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1  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 05:05:24 PM
Not sure you understand how the legal system works. [In US] a person may not be retried for the same crime if found innocent. This doesn't mean that he could not be charged with a crime if sufficient evidence surfaces at a later date. In other words, if I report a murder and there's not enough evidence to press charges, you can be reasonably sure that the murderer will be charged if I come up with the smoking gun at a later date. So no, reporting him now would not "result in an open and closed case in his favor," not unless the case goes to trial & he's acquitted. Pretty sure Australian law is similar.

BTW, which posts of TheGambler were restored? Looking at his profile, he has 101 posts & hero status, and the few posts I've clicked on are irrelevant one-liners?
Edit: Or was some other account restored?
2  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 04:01:21 PM
^^^
OK. The kid's been doing it since he was 12/13 years old, a quick Google search nets piles of results.

I'm ~85% sure that theymos won't restore the posts, but he'll certainly provide them if requested by the authorities. In the mean time, nothing is stopping you from getting in touch with his parents/Aus. authorities. My guess is 50% chance of you not initiating contact, 99% chance of not following through if no instant gratification.

If you did contact his parents/whatever authorities, and posted your progress, people might take you more seriously. Because this forum has never lacked blusterous talkers with 0 follow-through. See pretty every ponzi thread and pretty much every "Securities" thread.

Of course, asking you to post progress is a bit of a catch-22: serious people seldom threaten legal action on internet forums or discuss their strategies.
Same applies to whiteknighting willing participants in HIYP/Ponzi schemes.
If you've been around as long as I have, you'd understand that these people (sometimes subcounciously) want to be scammed, it's an S&M kink.
What you're basically doing is galloping into an S&M dungeon & rescuing the damsel tied to a chair with a pink gag in her mouth.
But you go right ahead, I'm sure she'll thank you later Cheesy
3  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 02:55:58 PM
What is calling his mom going to accomplish? The estimated amount he has stolen is in the tens of thousands of dollars. In most places that would be considered to be a felony. The estimate only covers his scams on bitcointalk which only started around 18 months ago, however there is evidence that he was scamming for 4-5 years so the total amount scammed is likely higher.

My guess is you're simply trying to generate some drama instead of getting anything done.
The reason internet ponzi schemes are so popular is they target the stupid, poor gamblers--people who are unlikely to press charges. Each victim has a pittance invested, and is not likely to be willing to testify. Unless you personally lost money, you have no standing in this case--can't press charges.

Add the fact that you're dealing with a minor, add "across national boundaries," add slim chance of getting your money back, and going after $24k starts sounding absurd. Yeah, it's felony theft in US, pretty much on par with stealing a car.

And, of course, if you're not even willing to call the kid's parents, I really doubt that you'll follow through with any of this. I know this because of the rich, storied history of Bitcoin scams.
Not that I have anything against all the posts being restored, just 99% sure that no legal action will be taken.
'Prove me wrong.

P.S. Which "stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena" do you suppose would be interested in persuing this case?
I am not sure why you are posting from an alt account in order to try to get me to not try to have charges brought against this guy.
No, I encourage you "to have charges brought against this guy." That's what "prove me wrong" is all about. I'm just saying that you will not follow thorough, and are only attention-seeking, trying to turn swindlers stealing from swindlers into high drama. If you do manage "to have charges brought against this guy," I'll be amazed & apologize. Word of honor.
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Testimony will probably not be necessary by his victims as there is evidence against him that can hopefully get a conviction on the forum.

You are right, his victims were greedy morons however that doesn't mean it is okay to steal from them. You are right that they are unlikely going to attempt to have charges brought against him because they have individually lost small amounts.

The difference between what he did and stealing a car is that he did it many times and took advantage of many people (stole from many people) while stealing a car involves generally one victim and one act. You could argue that someone was desperate for money when stealing a car while the same arguement cannot be made with this guy.
dunno. he could be a junkie. I understand those are desperate all the time. Besides, multiple small amounts would make it multiple misdemeanors, not very enticing to prosecute.
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I would not need to have standing for criminal charges to be brought against him as the legal theory behind most criminal laws is that a crime harms society as a whole so society will bring criminal charges (via a government prosecution) against him. This is how a murderer can be criminally charged because the person he killed obviously cannot bring charges - they are dead.
That's why you can not press charges in a murder case. You can report a murder, but it's the state who chooses to press charges. If this was happening in US, the case would be "State v. James Volpe," not "Anonymous v. James Volpe."

If [whatever Australian authorities you plan to contact] chose to go after this kid, they (through US counterparts) will requisition Bitcointalk logs, just as it was done with Trendon, Josh, etc., etc. Nothing could be simpler.
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The plan is to attempt to have owners of large Bitcoin casinos lobby Australian law enforcement bring charges against this kid as their business was likely harmed due to his ponzis have caused gamblers have less faith in Bitcoin related gambling when gambling on his HYIP schemes proved to be unfair. If none of the people I ask are willing to lobby law enforcement to have charges brought against him then I will do it myself although I am half a world away from them so doing it myself would likely be more difficult.
"Ponzis have caused gamblers have less faith in Bitcoin related gambling when gambling on his HYIP schemes proved to be unfair"?!
"A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors. Most of these scams work from anonymous offshore bases which make them hard to track down."
DUH?
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Charges have been brought against people who ran ponzis in the past - see pirate40. This kid has even gone as far as to outright admit to scamming people on here and admit to hacking accounts and spreading malware.
Pirate stole millions & is an adult. As far as I know, he's not in jail & no one will see a penny back.
And yeah, the kid's bad news. Talking about it on Bitcointalk is just milking the drama. And pretty low-grade drama at that. I mean, there's always Jon and Graet & all the folks who are well-known & stole substantially more interesting amounts.
The ponzi victims don't want a white knight to prance in & resque them from their stupidity. They'll defend their right to be scammed, over and over again, as long as they can still afford an internet connection. Trust me, I know Cheesy
But then again, feel free prove me wrong.
4  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
What is calling his mom going to accomplish? The estimated amount he has stolen is in the tens of thousands of dollars. In most places that would be considered to be a felony. The estimate only covers his scams on bitcointalk which only started around 18 months ago, however there is evidence that he was scamming for 4-5 years so the total amount scammed is likely higher.

My guess is you're simply trying to generate some drama instead of getting anything done.
The reason internet ponzi schemes are so popular is they target the stupid, poor gamblers--people who are unlikely to press charges. Each victim has a pittance invested, and is not likely to be willing to testify. Unless you personally lost money, you have no standing in this case--can't press charges.

Add the fact that you're dealing with a minor, add "across national boundaries," add slim chance of getting your money back, and going after $24k starts sounding absurd. Yeah, it's felony theft in US, pretty much on par with stealing a car. Probation, unless black & poor. Is he black & poor?

And, of course, if you're not even willing to call the kid's parents, I really doubt that you'll follow through with any of this. I know this because of the rich, storied history of Bitcoin scams.
Not that I have anything against all the posts being restored, just 99% sure that no legal action will be taken.
'Prove me wrong.

P.S. Which "stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena" do you suppose would be interested in pursuing this case?
5  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 01:18:47 PM
There is any estimate when this should be completed? I am wanting to contact stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena to lobby Australian Law Enforcement to take action against James Volpe ...

Doesn't this forum have a whole sub where ponzi schemes are advertised?
What, exactly, did James Volpe do to warrant "contact[ing] stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena to lobby Australian Law Enforcement to take action against [him]"

BTW, isn't he a 17 year old kid? Have you tried calling his mom before calling in a nuclear strike?

For argument's sake, just how would you phrase your request? I'll offer you a draft to work from:

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Dear upstanding gamblers of Australia, halp!

James Volpe, a 17-year-old minor living in your country, stoled our monys while running a ponzi scheme. A ponzi scheme which turned out to be not so legit.
He operated from Bitcointalk.org, posting on a forum dedicated to promoting ponzi schemes (which, as I'm sure you know, are illegal pretty much everywhere but here).
Imagine our surprise and dismay, gentlemen, when this boy's ponzi ran away with our money! Just like all the other ponzis advertised on this forum.
Dishonesty? In OUR ponzi forum?!!

We're all sorta libertarian here, and have healthy a distrust, nay, disdain towards law enforcement. Until a kid steals our money, that is. Then we run to the nannystate to wipe our bloody noses & tell us everything's gonna be alright.
I'm sure you understand.

Sincerely,

Anonymous



He has scammed on this forum many times. He has stolen an estimated 100 BTC from various Ponzi and HYIP scams. He has made it more dangerous to gamble with Bitcoin because of the increased risk of getting scammed and gamblers will not want to gamble because they fear that their bets are not going to be fair.

His mothers identity (at least her name) has been known for years so I assume that someone has contacted her in the past. Regardless I don't see what contacting her is going to do. This guy has been scamming for years and getting spanked by his parents is not going to get him to stop scamming in the future.

So you haven't even called his mom, because you "assume that someone has contacted her in the past"? You realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Why don't you give her a ring & make sure she knows, instead of assuming & "lobbying Australian Law Enforcement"? Seems like a reasonable first step, no?
Would take all of 5 minutes.
6  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting Posts be undeleted and unedited from Several Scammer Accounts on: May 11, 2015, 01:06:36 PM
There is any estimate when this should be completed? I am wanting to contact stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena to lobby Australian Law Enforcement to take action against James Volpe ...

Doesn't this forum have a whole sub where ponzi schemes are advertised?
What, exactly, did James Volpe do to warrant "contact[ing] stakeholders in the bitcoin gambling arena to lobby Australian Law Enforcement to take action against [him]"

BTW, isn't he a 17 year old kid? Have you tried calling his mom before calling in a nuclear strike?

For argument's sake, just how would you phrase your request? I'll offer you a draft to work from:

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Dear upstanding gamblers of Australia, halp!

James Volpe, a 17-year-old minor living in your country, stoled our monys while running a ponzi scheme. A ponzi scheme which turned out to be not so legit.
He operated from Bitcointalk.org, posting on a forum dedicated to promoting ponzi schemes (which, as I'm sure you know, are illegal pretty much everywhere but here).
Imagine our surprise and dismay, gentlemen, when this boy's ponzi ran away with our money! Just like all the other ponzis advertised on this forum.
Dishonesty? In OUR ponzi forum?!!

We're all sorta libertarian here, and have healthy a distrust, nay, disdain towards law enforcement. Until a kid steals our money, that is. Then we run to the nannystate to wipe our bloody noses & tell us everything's gonna be alright.
I'm sure you understand.

Sincerely,

Anonymous


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