I am not opposed to coinjoin and have been looking into it as well.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0

Still working on my understanding of it also but looks good. I have been trying to figure out the benefit in coinjoin over what I am thinking of doing other than my current thinking is that it will cost me more to do what I have been thinking. Not sure if I would be safer with one or the other option.

Thanks, and hope to get more feedback.

I am not depending on any one service or services reputation as law. I cannot afford to do that. But knowing the most I can while going in and then developing my own method of mixing and moving is the only way I think I can avoid or have the best option to avoid pitfall that know one knows about yet. I am always expecting the most unexpected and ludicrous of out comes that I have been told I was totally going overboard. Everything I do at each step requires my thinking that I do not know the situation on the other end no matter what I think I know. I can't trust anything outside of my control totally so I have to do what I do in a manner to protect myself from the most unlikely of events. I like my life and my freedom.

My thinking is to be as unstoppable and as untraceable as I can manage I need to do something like the below.

Using ip that is hundreds of miles away. ---> Get funds in coin ----> from my encrypted wallet to mixing service (A) lump sum so I get control the quickest. Withdraw from mixing service (A) from another IP in several small amounts over a long period of time to encrypted wallet (b - this could be several different wallets in different amounts) ----> (c) now transfer some to another mixing service while transferring some into another altcoin. Over time retransfer the rest into another altcoin. (d) move some from the other altcoin back into bitcoin mixing at different amounts and intervals. (e) move varying amounts at varying times into another mixer. (f) now move small amounts from mixer at varying intervals and amounts into another encrypted wallet. (g) move varying amounts at varying times into varying local bit coin accounts in varying locales to move for cash. Then contact this site and make a donation. Keep in mind I plan on doing each step using IP's separated by many miles and using the Tails Operating System.

I am still researching and will be up till the very last point of doing this so if someone wants to cut holes in my plan then go right ahead. Make me consider something I have yet to think about whether negative or positive. Break it down, cut it up, praise it, whatever you can give as far as input is only a good thing.

People here have got me thinking seriously about using bitcoinfog for part of my chain of transactions. Since things are getting ready to happen this week I want to ask about your personal use of bitcoinfog.com.

Going through Google the last couple of days I have found that the people who love the fog love it and those that hate it just outright hate it. The biggest complaint I have found online is that the fog takes so long to do it cleaning of the coins. Many will post on forums when they think it takes too long to clean the coins a bit and start complaining about getting ripped. One guy I spoke to said it took him over a week to have his coin post. But my thinking is that the service they provide as far as splitting the coin up and all is a great service thus you should be very willing to give it the time to do it's job if KYC/AML is your main concern.

I would like to hear your thoughts however on bitcoinfog.com. Has anyone had a bad experience with using it? What should be my concerns if I use it? How best should I use it? One person told me to make several accounts and post a little to each account. I have read where a lot of people have complained about accounts getting deleted and thus the funds are lost. Is this something someone knows first hand about?

Thank you all for any info you can provide. Also to make sure you understand my concerns here. It looks like I will have around $18.000 to move through the system. This will help put into perspective my concerns here to try and get this all right and not make any mistakes I can't recover from. I fully expect to pay out 10% to clear this up before I turn it into cash. Thanks.

I am getting ready to ask another question using another thread. However this thread got me some really good info and I just wanted to thank all of you for your input on this and other threads I have posted here. You guys are very knowledgeable and I thank u.

Thanks for the info dudes. I did some checking while I was out today and learned some. The ones I checked into require you to verify yourself in some manner. Some required you to scan certain ID's depending on the country you were from. Like with me being from the U.S I would be required to send in a high quality scan of my Drivers license. And that require a couple of days to get the transfer.

Some sites even though they say "no hassle credit card use" you go through the sign up process and then you find out that credit card option is only for a backup funding source.  I did find a couple that would let you buy and transfer bitcoin right away but without being a verified member you were limited to only a $500 purchase in any 24 hour period.

Ideally for my needs with a credit card usage I would like to find one that would let me do ............. say a $2000 buy and even if I had to pay 7% or 9% in fee's I would give it a try.

As far as checking their reps, yeah I know. That's one of the reasons I was asking on here. You guys have given me some good info and are trustworthy.

I am still checking this tread in case anyone has any more good info. 

But in some circumstances the credit card option would work. Would like to see what others think and even more hear from someone who has used this option. Like find out who has used what as far as credit cards go.

Since I have been digging into the bitcoin and altcoin subject. I have seen sites that offer the option of buying with credit card. I have considered this idea but how does that work. You go to the site and buy a few with your credit card and get a confirmation email then see the coin in your wallet. Is this all there is to it.

Has anyone bought coin using credit card?

I am looking at sites like https://cex.io/buy-bitcoins, https://coin.mx/, http://www.plusbitcoin.net/buy-bitcoins-with-credit-card/

What your thoughts?

No, not cash anymore. See I have always done business by cash. However as dangerous as it has always been I was able to use a middleman. I lost the two I was using because, well one got married and it was hard for him to continue. The other had a situation. So then I started having to take the risk. Then I had a situation last year and here I am. If I were dealing cash only as I used to then it would be no problem at all.

So for now forward it will be done with crypto only. Thus I am learning everything I can as soon as I can. While working on getting a current order together - which worked out sooner than I expected I am now having to scramble to get this all figured out and working.

I know I can do everything 100% on my side and it only takes one person to mess up. So that's why I am not out looking for another runner. I am not gonna take the chance to make a mistake and trust someone I shouldn't. Again, if I use crypto then I am the only person I need to be concerned with. And trust me when I say. When the stakes are high. You cannot trust anyone other than yourself.

No butterfly here. I have been doing this for years. Just now I need a much safer method of getting paid. Dealing with a bullet makes you rethink the weakness in the system you've used for many years and that is where I am.

DannyHamilton, your points are taken. However let me ask you. Lets say they have the subpena powers needed and could threaten someones life. BUT with everything you said your talking about putting a lot of resources into the effort to track a few thousand dollars. I understand the point your making and that is defiantly what I am looking for. But lets the reward on their side for one transaction is going to be catching someone that is trying to hide their tracks of where $15.000 went. Would it be a realistic senerio for law enforcement or a PI to this much into hunting it. At some point it becomes counter productive on their part. Now I am not talking about hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars. What are your thoughts here?

Please don't take it as me saying your not giving good info. I am taking in everything because I need to learn. But what are your thoughts on the above. Thanks

I am doing this by memory. I cannot pull up the links I have read. This is one link I did find that I am taking some info from. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786544.0   - but I did read somewhere that bitcoins are linked with an "internet like link" and it is designed this way for the purpose of tracking.
And in this link http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/11580/how-untraceable-is-bitcoin on point 3 they say they are traceable, but may not be traceable directly back to me. But could be if enough work and effort is put in.
A few places I have read say the ip address IS directly connected to bitcoin transactions going very far back. One post I saw said that having a verifiable ip connected to any "chain of custody" of bit coin transactions can be and will be tracked back to any certain point in time if there is a need.

An example given to me in a private conversation from someone who has done what I am trying to do said that you should not allow an ip address to be connected to any bitcoin transaction and to run different bitcoin values through different mixers and wallets and he did mention using some bit coin to buy Darkcoin and then move it back to bitcoin varing the amount and times to make it as clean as possible.

I normally use TOR when doing much of anything. So why not just use TOR.

I am reading up on Sharedcoin now. Anyone have any good links? If I were making millions then I would think there would be no way to move that around. I would have to hire some people to do that. I would love to find a good method then make some worthwhile donations.

lol
I said a few thousand , not a few hundred.

I deal with information gathering, not drugs or porn or anything like that. Like right now I was requested to locate some info that is worth a few thousand $. After several weeks I got the info needed. Now we have negotiated a price but I am putting off the final transfer of $ and info so I can work a way to get the funds so they don't know who they are sending it to or where the funds were sent after I got them. But I will need it turned into cash pretty fast. I don't mind losing 10% or a little more because I have fireguard it all together. My thing is I cannot be traced after I take the funds and I cannot be traced because it is rather dangerous. Being an information broker for years I had an issue come up when dealing with dollars just before Thanksgiving and I was shot and decided then I would find a better and safer way.

So I laid it out to give you a sense of my urgency in this. I have to be safe.

I hope you guys here have mot gotten completely tired of me yet.
My deal is that I will soon have an income stream that I cannot take in cash. So I am under a tight schedule to learn as much here as I can so when this begins I am ready.
I have been asking a lot about buying bitcoin without KYC/AML (New Phrase To Me) concerns. I want to relay a little of what I think I have learned and see if you guys can confirm my thinking here.

My wanting to pull in bitcion anonymously and maintain that so I can move it around using mixers or a wallet like "Rush Wallet" or "Dark Wallet" is not going to work. What I need to do is put the cash into Bitcoin and the next move is to move it into another crypto such as Monero, Darkcoin, Ripple, Litecoin or whatever. Doing this will break the blockchain connected to Bitcoin thus the trace to me is lost. I can then rebuy some bitcoin with a clean blockchain and without any worries be able to sell the bitcoin somewhere like  LocalBitcoins-com without a concern of it coming back to me and the person that I sell my coin to is safe and getting clean coin. Using mixers or wallet from what I am finding WILL NOT IN ANY WAY MAKE THE COIN CLEANER AND UNTRACEABLE. It is only when I break the blockchain by moving to another crypto that I am really getting rid of the blockchain and any way the chain of custody from the sender to me is broken.

I need you all to confirm this for me or correct my thinking if I am wrong.

And so far thank you all for answer my questions and teaching me here.

pooya87 now are you saying that this will totally hide me and make my coin untraceable. Because if this is what your saying it is not what I am hearing from most people responding to this thread.

Keep the info coming. I am sucking it in like, ..... well, lets just say I am taking it in deep. Looking up info on mixers now. Do they hold the key for what I need?

I have read where some people have concerns about BTC-e. Nothing they can say for sure except who is behind it and how info is stored. I know you have questions everywhere as bitcoin is not totally proven. I just need something that I can take payment tomorrow and not worry about KYC/AML and sometime next week get it converted to cash. Being in the U.S I can't take any chances.

Anymore input.

What wallets (if any) are already out that allow a full untraceable and annon way to buy, place and transfer bitcoin now. Like I can give someone the info to transfer funds into. Once it's done I can move it around so it cannot be followed. Then I can pull the funds using something like https://localbitcoins.com/ to sell them. All with a good amount of certainty that the trail has not been followed and the bitcoin is good/clean to be sold. I am looking at Kryptokit but can't find anyone who has used it yet so I would like to look at other also.