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Actually the timeframe on eligius matches the rented rigs perfect. Of course this is not an evidence for a scam but its still suspicious. I'd like to see 25-35 PH/s or even better some real hands on and reviews.
1 PH/s: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/16811/
0.5 PH/s: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/16071/There are more rigs rented in this timeframe. Remember: Buy it, when you see it.(reviewed by some BT-members like dogie and notlist3d) And: Trust needs to be earned. Completely agrees. Also if you see old enough forum reviews at the one tread (like few hundreds of messages including smart & polite seller replies) - and most of forum members showing photos like "Yes! This is me and my miner arrived" it is working too. |
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There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so. If I would import mining hardware parts from China to Finland with 1000 euros I would pay 24% VAT in Finland, so 240 euros. If I then later would assembly complete miner from those parts and sell it with 1100 euros, I would need to calculate 24% VAt from it, which is 264 euros. Retail price would be 1100 + 24% VAT 264 euros = 1364 euros. But now comes important part: I can subtract already paid 240 from that 264, so actually I would pay more VAT only 24 euros. So we don't pay VAT more than once, because every company can subract from selling VAT that VAT, what they already have paid themselves. VAT is Value Added Tax. Because by assembling complete miner from parts I added value 100 euros, 24% is actually calculated from that 100 euros, i.e. 24 euros. VAT is better system than sales tax systems which is used in many countries outside EU. In sales tax you can't subract taxes you have already paid yourself and that leads to the multiplying of tax in each step. So what will you recommend for all those who live in the contries with VAT taxation system? Order parts and then assemble it yourself? But how did you calculated completed miner price, i mean paperwork? Is there any way to change it how do you think? |
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13% HST in Toronto + $15.00 CAD brokerage fee  cheap Yep agree  - what miner do you have? Will you recommend to use brokerage in Canada or do it all yourself? |
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I paid ~USD160 (duties + facilitation fees) on the S7 B7 imported to Swiss.
Thanks, but please, in percentage. How much did you paid for your Antminer - 1800 in USD equivalent? If so you now mostly champion with the lowest fees to the gov)) - less than 10%? |
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I have a withdraw started from 2 days and its still "queued", until now they had automaticaly withdraw(i`ve been using them for 1 year), they closed the support page, doesn't respond to any emails tweets or anything else, their exchange market dropped to 0.5 max daily ...i think they will close the services, so i am not advising anyone to deposit or exchange there or else they will remain with the funds stucked... just like me ...
I am not acusing of scaming i just point that it never happened to me till now to remain with the funds stucked there... probably thats not the place for this topic but i didnt knew where to put it so ... an admin can move to wherever.
Thanks
Dear topicstarter, with all respect sure you understand that info like that should be proved by screenshots at least (without your ID of course). Any additional info that can somehow confirm your words should be nice too.. Thanks! |
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Welcome to my BTC Shop I am selling BTC for PayPal paid as service @ preev.com + 14% & buyer covers the PayPal fee for sending funds as goods & services (which ranges from 2.5% to 4.5% + $0.3) Fee for PM/Payza is preev + 5% & buyer covers all the PM sending fee & Payza's fee too Got 1.55 BTC in stockPS: I reserve the right of deciding whom to sell & whom not Please share an opinion what you think about PayPal chargeback scam? As you anyway accepting PayPal as a one of payment methods this may be important question for you. |
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Value 3X S7 batch8 = 3696.74 USD delivery included Value declared by bitmain = 3701,43 USD $ 100 more? insurance?  ?? Now wait for the Italian customs calling me to pay all taxes Please keep updating about your situation, hope you'll get your hardware soon! |
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in indonesia, i must pay at least 10% sales tax, and 15%(CIFD) Income Tax.
OMG that's forking 25% in total! 1/4 times of mining time stretch, additional one difficulty update, more amortized cost etc... So pity. |
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Who are you referring to as "they"? I see it as the country causing these crazy fee's as it's their law's/import taxes.
I know some view companies as but guy for not shipping lower. Just curious if this is pointed twords the companies or countries as the "they"?
Well when i talking "they" i mean all involved sides of that exciting (for everyone except miners) tax games  . Sure everyone want to know how to pay less for their hardware, so everyone want to let "them" get LESS from your very own BTC-baking masterpiece. Whoever they be, govs, or companies who incorrectly doing paperwork, or deilvery guys who sometimes prefer to get what they not deserve to get. |
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There is no custom duty for computer hardware in EU. You have to pay VAT if you import it from outside EU. VAT is different in different EU member states.
I believe the right code is 8471410090, but anyway, If you are in EU, you dont pay custom duty, but you pay VAT (17-27%, depending where you live).
Here people seem to speak about custom duty/tax when it is in fact VAT.
Well then you should be pretty sure you paid it ready while purchasing EU-assembled miners with the chinese parts;-)... So there is actual question inspite of how it is named - how much do they overpay for their miners to the gov. Looks like when you pay VAT you paying for your miner twice as the company assembling your hardware ready paid same VAT for the parts that they ordered from China right? Or maybe i misunderstanding EU customs law - please correct if so. |
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Неплохо. Юзеров бы тебе туда, и побольше. А то их отсутствие отпугивает)).
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as the title says looking to buy $100 in BTC willing to pay with any cash method we can agree on I DONT USE PAYPAL willing to go first if you have good trust otherwise you go first or escrow if needed
Hello Realestone! I always ready to help you with lowest fees possible (also it is possible to return 10%-20% of the fees), and use any payment method you want for more safety. But please correct the amount - is it $100 in BTC, or 100 BTC in US dollars as you said in the topic name? |
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Here in the CIS countries sometimes old miners selling much cheaper after few months of mining. Also sometimes they changing power supplies for the more reliable, then overclocking boards to get additional hashes. So if after few months these boards didn't grilled yet - that's mean they ready checked and worth to buy... with care;-)..
All above i talking about 2-4-6 TH devices of course... not the old crap:-).
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Well respected rig owners... Before you cut the box and smell fresh hashes:-) - how much fees did you paid for your very own miner at the customs? And how did they named that stuff? Not sure if any of them put Bitcoin Miners to the goods databases  .. If someone have happyended story how to save money on customs - please share for others in your country as it could be for sure very, very useful for all of us. In fact near HALF hashrate some people simply presented as a gift to the customs guys... Update: Thanks for all of you for this information! After getting few more countries i gonna wrap this all info into the one table for more easy access. Sure many of those who just on their way to order new miners will thanks for it. But for now please, don't stop - if your country is not yet in the list, dont forget to reply! We need to know how is YOUR customs hungry . Thanks! Update 2: Please, to simplify understanding for others, kindly use percentage not just amounts. Total amount that you paid out, then delivery fees (good also, but not necessary). Then - how much in percents you did overpaid for your miner. Thanks! |
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do not worry, you're not alone, I have to do with my Italian government of shit,
are the thieves of the world, I paid 3X S7 - 3696.74 USD
that should send tomorrow, and I'm waiting for customs Italian calling me to find out the cost of the fees payable, definitely I have to pay much more than $ 1000 in order to collect the goods,
That sucks((, can't believe there is customs more fees hungry than at the our CIS countries?  WEll maybe there is any possible way to declare it as a... beer boxes?:-)) Man i wish you pay as low fees as possible, my old rig few years ago almost doubled from it's initial price after passing customs(((... |
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At the very first time they laugh... Then they angry... After all they beginning to believe and see some great potential. But as usual - it is too late;-).
In fact, Bitcoin still too volatile.. but at my point of view it is far from it's real price right now.. at least $120-$150 underestimated.
There was some reasons to laugh when it falls from all-tme high $1100++, to the $500. But now.. don't think they have to even open mouth to start again:-).
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Награда скоро падает вдвое. Техпроцесс, конечно, меняется, но и сложность тоже не дремлет. Награда - единственная переменная, которую нельзя отрегулировать. Потому - ИМХО, рост. И серьёзный.
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Как новичок заинтересовался майнингом. При этом не охота влаживать много денег. Из-за этого смотрю в сторону недорогих устройств на aliexpress.com: 1. ANTMINER U2 с блоком питания - $25 (Rated speed: 8GBTC 300K LTC) 2. ANTMINER USB 63 GH/с - $57 Полагаю, у нас такие безо всякой растаможки народ ох как рад будет кому-то загнать)). Тут уже вопрос, в связи с переходом на новые техпроцессы, куда девать терахешники и т.п.)), сеть скакнула под новый год, так что.. можно в музей поставить и любоваться, ИМХО. Мол, "На этом я сделал свои первые битки, на которые сдуру купил первую свою пиццу" |
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That pizza people bought for 10.000 BTC on the rise of Bitcoin have to be in the museum. Someone knows is there's any piece of it remained?;-)))
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trusting a person is nowdays bexame very risky i was thinking about something different lets make programms to handle escrow servic like in localbitcoin we can trust machines more than any humans right . like a atm . machine cannot run with your money . he will complete the servic without any greed no matter how much amount will be it will do its servic till people give the escrow fees. it will be like a slot machine you can play it when you really put a coin in it . we can set a small fees like 0.02% from the dealing or any fixed amount and to avoid sql injections i told this here so some professonal programmers can build it insted i do
Well hope there will not be same chance of lose for your bet like in the real slot machines LOL:-). But you right for 100% - ESCROW is the main function in the roadmap of crypto to be fully automation, there is no way for the crypto to expand and be competitive if there will be no ESCROW that you can trust 100%++ |
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