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Just placed my order for Apollo, Order #8612 . Yay!
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Apologies if these questions have been asked before:
1. Is it possible to have my Apollo BTC change it's mining configuration from ECO to Balanced and/or Turbo Mode at night each night without any input from me? I'm thinking a kind of chron job/automation given this is a Linux box.
Yes, I did that. I configured Apollo so it's turned off/eco mode/balanced mode, depending on temperature read from external source. You can easily program different speeds by time schedule, by using Standard Apollo via USB, connected to any controller like Raspberry Pi. In Pi, make a script for killing apollo-miner process and launching apollo-miner in desired mode again. Finally, add scripts to crontab, so they launch when you need them. Scripting Apollo speed according to external temperature sensor is more tricky but it serve me very well. |
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Version 2 efficiency looks insane. I consider getting a miner-only unit to test & review, however much I like my R909. That one just gets about 50W/TH compared to Apollo 2's 30-35W/TH. Although it's nice to have something that pulls <100W at the wall and is basically silent. More on this soon.. It's definitely a big improvement from Version 1's 62.5W/TH in ECO mode and 66.66W/TH in Turbo mode! Now I'm wondering which ASICs have been used here..  Must be some quite modern stuff, considering the chips need some time to 'trickle down' to the home mining space. A quick non-exhaustive list: - ~100W/TH Bitmain S9
- ~50W/TH Bitmain S17
- ~35W/TH Bitmain S19 / Whatsminer M30S+
- ~30W/TH: Canaan Avalon A1346 / Whatsminer M50 / M53 / M56
- ~25W/TH: Canaan Avalon A1366 / A1446 / Bitmain S19k Pro
- ~20W/TH: Canaan Avalon A1466 / Bitmain S19XP / Whatsminer M60 / M63 / M66 / Bitmain T21
- <20W/TH: WhatsMiner M60S / M63S / M66S / Bitmain S21
One theory would be that it uses S19 chips instead of the GekkoScience Compac F & R909's S17 chips. However FutureBit used to work with Bitfury in the past, maybe they partnered up again? Yes, Apollo2 efficiency looks great, and I will definitely get one, to replace the existing Apollo1 which is currently being used to heat up my garden greenhouse slightly, during cold months. I control it by a script, to automatically switch between turned off, eco, balanced modes, depending on external temperature sensor. No turbo, because I noticed 6-pin connector on Apollo got burned down slightly and is now brown due to heat.. While second connector gets nothing, probably no current going through it, only one is getting hit. Probably some problem with Apollo PCB on design level... My workaround is necessary, unfortunately, to limit max power, so eco and balanced modes only are used on that unit. And regarding efficiency. I've seen some crazy devices in my days with Bitcoin, have a look at my personal table, I've had all of these devices in my hands at one point  It's an amazing achievement that we can have almost 5 TH/s device in this small form factor at such small power draw.  Can't wait for Apollo II numbers to show up here! |
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Customer support said: Hi yes we sent out an existing customer coupon code for $150 to all customers. You can find this in the email you used to place previous orders. FutureBit Team hello@futurebit.ioI have not received mine at all. Despite purchasing Apollo 3x Apollo LTC, 7x Apollo BTC total.  Awaiting reply from support on e-mail since 13th December.  Got mine, though it was tagged as spam. Maybe check your spam folder. HTH I checked, nothing. It's Gmail account, spam is being deleted after 30 days I think? When did you received your code? Received it on the 8th of December. I am resisting the temptation to forward you the mail via PM as I do not want to interfere with jstefanops business but I trust support will eventually answer you. Thanks, but yes indeed they did, and I have $150 off discount code too. |
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Customer support said: Hi yes we sent out an existing customer coupon code for $150 to all customers. You can find this in the email you used to place previous orders. FutureBit Team hello@futurebit.ioI have not received mine at all. Despite purchasing Apollo 3x Apollo LTC, 7x Apollo BTC total. Awaiting reply from support on e-mail since 13th December. Got mine, though it was tagged as spam. Maybe check your spam folder. HTH I checked, nothing. It's Gmail account, spam is being deleted after 30 days I think? When did you received your code? |
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Customer support said: Hi yes we sent out an existing customer coupon code for $150 to all customers. You can find this in the email you used to place previous orders. FutureBit Team hello@futurebit.ioI have not received mine at all. Despite purchasing Apollo 3x Apollo LTC, 7x Apollo BTC total. Awaiting reply from support on e-mail since 13th December. |
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the have all the information on their home page: futurebit.io the new unit runs at 28W per TH/s. ~6 TH/s @ 175W Has a 450W integrated PSU Can ramp up to a louder ~10TH/s https://i.postimg.cc/hGtP301j/image.pngIMO this thing is no joke. even the bitaxe's which use the BM1366 chips run around 24-26W/TH. The fact that you can get 6TH/s up and running plug and play is gonna be a game changer. hopefully with time we'll be able to unlock even lower efficiency levels. just wonder what SBC they went with for the full nodes this time. I ordered a standard unit & prob gonna flash the new OS to one & make a 'diy' full node. major thanks to futurebit squad for the discount for previous customers, extremely competitively priced especially for residential grade miners. Yes that's correct, thank you, I've seen this screenshot eventually, that's why I said they claim double the efficiency (?). Screenshot I found on the product page needs to be fixed, that's from Gen 1 device. And support just said on e-mail: Hi the efficiency is about twice as better as the Apollo Gen 1. Eco mode is about 30 watts/TH and balanced about 35 watts/TH FutureBit Team hello@futurebit.ioSounds great! |
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jstefanop, what is exact efficiency of the new miner?
Apollo gen1 is, as seen in my unit:
1962 GH/s @ 121 W (eco mode) = 16.21 GH/s per Watt
2438 GH/s @ 155 W (balanced mode) = 15.73 GH/s per Watt
Before I make the purchase, I need to know if efficiency is any better? What are the numbers? Website is not clear about this. Thanks!
I just wrote them an e-mail, probably will get answer quicker that way. But upon further inspection of the website, I found this screenshot on product page: direct link to image This shows: 2970 GH/s @ 202W = 14.70 GH/s per Watt 14.70 GH/s per Watt? That's even worse efficiency than Apollo gen 1 miner. This looks like a mistake, Apollo 1 turbo mode screenshot instead, not a new miner, which claims double the efficiency (in one of the other screenshots). |
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jstefanop, what is exact efficiency of the new miner?
Apollo gen1 is, as seen in my unit:
1962 GH/s @ 121 W (eco mode) = 16.21 GH/s per Watt
2438 GH/s @ 155 W (balanced mode) = 15.73 GH/s per Watt
Before I make the purchase, I need to know if efficiency is any better? What are the numbers? Website is not clear about this. Thanks!
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Just use ckpool, that's what I'm doing
The point of mining solo directly on our node is it might be a little bit faster. Any fraction of a seconds counts to get the edge. ckpool is not the best with one block per 4 months and all the intermediate connections. FutureBit told me solo mining was not ready for release yet. Hopefully soon. Solo mining to your own node may have the opposite effect. ckpool's VPS is in very well-connected paid datacentre, and most likely connected to maximum amount of 125 peers. ckpool can push the block to 125 connected nodes, and to the entire world, in a matter of few seconds. What is your home upload? Most likely in tens of Mbits or slower, no match for 1Gbit upload from datacentres. If your block is not propagated well, then 20ms delay you save by not connecting to ckpool means nothing if you propagate your block in 30000ms (30s) and by then someone faster pushes hit block and yours become an orphan. Currently my node is connected with 18 other nodes and upload for a few kb nonces cmon u dont need 1Gbit. I just bought this full node package for mining the own node. Sure ck.pool is not bad and the only option right now not supporting the big boys like ant/via etc. 18 connections? That's very low. I connect ONLY via Tor, no IPv4/v6 connections as all, and have 32 peers. I was reading a bit today about block propagation in Bitcoin network and apparently it's still an important factor, especially for big miners who hit blocks often. You must be extremely lucky to hit the block within your lifetime if you own one, or even 10, Apollos. Then, you must be extremely unlucky to have that block orphaned by not propagating fast enough, but it is possible. |
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Just use ckpool, that's what I'm doing
The point of mining solo directly on our node is it might be a little bit faster. Any fraction of a seconds counts to get the edge. ckpool is not the best with one block per 4 months and all the intermediate connections. FutureBit told me solo mining was not ready for release yet. Hopefully soon. Solo mining to your own node may have the opposite effect. ckpool's VPS is in very well-connected paid datacentre, and most likely connected to maximum amount of 125 peers. ckpool can push the block to 125 connected nodes, and to the entire world, in a matter of few seconds. What is your home upload? Most likely in tens of Mbits or slower, no match for 1Gbit upload from datacentres. If your block is not propagated well, then 20ms delay you save by not connecting to ckpool means nothing if you propagate your block in 30000ms (30s) and by then someone faster pushes hit block and yours become an orphan. |
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dont buy this hardware over a year of empty promises futurebit as a company in new york should say it all. scam central this decive still doesnt do half of what it claimed it was going to do and this guy rolls in over a year later saying he rewrote a 5 year old softare as if java is out of data.
this is a pieced together miner mostly useless to anyone its not more efficient than miners from 2017 do not waste your money. just another crypto company taking advantage of regular people. let us see what happens next.
people paid a premium for a mediocre turn key solution and got a dev kit that doesnt relaly do anything you cant do on your own with a t9+ ($100 with power supply) and an old laptop. these are the companies that are killing crypto do not support futurebit.
What a pile of BS.  Show me other home miner, which is quiet, works via USB, draws 100-200W, and fits in my PC case. Futurebit miner ticks all these criteria. Miner is inside a PC, I don't hear it at all with one single fan spinning slowly, other fans in that machine are making more noise. I can't be more happier with home-friendly Futurebit miner. You keep that Antminer T9+ for yourself, I am not interested to keep 1500 Watts, 76 dB noise jet in my living room  |
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Current Issue 1:
"Low Disk Space. This computer has only 0 bytes disk space remaining."
Issue 2:
Hashrate is not being registered.
Issue 2 could be due to Issue 1 still not resolved. Find out first what took entire SD card space. Ubuntu most likely has a visual tool to check free space, if not, do quick search to find out what tool you can use. I personally use Filelight tool to check occupied space by any file or folder. But with zero free space you may not be able to install it. |
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Hey ! The 500G SSD included in my device is now full so I need to upgrade with a bigger M.2 SSD. Will a Kingston 1TB NV2 M.2 2280 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD be compatible even if the old drive is PCIe 3.0 ? Yes, it should be. Faster SSDs are backwards compatible. |
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If the tax is high for you, then it means you shouldn't import it. Declaring fake amounts will only give you trouble. You'll lose more than the tax money and risk yourself for a jail sentence. Risk jail sentence? For under-declaring imported goods? In what country?  But still, I understand trouble for refusing to pay fine once caught, blah blah. But not just for under-declaring goods value! Imagine making typo in customs declaration and insta prison lol. This does not happen. |
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What this photo shows in relation to entire board? Sorry I can't imagine which part of the device this is exactly.
Looking in through the opening at the rear: Locate the two large silver square components. And the 2 tall cylindrical components, also silver. The hot buck regulator fets are the small black flat components (with white writing on them), located between the tall cylindrical ones and between the 12V power connectors and the big square components. Thanks. Now it makes sense. I even glued two small Raspberry heatsinks to two square components (SMD resistors?), I had them lying around, now they are employed  Buck regulators will have to stay naked as they are too small for any modification I think. I use 125W low power mode inside PC case as shown in previous pictures, without Apollo case. All components are ok to touch, no overheating. PC is well ventilated, probably better than the original Apollo case would provide on its own. Current stats: Apollo Miner
Hashrate: 2003 GH/s
Error rate: 0.4%
Power draw: 125 W
Temperature: 57°C
Fan: 2103 RPM
Uptime: 4d:16h:52m
Process memory: 5.8 MiB
Solo CKpool stats
7d hashrate: 1.93TH/s
1d hashrate: 1.93TH/s
Luck: 0.05%
Bestever luck: 0.12% |
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What this photo shows in relation to entire board? Sorry I can't imagine which part of the device this is exactly. |
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Same contraption shown in infra-red. Very handy to find hot-spots.  The ASIC temperature appears stable at 79degC with only the Noctua NF-A9 running (but I have turned the added PSU fan back on low to keep the PSU happy). This is what happens when I also turn on the Noctua 200mm fan: - It gets quieter while the internal fan slows down and the ASIC temp eventually settles at around 61degC; - the Noctua NF-A9 slows down to 1150rpm or less - the noise level at arm's length (0.5m) is clearly lower than the noise from a practically unmodified Full Package Apollo operating about 3.5m away from me (with an ASIC temp of 59degC and the stock fan running at 2905rpm). - the wildlife, birds, crickets etc outside are seriously interfering with my ability to hear the modded Polli at arms length. But the problem remains that the Noctua NF-A9 does not have the Oooompf to cope with a heat wave, and I want Polli to stay at least as safe as it was when I started to deconstruct it's warranty! Why not removing Apollo from its original case? I did that, and it's been running fine for many months. Still using original fan. Without the case, air intake is excellent and it may lower your fan speeds/temperature. https://imgur.com/a/3D2Cvsa |
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It seems like there is a minimum speed of about 1800rpm for the built-in ASIC fan, no matter what settings I choose for the Fan Temp Settings. Is that true or am I missing something?  My lowest reads: Apollo Miner
Hashrate: 2011 GH/s
Error rate: 0.3%
Power draw: 126 W
Temperature: 54°C
Fan: 1558 RPM
Uptime: 16d:5h:7m
Process memory: 1.4 MiB That's with very cold ambient temperature. |
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Now I'm working on the top part of the printable fan-adapter housing for the Apollo BTC. Nowhere near finished. An important lesson learned while it is getting warmer in my mad-scientist's lab is that the entire metal housing of the Apollo gets warm and serves as a heat sink. So I'm trying to come up with a slimline design that will cover very little of the metal so that it can continue to radiate heat. I hope I can connect the top part of the Polli housing to the bottom part (with some short self-tapping screws) so that none of the original screws need to be touched to encase the Apollo.  Additional housing for the entire device is not needed. I simply removed metal case and put Apollo on the shelf inside a PC. Only improved case for Orange Pi is useful, to improve airflow. If someone is not using full node but only a brick, then there is no problem with Apollo cooling. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/nguQRAC.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/OaiGabx.jpeg |
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