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guys BV now pumping altcoins
as everybody predicted
with help of new chinese friends
BV put his 9 billion DOGE into a pool, his new chinese friends added more billions
maybe BV bought his new residence by giving some free lessons how to pump and dump
after few lessons, all Chinese coins : VPN YBC and so on went crazy
BTW how much Ether BV has ? do not remember from this thread ?
with whom he has teamed to pump Ether ?
is Ether ownership predominantly in China?
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Nobody would buy Craptsy... who would buy a failed ponzi-scheme exchange with a bad reputation?
If someone wanted to start their own exchange, it would be easier, cheaper, and safer to start from scratch than to buy Craptsy's broken system with pissed off customers for $10M...
these two assumptions - fully agree 1.nobody will buy Cryptsy 2.for an external investor cheaper to finance new exchange ( maybe ) so Cryptsy could be resurrected only by common effort of 300.000 users ( losers ) as a kind of joint stock companyedit: there is remote similarity with bankrupcy of Greece - avoided only by all losers ( banks in this case ) borrowing more to bankrupt organization |
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there is value in this house itself : CRYPTSY
if it was penny stock exchange - value of such house would be in billions
if it would go under bankruptcy - lawyers would sell to highest bidders
you say : small coins have no value : how much bigger intrinsic value having diamonds, posts stamps and so on
by allowing lawyers to sell Cryptsy to someone for pennies ( possibly to competitor who would close Cryptsy )
by this action ( or inaction ) - allowing to sell Cryptsy for ZERO - we would confirm ( as you say) that all altcoins have ZERO value
actually, best outcome for all coin holders would be survival of cryptsy
an option to convert altcoin deposits in stakes in the company or similar
this happens quite often in bankrupcies
but it must be transparent an under our control
IMHO this is possible
that would:
1.prevent deaths of smaller coins
2.give some remote chances for recovery of funds
ordinary bankruptcy - lawyers will take all
What part of Craptsy is bankrupt do people not understand? There is no money... coins of value were stolen 19 months ago... Craptsy has maybe $100k worth of crapcoins to dole out, so be patient... Dead coins are worthless because they are scams which were abandoned after the pump-n-dump... don't invest in them, so some research before throwing your money away...
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actually, best outcome for all coin holders would be survival of cryptsy
an option to convert altcoin deposits in stakes in the company or similar
this happens quite often in bankrupcies
but it must be transparent an under our control
IMHO this is possible
that would:
1.prevent deaths of smaller coins
2.give some remote chances for recovery of funds
ordinary bankruptcy - lawyers will take all
I think at the very end Cryptsy will finally shut down. Nobody that have been locked there for months will have any interest to start there again. In addition it would be very difficult to get new additional customer here.
The thing is, if the site was to open again with trading and deposits allowed while keeping some wallets unable to withdraw till tx fees replenish them, might sound bad to some. There are a hell of a lot of users with funds tied up in there that the majority of people would go for this. All you have to think is do people want to see their coins again, people will say yes. Better some rescue plan for us all rather than nothing in the end. If the bank-run that happened never did, I have a feeling it would have worked like has been said. I know there is a TRUST thing to be got over, but if the cover up was indeed a last ditch attempt to save US ALL and was working, the finger should be pointed at the site that gave the info that caused the bank-run and messed up the plan. Now MOST of the story is out , where does it leave US ALL ? If we should see the site become operational again we should all be there to help , because we all have a stake in it , till ALL wallets are open again for withdrawals. I would rather see a trickle of my lost coins , knowing they are eventually coming back to me , than nothing at all. I would deposit too ( alt coins ) and if we all put the effort in, the faster the recovery would be. Bad mouthing is not going to help. ( At least till you know your money's gone for good ) i think you are missing out the big part that should go like this 1. cryptsy is liable for the money supposedly stolen hmm i mean embezzled. 2.this money belongs to customers so cryptsy now owes the customers. 3.money put in by customers after event has absolutely nothing to do with the event. the missing money is now cryptsy debts. 4.at no point should new deposits be allocated towards paying off the debts. That means cryptsy now knowingly spending customer funds to pay off its debts to customers i know crazy stuff. = stealing and now site is running a ponzi/pyramid scheme.and is now basically a criminal entity in operation. and not reporting the incident to the authorities only works out for cryptsy and not the current or future customers it plans to steal from in the future commencing from the event 5. cryptsy ran this scam for 18 months. and actually had the diversity to blame a online article for its final demise. still unwilling to take any responsibility for theft/embezzlement/cover up/unreal irresponsibility. 6. he offers this options up has a possible remedy . http://blog.cryptsy.comquote 1. We shut down the website and file bankruptcy, letting users file claims via the bankruptcy process and letting the court make the disbursements. - or – 2. Somebody else comes in to purchase and run Cryptsy while also making good on requested withdrawals. - or – 3. If somehow we are able to re-aquire the stolen funds, then we allow all withdrawal requests to process. bug vern and cryptsy are clearly insane and/or delusional. are you ?
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We need urgently new forum search options ASAP first: option to search within single thread with subpages second: advanced search option similar to www.google.com/advanced_searchexisting forum search is extremely primitive and old-fashioned - after so many years of development this is really very much needed improvement for huge forum |
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let's assume this 10.000 wallet is really from Huobi 1.higher in this thread there were allegations that all exchanges ale tightly connected2.huobi is most secretive of exchanges from China, no public shows, Huobi profile on Bitcointalk - last post Feb, 2014 3.as to huobi - only guesses as for instance: Okcoin/ Huobi is owned by China Government https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1311139.04. where are best friends of BigVern? in China (it is where to he had escaped) now we can safely assume that his best friends are at Huobi 5.with BV military intelligence background : he could be cautious and already parked 10.000 with his anonymous close friends at Huobi but now with new heat - this type of security would be not enough BV now wants 100% perfect wash not 99.9% needs fresh mixing best possible mixing available = with use of existing exchange which has thousands and thousands of legitimate wallets anywaysimilar perfect wash stories were in all altcoins exchange closings : starting from 2014 Cryptorush Mintpal and so on : nobody even bothered to trace stolen coins similarly with MtGox Bitstamp Bter - nobody really tried to trace stolen huge packs of BTC |
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normal exchange ?
1.this never had been done before in BTC blockchain on this scale : blockchain volumes up to 1000% or higher this weekend
2.BTC quiet this weekend on exchanges
3.if somebody would like to make record BTC washing - would prefer cold winter weekend ? OK ?
4.did not follow cryptsy bot this time, but seen many times at work at other altcoins : reduced amount is usually same with each transfer
for instance: 10.000 bot splits into 9800+200
next hop : splits 9800 into 9600+200
and so on
it is not really similar to any legitimate payments by any exchange
- why each time is exactly the same amount reduced ?
- why these transactions of this type MUST concentrate in one block?
- and - as seen in altcoins blockchains - such bot behavior for sure was not connected with any payments with this or that altcoin
this bot has to be specially manufactured for mixing
actually, in altcoins is not very typical that unconfirmed amount can be respent in the same block
that confirms suspicions, that Mullick wallets for altcoins were hacked super-wallets
such Cryptsy wallet had much more possibilities that ordinary altcoins user had no access ( as : respending unconfirmed altcoins within single block )
higher in this thread : was checking DASH stolen wallet address:
this stolen DASH wallet underwent similar bot-splitting
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this is famous cryptsy bot it can transfer single amount of altcoins/bitcoin repeatedly within single block [–]MaChiseMo [score hidden] 8 hours ago* At 2016-01-24 02:31:21, 9612 btc was progressively sent over and over at a decreasing rate over thousands of transactions until 7906 was left. Theft and laundering sounds about right. Edit: Here you go, it was 10000 btc 1.5 days ago from 376 other addresses: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/18SwPkgUHFo8QLh5fMcchKvmUVrFNxXF6B/transactions Surely this is Cryptsy-related? [–]jamaicanbind [score hidden] 7 hours ago It looks like it was the same 9000 or so coins sent over and over to different addresses. A mixer maybe? https://blockchain.info/address/1AqqVCAhKwxxeTwPhpYxwHNW8tPzVztY23[–]_madmat 1 point 43 minutes ago The 5.7 million btc in one block are just 10,000 btc moving and moving. Today, you could spend unconfirmed outputs so you could move the same coins many times in the same block. I think i found the initial transactions : https://blockchain.info/fr/address/18SwPkgUHFo8QLh5fMcchKvmUVrFNxXF6BGood luck to go further back, this has been mixed an remixed. |
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Hi All,
I would suggest that ALL coins would make a version 2. Why? Cryptsy is holding a lot of small coins, KARMA, LOT, MOON, LEAF, ....
maybe they have a supply of 80% of all the outstanding coins, so we should all make KARMA2, LOT2, MOON2, LEAF2,... type of coins and swap the coins that aren't on cryptsy.
This will mean Cryptsy wouldn't be able to dump their coins on other markets and make another few millions and it can give the current owners of those coins maybe some money back if they were able to withdraw at least a few coins...
very very interesting idea as far as understand this idea : make exchange karma > karma2 and so on : coin exchange for small coins with big cryptsy wallets but how to exclude cryptsy wallets from this coin exchangefor most small coins only small part of cryptsy wallets known, a minority some wallets can suspect as owned by cryptsy, but no clear proof of ownership |
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Hi All,
I would suggest that ALL coins would make a version 2. Why? Cryptsy is holding a lot of small coins, KARMA, LOT, MOON, LEAF, ....
maybe they have a supply of 80% of all the outstanding coins, so we should all make KARMA2, LOT2, MOON2, LEAF2,... type of coins and swap the coins that aren't on cryptsy.
This will mean Cryptsy wouldn't be able to dump their coins on other markets and make another few millions and it can give the current owners of those coins maybe some money back if they were able to withdraw at least a few coins...
very very interesting idea as far as understand this idea : make exchange karma > karma2 and so on for small coins but how to exclude cryptsy wallets from exchangefor most small coins only small part of cryptsy wallets known, a minority some wallets can suspect as owned by cryptsy, but no clear proof |
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Is Crypsty selling everything? There is a huge dump in price at the moment, could it be linked?
I doubt it. They don't have coins.  no coins - official version only lot of different coins were transferred from cryptsy for free to some wallets obviously connected with cryptsy guys shown in this thread : BTC and DASH (450.000) there is a much bigger number of different altcoins transferred in big size transfers out of cryptsy to some unknown wallets in similar pattern usually splitting to tens or hundreds of small wallets of same size ( a bot programming mistake ) for sure these wallets were getting it free now trying to unload for cash where possible BTW DASH is not falling - maybe already dumped |
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if our altcoins were sold to compensate for btc loss - that stinks of intentional premeditated crime / felony
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for missing BTC - cryptsy produced an explanation
but why all other altcoins are blocked?
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