my grandad was religious man and had a bad thoughts about Jospeh Vessarionovich. And they say that they didn't heard anything about Gulags or Camps until the 90s and so-called freedom of speech. I think that is the best example of how "Bad-bad Stalin surpression".

well financed propaganda.
Funny fact, but the largest anti-soviet liar (Alexandr Solzhenitcyn) was sponsored by USA and printed in... YMCA. Great, right? Tell me more about financed propaganda =)

I just choose to base it on facts
You can base on facts when you really saw them. You can base on facts, when you have a right statistics. You can base on facts, when you was in the same situation. I mean that of course there were camps and gulags in USSR. Of course there were a people inside and I can agree that sometimes conditions wasn't royal (like in US correctional facilities lol). But it wasn't as big as you may think. And it wasn't so bloody. Nobody will arrest you just because you think different. People were arrested because of money, power and law-crossing. That's what I believe.
 
It is a police state since without strong law enforcement agencies ready to open fire without a second thought there would soon be chaos and anarchy in the streets of this state. We see this happening everywhere whenever there is no more "strong hand" controlling general public.
That is what I'm talking about! I agree with you and with your opinion about strong hand. I'm just sick of people who call Russia's strong hand as totalitarian gulag system.
4  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: February 28, 2015, 12:15:44 PM
They also forgot to mention what atrocities they committed during their "good" occupation like the Great Purge (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge),
How many people was arrested? Oh, 1.5 million according to  the wikipedia. Here is global research for you about the USA. http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-prison-population-dwarfs-that-of-other-nations/8801
It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. So, if population of USA is 320 million and it has 751 in prison or jail for every 100,000 it means that 2.4 million people are sitting nowadays in USA.. Got it? 1.5 vs. 2.4

So why the time when 1.5 million people are arested in USSR called "Great Purge" and the same situation in USA, when the number of people is 2.4 million, called democracy? What is that? Double standards? 

establishing and running labor camps where many deported citizens where living in unbearble conditions
Correctional facilities was invented not by communists. Also why you didn't mentioned trusty system? Or the conditions of prisoners in US was bearable? Don't kidding me.
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: February 28, 2015, 11:34:49 AM
Lol, tipical "vatnik" style video. Paid by kremlin.
Lol, typical ungrounded comment. Provided by haters Cheesy
6  Other / Politics & Society / I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles] on: February 28, 2015, 05:24:25 AM
Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.
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