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1  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Is FPGA mining board easily to be sold outside the bitcoin community? on: March 24, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
By any measure I'm no FPGA expert.  But from what I've learned it really depends on the board. Icarus seems to have possibilities beyond btc mining. But the issue really becomes one of expertise in FPGA design too.  BFL is a one-trick pony (apparently not reprogrammable except by BFL)
Same for X6500 (can be reprogrammed), not sure about ztex (can be reprogrammed).

 "easily" might be relative to your skills.

The goal is to recoup your expenditure by mining. Then once the board's paid for itself and turned a profit who cares if it's useful.
Well some of us do care and if you can use the board as a dev board you can learn something too. 

2  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Ultra-Low-Cost DIY FPGA Miner - 175MH/s @ $1/MH on: March 24, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Quote from: TheSeven
You can actually do about 200MH/s on the LX150-N3, and if you order bulk quantities of that one (100pcs) you'll get it for as low as $115. That's almost 2 MH/$, so almost on par with GPUs. But you'll have to consider the cost of the board, other components, assembly, and time spent on it as well.

Destroying a $40 part is about as high as I'd want to go. And if I destroyed the first one I may not try another.
3  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Ultra-Low-Cost DIY FPGA Miner - 175MH/s @ $1/MH on: March 24, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
Quote from: johnsmith88
i pay zero Smiley here in sweden we have lots of 'community' areas where you have a standard monthly fee regardless on heat/electricity use. pretty nice

But the power company can also shut off your clothes washer remotely, in the middle of a wash, during "peak" times. Is this why it's so cheap?
i.e. they spread the power consumption out evenly over 24-hr period.
4  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Ultra-Low-Cost DIY FPGA Miner - 175MH/s @ $1/MH on: March 24, 2012, 07:22:57 PM
Were you able to mine btc with the $40 part? Since I've never done anything like this I would rather try with the cheapest parts first.
If I could mine with the cheap parts (i.e. didn't destroy everything in process) then I might do a couple of the cheap ones before graduating my self to the $175 parts.

Are you also mining with the xl150 ($175 part)?
5  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Algorithmically placed FPGA miner: 227MH/s and rising on: March 21, 2012, 07:47:10 PM
The value of your improvements, if they are for real, might be diminished as time goes by. It seems if this is legit you should have a kickstartr going real soon.
Also may be that a project has been announced, due in May (see icarus thread) that will be as fast/efficient/inexpensive as your target.

So you toil away, achieve your goal, then find out you were beaten to market. Ouch.
6  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Nanominer Announcement on: March 21, 2012, 07:37:11 PM
How about using thermogenerators to power wireless and cooling fan or a peltier? Once programmed via USB then they only need to connect to a power source.
See micropelt.
7  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Icarus bulk orders. Who's interested? on: March 21, 2012, 07:32:51 PM
Start a project on kickstartr? Buy-in is $479 then if you get 30 you order, then you have to ship them to each funder and funder pays shipping.
8  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has anyone asked for a quote to create a BTC-miner? on: March 21, 2012, 07:22:35 PM
Updated
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x: 210 MH/s FPGA Board on: March 19, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: ztex
As far I know Icarus uses the FPGA's that are available on the gray marked.

Do you know of any gray market chip dealers? Govt. surplus?
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ZTEX USB-FPGA Module 1.15x: 210 MH/s FPGA Board on: March 19, 2012, 04:16:36 PM
Quote from: Dhomochevsky
When FPGA mining really takes off and various mining solutions will be available from an assortment of manufacturers, should we expect an increase in price due to demand? Seeing how the GPU market wasn't affected by bitcoin mining, I'd hazzard a no, but still...

Not a precise guesstimate "really takes off",  but I don't think mining will ever come close to the kind of market that some FPGAs are designed for,
like consumer markets or large markets like network switches, etc. I agree, don't think prices will change due to BTC mining.
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Free 4xSpartan 6 DIY design and schematics!!! on: March 15, 2012, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: triplehelix
could someone give the schematics to a manufacturer and get a reliable product?

The icarus is an open design. I recall seeing a BOM, not sure about the design files.
12  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Nice 7970 teardown, x-rays and SEM on: March 15, 2012, 04:41:10 PM
Real nice teardown here. Gotta like teardowns.

www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/recent-teardowns/2012/02/inside-the-asus-amd-7970-graphics-card-tsmc-28-nm/
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: FPGA crowdsourced "Data Center" Options and Ideas? on: March 14, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
Quote from: 1l1l11ll1l
pack them into a secure server room

Interesting idea, what does secure mean though? Would each share holder have access to the "secure server room"?
Who is the keeper of the keys? You know why this is important.
14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: FPGA Information. on: March 14, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
I got my hands on an FPGA just couple weeks ago. No experience before then. Mostly intellectual curiosity, which brought me to BTC too.
Anyway the description that made the most sense to me was to think of an FPGA as a processor with no instruction set, you design that and program the FPGA with your design. Where as a CPU, for example AMD Athlon, comes with an instruction set that's immutable/unchangeable.

Here's what I have gleaned regarding resale value of FPGAs, if the device has been programmed with an encrypted bitstream then only the original programmer can alter the design and so the FPGA has that limitation. BFL falls into this category from what I've read but not the other FPGA miners.

As for uses, they are limited by the device capabilities, as was said, and are practically infinite.
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Nanominer Announcement on: March 14, 2012, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: wondermine
Although I'm unsure of what Silicon Valley professional rates have to do with anything here,

They have to do with eldentyrell (as his post said). There is no price mentioned only that eldentyrell has put many hours into the work and wants money for the time spent. But no one knows how much $$ will be needed for eldentyrell to release the code, if it's ever released. It seems that the alternative is to
have people send boards so the encrypted bitstream can be loaded. Not a very popular idea I'd say.

I would expect that all the currentt board makers based on the xilinx xl150 would really like to get 300MH/s per chip.

16  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Nanominer Announcement on: March 14, 2012, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: Dexter770221
You've done that before when you asked for donations. I've counted alot on that 75MH/s from 22k altera cyclone and I donated. They are in easy to assembly TQFP package and costs 36$.

Did you get a refund? A horse has to win a race or two before I'd put any money on it.
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: FPGA HPC :P 32*LX150 on: March 13, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
Quote from: Inspector 2211
13 Spartan chips per board, 50W per board -> FAIL

From the site:

"Power Consumption

The PCI Express specification limits slot power to 25 watts. The DNBFC_S12_PCIe is capable of consuming power significantly beyond that. In addition to the PCIe fingers, a separate HDD connector adds a second path for power. This product is shipped with adequate heatsinking to consume 75 watts, but airflow is required in the chassis to dissipate the heat. Contact the factory if you require high reliability, no-fan heatsinks."

That thing would need lots more cooling.
18  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has anyone asked for a quote to create a BTC-miner? on: March 13, 2012, 07:37:53 PM
Quote from: Inspector 2211
..stuff I knew...

As the topic of this thread is about contracting out the design, I was asking what that would cost for an FPGA from a real company.
i.e. don't take it all the way to an ASIC

I am collecting a list of vendors and will see.
19  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Has anyone asked for a quote to create a BTC-miner? on: March 13, 2012, 06:22:49 PM
Quote from: Inspector 2211
A full custom ASIC at current gate lengths (28 nm, 35 nm, 40 nm, 45 nm) is now several million.

Ok so an ASIC seems to be out of the question as of now. But what about just an FPGA design?
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Has anyone asked for a quote to create a BTC-miner? on: March 13, 2012, 05:34:48 PM
I'm new to BTC and FPGA. I see lots of discussion and lots of good-intended vaporware. I see the real thing too in ztex,icarus,x6500,bfl. (I miss any?)

But has anyone actually talked with a company that is in the business of creating FPGA designs and products?
I know there are some companies that take FPGA designs and automate the FPGA design to an ASIC product.

I may look into it just for the experience and see what happens. I'm sure some of you here already know where this will take me so chime in.

I envision getting some quotes, settling on one and then crowd funding for that.
Part of the request for the quote will require that the entire design be free (as-in freedom). Will that change the price?

Has it been tried already?

[UPDATES]
Wed Mar 21, 2012 I have sent out three requests in the past week or so. No replies yet.
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