Yes that you did but I will still criticize how this whole situation was handled.

You know what I am more of a silent reader, I only came to know the name of site (just like all other people) when joter made this post himself in the thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.msg11780396#msg11780396

but still at the moment, "what exactly the bug is" was not revealed anywhere. However it didn't take much to realize what was wrong, and as I said before not just 1 but 2 things were wrong there causing +EV. I tested it myself and started to enjoy reading all the chat and curses going over there. While in midst of that there were many people in chat talking to kewl (if I recall correctly) but all of them were trying to cut a deal without giving up on details of bug first hand. Well at that moment, anxiety and restlessness of these guys was at its peek and I jumped it and told him what exactly the exploit is and send me the damn bounty to me instead. He told me contact him on forum via PM, by this time I had realized there is no bounty to expect from here (and honestly I didn't want one either) and in my PMs which I sent to both joter and kewl, I told them to just leave a feedback on bitcointalk.

Its not just I told these clueless people what everybody in forum is talking about, but also gave them solutions. What is my fault here?

+1 for your expertise in "conspiracy theories" 

Sorry I wrote 3507x by mistake.. its 3307x currently with the worst house edge, about 33.86%. (Previously it was 4961x with 50.39%)


and worst of all... they still send multiplier value to make the roll, like they have learned nothing yet.

Well that is not it... with 2 digits after decimal in winning chance %, you literally cannot offer payouts with +1 increments. These people are too duffer to understand this. Their multiplier is still full of blunders even after so-called "fix".

Anyway that takes the cake:

well yes but they set max payout rato to 4960x after reading my post. Try to see hosue edge on 3507x

Here is what he told me when I told him that with such house edge you are literally cheating people...

Well this is the response I got:



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Don't forget that I was the one who told them what exactly the bug was in their chat and how to fix that. I even told you solution for your problem few posts above! I have helped you out with not 1 but 2 +EV bugs on your site.

Okay! go ahead and be as stubborn as mule, I don't care anymore.
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I am sorry but this is really starting to stress me now, I can't stand how simple it is to understand and fix and how difficult they are making for themselves.

Really? are you sure      

200x now has 2% house edge.
199x has nearly 3% house edge.
6500x has now 35% house edge..
4961x has 50.39% house edge.

can somebody confirm this? I also made a roll and it looks like same on server side

seriously what is wrong with you people?

Looking forward for final fix. I also hope you already know that in some cases your multiplier is enforcing more house edge (nearly 2%) then advertised. Fix to your multiplier function as suggested above will also fix this problem.

Simple solution is to calculate payout multiplier by winning chance on server end, don't calculate win chance by payout entered by players, there will be errors in your calculations. On client end currently you only let users enter payout X they want, you don't let them modify winning chance, right? Now either you reverse this (let them enter win chance and you give them payout X) or you need to be smart there, when they enter payout X and your function calculates winning chance for them, don't just stop there and once the winning chance is calculated, again calculate payout X from that winning chance within same function. This should get rid of all your troubles.

And now please don't tell me you don't know how to convert win % to payout X.

...and no this is not really a small issue, you should take it seriously!

Yes but you don't have any house edge anymore. Which means no edge for investors, I don't mean to criticize, I am just trying to help you/your developer understand what everybody is talking about.

Currently on your site if a player enters 200x payout, he gets 0.5% win chance which means 0% house edge. If you had a 1% house edge, for 0.5% winning chance you should not offer more then 198x payout and on 0.8% house edge no more then 198.4x payout.

As I said before if you had right algorithms on just 1 simple multiplier calculation function, you wouldn't need to go through all this hassle.

Edited: ...and this is not a client side only issue, Why is it so difficult to understand or fix?

If they were using correct algorithms for multipliers there wouldn't be any need to fix each payout factor individually. The problem here is that developer is trying to calculate win chance from payout ratio provided, it should be other way around.

I still hope these issues can be fixed, but as I said you guys should have taken down the site and fixed it once and for all just like all others suggested. All you need to look into is your multiplier calculation function and thats it. I have even told you what you're doing wrong there.

p.s. change your house edge to 1% officially and may be you guys will be able to handle this correctly.

you wouldn't be confused if you read last few pages... anyway the story has reached its climax, it was fun! 

yesterday it was "you know nothing jon snow". I too was amazed to see this change, does it have something to do with this thread?

Of course mistakes are acceptable buddy as far as you tend to accept them and fix them. I told you about 1 thing in chat, for other thing I told you they are right in forum but you insisted on being stubborn and when I came back there was no progress, I was expecting you'd have fixed both of them.

Who am I to judge anyway, I sincerely hope your investors do come back as soon as this situation is resolved.

since I was following chat there, I witnessed a number of people divesting out of there including a MOD.

for the first time in past years I felt for cersie... don't remind me of that please.

This unfortunately is true as well, if more number of users going for those higher payouts chasing +EV, the sooner your bankroll will dry. I wouldn't matter much if someone was doing it individually, but now collectively your bankroll is at risk. Its not a very time consuming fix, I am sure you can do it asap.

There was not 1 but 2 +EV issues on site. I hope for their own sake they will fix it soon. I was chatting with jotr on his site, he has fixed his simulator (finally!)