No ASIC is profitable in short term. ASIC´s are always for long term mining.
You are wrong it depends on the price for the ASIC miner, if OP has free electricity he can just buy old ASIC miners, old ASIC eats lots of electricity but they are lot cheaper than building a mining rig full of graphic cards, the power consumption side is why I don't buy already How do you immediately have free electricity in mind? Also, we are not all thieves, so let's steal someone else's electricity, especially not so huge quantities. |
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I agree with you, now, it's clearly better to buy CHIA than to farm, $200 is a very cheap price.
It may be very cheap and it may be very expensive. We will know in the future. |
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Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.
How did they die on you exactly? Did something blow up OR did you just get a BSOD on bootup? If you got the BSOD or they started to crash on cold start... I think I know what happened. Most likely since you said you replaced the thermal paste, you might of pulled a little too hard when seperating from heatsink and created micro-cracks. At first you don't get issue because they are small. However on every heat cycle, the cracks get larger and larger. Eventually one day when you stop mining to do a reboot, it crashes all of a sudden or fails to boot or you get BSOD. Then you find out the GPU is dead. I also killed a few of my GPUs this way. Now i never do the thermal paste job unless the GPU is less than a year old. I didn't change the paste then. One piece died in operation and 3 pieces died after blowing with a compressor (I blew them regularly until then, every 3 months). All pieces died after the 3-year warranty expired and not all died at once. For example, one would die today, the other after a month - 2 months and so on. They do not give any video signal, the fans do not turn. It's not a GPU failure, that's what the master told me. He fixed all the graphics cards and says there were several breakdowns on each. |
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Unfortunately I also have a bad experience with the Sapphire RX480 8 GB Nitro models. Out of 24 of those cards, 4 pieces died for me. I maintained them regularly, blew them with a compressor, put the best thermal paste "Thermal grizzly kryonaut", I have a very high quality and reliable power supply. I am very disappointed. So I went back to MSI again. Now I only use the MSI 5700XT Gaming-X series graphics cards . I used to have several MSI 7950 Twin Frozr IIIs and have been mining with them for years. None of them ever died. Fans did go, but graphics cards never did.
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Performance for Raven coin (KAWPOW) is much lower than with Team Red Miner. GMiner gives me only 9.60 MH / s and Team Red Miner even 14.25 Mh / s on the RX480 4 GB graphics card ( to the left is GMiner and to the right is Team Red Miner ) :  |
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Does anyone know how the command line for ETH mining on Ethermine pool and mining Zillika on Ezil pool goes? Thank you very much .
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However he can kill - he kills. To me, Chia killed 2 HDD WD Gold Enterprise. And I only tried one for plotting and the other for storing plots. You may also have damaged discs without knowing it. Check them out with the Crystal Disk Mark
i checked my discs every week lol  You know how chia mining works? So if you know that, than you understand that chia doesn´t kill any HDD while mining. When your HDD died, than it have some other problems, nothing to do with mining chia And why you are using HDD for plotting? I can´t understand why dudes spread bad vibes and have a knowledge like a rock. Sorry but you tried chia 1 time and then you have the knowledge to say -> yes Chia kills HDD´s?  You have nothing to apologize to me. The discs are inserted as correct. If they were placed faulty CrystalDiskInfo would report it to me immediately because I put it to constantly monitor the system. Also, the disks worked very little for me and only data was stored on them. I said that I only tried parcelling on the HDD and not that I was constantly parceling on it. I wanted to see what it looked like so I could see if it was worth a more serious investment. For you, opinion is the opposite of your spreading negative vibrations? You don’t understand why people do that? You do not understand because you think that only you know everything and everyone who thinks the opposite is not true. You are God, you know everything, sir, no one should say anything contrary to your infallible opinion. If I said they kill - then they kill and I will post pictures today as proof that they are killing. Maybe Chia didn't damage your HDD, but my did. And it’s not just me who’s noticed it but a number of other people as well. After only 4 damn plots I have damaged 2 extremely durable WD hard drives. The WD Enterprise HDD series is no joke so it is so easy to damage both. If you are as positive as you present yourself, then let me know how to get the hard drives in order after parcelling and storing them. Maybe someone else knows how to do it. I formatted the HDD and tried regenerating with the HDD Regenerator, but Crystal Disk Info again reports the hard drives as damaged and occasionally freezes my computer. I had to take them both out. Now I can only throw them away. |
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Right now its comparable with mining ETH; Say right now for every 400 plots you can make $10/day, about the same as +200MH rig of gpus, 1-2 weeks ago chia was $20/day, but so was ETH now its $10/day
Seems like all crypto is quickly less profitable this is not about price drop, as its the coin amount that has gone down, for instance +2 weeks ago my rigs did 0.01 ETH per day now its 0.005, nothing to do with price, the ETH just simply reduced miner fee's
WRT to chia the space growth has finally dropped from 8%/day to now 1%/day, but still not in decline.
Certainly if you don't have +500 plots your not in game, also lots of FUD right now with the 'portable plot' kluster-f*ck, the lies about pools, the new scam pools like chia-core, or just core-pool, as chia-net says nobody on earth can say 'chia seed' but them,
Well with GPU's your income comes & goes with miners moving around, but with chia, certainly space will continue to grow, first they said 'your plots are forever', now they say 'time to replot', this kills our nvme drives to re-plot, so certainly this scam will never end the rules will change by the hour, and when bram&hoffman are having their periods.
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Comparing GPU to HDD mining, well GPU mining doesn't kill your hw ( keep it clean, dry, dust free , and keep power/temp < 70C )
HDD mining kills NVME drives, kill HDD drives which constantly have to be 'tested' everything about HDD mining well at least the 'chia model' is destruction of drives so that manufacturers can sell more product, funny thing as most have already excluded warranty for HDD-mining, but paid for the practice, most CHIA influencers on YT are paid by WD, ... Just like NVIDIA there cards sell out, so they punish miners by down-grading MH, go figure 'do what we say, so we may then punish you', this is of course psychotic.
If you 'plot' ( make a plot file ) on a HDD, you will kill the drive, so we use NVME drives pcie-4x16, nearest cpu; If you plot with SSD-sata you will kill them, chia is an enterprise business, yet the influencers still say 'bring your old hw to be destroyed, and then buy new', whats a mother not to like about the biggest multi-billion USD tech-scam to come along?
Once you have a 'plot' ( 108gb file of binary crap ), then you store on a 7200rpm enterprise grade HDD, because the process of mining ( farming they call it ) also destroys drives as they must be stress tested often to validate 'signature' of the plot, in fact already on HPOOL ( largest & only real pool, based in china ), they have found 500PB ( PB 1E15, about 100xch/day ) of 'fake plots', which have been banned.
Early plotting showed that NVME's could be destroyed with as little as 25% of TWB, so your 5 yr warranty for $200 NVME is kaput in 2 weeks. To date +2 months of dabbling in Chia, I have killed 2 HDD's, and 2 NVME's, about $600 USD loss in hw, funny if you think about hw death, then this scam is really a loss, the only winner is the HD manufacturers. I say this because its difficult to earn more than $500/month as a chia plotter/farmer. The problem to date was at a 8%/day growth rate of space now 18.1EB ( EB-1E18 ), that if you make say 24 new plots a day, then every week you fall behind 2x, the only way you can stay even is to grow your plot-farm 8%/day, which means that you would need to double your number of NVME drives every 9 days. Of course this isn't possible, because you can only say have one-thread ripper class machine to two NVME's @pcie1x16, random access. Which means 16-48 plots per day, but to stay even, you would have to buy third-ripper ( 32core, 64gb ram ) class machines to stay even, and the SSD's for OS,
I think most people set a goal of 100 plots, 500 plots, or 1,000 plots and then just quit. The 1,000 plot ppl can enjoy $30/day, which is comparable to one mining rig last month, but the problem is EB will grow, expect 100EB, but 1,000EB is possible. Which means that even the data-center people will end up with no ROI, and millions of $$$'s of dead hardware, that cannot be resold as everybody knows that anything 'chia farmed' is DOA, KAPUT, and Moidered.
Ok you do much wrong. How you kill a hdd with chia mining? I dual mine burst+bhd for 4 years and 0 - Zero - no hdd died. I mine Chia for 3 months now - no hdd died i plot 80tb with 1 nvme and it is still alive. So in my opinion you choose the wrong hardware or do something else wrong. But you cry alot in the last weeks  By the way you can mine chia on hpool and make a new deposit address. However he can kill - he kills. To me, Chia killed 2 HDD WD Gold Enterprise. And I only tried one for plotting and the other for storing plots. You may also have damaged discs without knowing it. Check them out with the Crystal Disk Mark |
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beside losing opportunity to sell GPUs at inflated price, what are the loses for miners?
The losses are: money spent on electricity for mining, loss of part of the capital invested in equipment, loss of real estate that some sold to buy mining machinery, inability to repay a credit to build expensive equipment and finally, a loss for a bullet with which he will kill himself the one who can no longer repay the large overdue credit payments. There are more losses, e.g. to be left by a woman for a failed "investment." Many people mistakenly think that the crypto world is a good "business". However, it’s a bit of a gamble, a bit of a “business”. If you don't know the boundaries, you're nowhere to be found. |
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so, what do you guys suggest me to do? Is it better to switch to ETC right now?
Using lolminer with RX470 4gb card is still profitable?
Go to ETC now. |
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Chia coin is back at 1150$ today, haters gonna hate anyways because when the price was down to 500+ a day ago many said it's over that chia coin wil be worthless in time but I believe the price will be more, my advice is take advantage of everything that comes around in crypto space, for now chia is profitable
Leave your tips to yourself. As Slovakia said: "CHIA is PREMINE scamcoin, a huge farm was prebuild for this project". Chia is a typical premine example and an example of an unfair launch. I guess you’re part of that team of scammers when you defend them like that. |
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In 2012 John and peter planned to mine bitcoin but they let go because it wasn't profitable, if they managed to mine while it wasn't profitable imagine the gains today or even years later, what kind of miner are you? If you aren't preparing for the long term shot don't even bother
It depends on which coin is in question. It is difficult to know in advance. I used to have a lot of BTC and I bought a lot of other coins with them. I also mined many other coins. I kept them for years. After so many years I lost on almost all the coins. It’s easy to talk now that bitcoin and ethereum have reached this price. It is not said in vain: "After the battle they are all generals." |
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Is zombie mode that powerful? is there another mode out there that takes care of the DAG sitatuon?
This is only possible if you already have a motherboard that has several PCI-e x16 connectors. However, buying a dedicated motherboard is not good because the price of a motherboard with 7 PCI-e x16 connectors is over 400 euros. Also the processor must support a lot of PCI-e lines, e.g. i7 or i9 with 40 PCI-e lines (e.g. socket 2066 etc.). You know that the processor for that socket is extremely expensive. However, even then you will not achieve full speed on all graphics cards but only for two and a half speeds for the third (2 x 16 + 1 x 8 = 40 PCI lines). |
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So I took the suggestion from some of you and placed HiveOS on one rig. It appears that I have it up and running and it's mining ETH via lolminer.
It's going at 21. So about the same as what it was on Windows with no overclocking settings.
What would you suggest for AMD RX570 8GB cards? I'm using one of the more popular templates suggested.
And how do you undervolt the power? it doesn't seem to accept a "-10"
So I've gotten a little further in my new journey, and I have the 1st rig setup with HiveOS. (off a USB of all things) I have (2) identical rigs so I'm trying to get this working correctly before I call it good and do the other rig. While I have been able to get a lower rate of wattage down, and it appears to be more stable (for the moment). I'm still only getting 21.8mh/s. Which is about 1-2mh lower than when I was running on Windows. I've played around with the overclocking settings and unless others have a better suggestion this appears to be the best I can get. Keeping in mind my BIOS is still stock on the GPU. Though I thought I was reading where some, with stock BIOS, where getting around 26-29mh/s. So... I was hoping. Is this the best I can get off this as it is? I'm guessing it will be suggested to carry forward and mod the bios if I want to get more out of it. So I guess that will be the next step. Interested in thoughts and opinions. The simplest is: http://polaris-bios-editor.eu/. Edit the BIOS with just one click timing patch. You must first memorize the original BIOs and save it if something goes wrong. Then edit the copy of the original BIOS with the specified program. After editing the BIOS, flash the new BIOS with: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ati-atiflash/. I don't think you need 1200 MHz for GPU. For me, 1150 MHz hashes the same as 1200 MHz or higher. A lower frequency will allow you to better undervolt and save more electricity. |
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I still use data cable for small GPUS but in future builds I will go with mining motherboards that don't need risers for GPUS, I would probably buy that type of motherboard that philipima talked about in other topic here, risers can go bad at anytime even if they works now, I've changed two since I start mining
That's really weird to me. I have been mining since 2011 on about 30 graphics cards (I change graphics cards with the advent of newer generations), not even 1 riser or extender has ever died. |
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Write that to someone else. I sent you a ton of email. First, the Paycent card didn't work for me. Before that, I noticed that she was no longer in my Paycent account. You kept telling me to try it at other ATMs and none of them recognized card as operational. Then I could not transfer the dollars from the account to that card because it is no longer in the account. I sent messages again and you kept promising to send me back my dollars converted back into ETH. You never did. Thieves one. Shame on you. |
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Not everything is so simple, in Russia they like to block such transfers and the only way to avoid this is to cash out the crypt through such cards. For me personally, Russian banks blocked such crypto transactions a couple of times, moreover, together with the card and the funds that were on it.
Therefore, using the methods you listed for cashing out cryptocurrency in Russia is not always safe.
Dunno how things are going on Russia but I will give you an example that I used recently. I sent few days ago the equivalent of 150 USD in bitcoin to an exchange and received ~110 USD in my Neteller balance. Obviously there was no crypto involved in this for Neteller, although it is allowed there, it was a transfer from USD to USD but the guy accepted bitcoin in exchange of USD. Same goes for bank transfer, Western Union and Moneygram, there is no crypto involved in this for authorities/banks, the guy/company exchange it as a p2p. I didn't try this latter method yet so can't guarantee it. Dunno if you understood me Ratimov. The main problem remains from where come this money and for what? You don't know the guy or the company that sent it and in exchange for what, remains the main problem... That's why I prefer to use Neteller for the moment and Advcash in the near future when international cards will be available. Everything Ratimow said applies to Bosnia and Herzegovina. It is impossible to withdraw funds without a crypto debit card. Banks block all money coming from crypto exchanges. And I'm looking for a crypto card that works in non-EU European countries. If anyone knows let me know.
I was also deceived by Paycent thieves. First, the Paycent card didn't work for me. Before that, I noticed that PayCent Union Pay card was no longer in my Paycent account. I had a certain amount of dollars on it. They kept telling me to try at other ATMs and none ATMs of them recognized the Paycent card as operational. All ATMs supported UnionPay. Then I couldn't even transfer dollars from my PayCent account to that card because it's no longer in my account. I also couldn't exchange $ in ETH and put them back in my ETH wallet because there is no such option on the Paycent app. PAY ATTENTION TO THIS - ONCE WHEN YOU SEND ETH TO A PAYCENT ACCOUNT, YOU CANNOT RETURN ETH AGAIN. I send again a few e-mails and customer support kept promising to send me back my dollars converted back to ETH. They never are. PayCent thieves. [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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Do you have any idea when a card for non-EU European countries will be available?
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Hey, Is there some detailed guide that shows how to install let's say debian from begin to end so that linux can start mining ... I have been trying to get amd drivers working on debian 10 but I have failed, so I was wondering maybe there's some simple guide for stupid people  or maybe somebody can help me with my problem right now ... I installed AMD drivers using guide: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-latest-amd-drivers-on-debian-10-busterclinfo shows that there's opencl but teamredminer nor phoenixminer find any opencl devices ... what can be cause of it ? The shortest and simplest possible way which I use: https://simplemining.net/page/download |
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Have anyone got any gains on RX5700? I find Poenix to be better here
For me, the hashrate has remained the same, but electricity consumption has been reduced. I have 310 MH / s for 6 x MSI 5700XT GAMING X, the power consumption measured in the socket is about 770 - 780 W. |
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