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1  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB on: January 20, 2016, 01:38:54 AM
Quote from: wizkid057 on January 19, 2016, 11:55:32 PM
The funds actually in the Eligius offline wallets (NOT necessarily the balance you see for various Eligius related addresses) is generally due to miners AND is reflected in the payout queue.  Again, nothing to do with shelved shares since if the funds exist as real BTC anywhere, then the related shares are not shelved.  If it's in the payout queue (before estimates), it's not shelved.  Again, the two are not related.
This is a very important statement.
I always thought it was the other way around. That is why I used balances of the Eligius wallets to look up the amount of mined bitcoins.
Now I see where I was wrong.
Sorry for the misleading questions.
I my defence, some description near field "Total" on the payout queue page whould've helped.

Quote from: wizkid057 on January 19, 2016, 11:55:32 PM
Still not sure what you're getting at.  The payout queue and CPPSRB rewards (which includes handling of shelved shares) have pretty much nothing to do with each other.  The payout queue is just Eligius's way of processing payouts in the coinbase transaction of blocks.  It's not required for shelves shares/CPPSRB/etc.  They're completely independent.
I wanted to get an estimate of time required for recent shelved shares to be paid and a chance of such event.
May be you can add a total number of shelved shares for the pool on the statistics page?
From that number and the way it changes I would be able to uderstand the probability of a reward for the last shelved shares.
I realized that I can calculate those numbers from the statistics on the block list page.
2  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB on: January 19, 2016, 11:44:04 PM
Quote from: wizkid057 on January 19, 2016, 10:01:46 PM
1) Shelved shares don't exist as BTC anywhere.  They've never been mined.  Actual funds are not anything to do with shelved shares.  And again, while unrelated to shelved shares, looking at the balance for cold wallet addresses isn't useful, since these wallets are used for other purposes.

1) They do exist as an amounts in BTC in the Eligius database (PPS part of CPPSRB).
Shelved shares, the payout queue, the minimum payout only define the order in which those amounts are converted to actual BTC when the pool mines a block.
The reason for my question was to try to estimate how far/close recent shelved shares are from a possible payout. That information is not visible on the user stats page.
If there are some extra funds on the Eligius accounts that are meant for miners then recent shelved shares are probably close and probably would be visible on the user page after the next manual payout.
If there are no such funds then I would guess that recent shelved shares would stay invisible for at least a month.

Quote from: wizkid057 on January 19, 2016, 10:01:46 PM
Quote from: Urza on January 19, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
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2) According to the numbers above, for the pool to be able to pay for all shelved shares the pool needed extra 25 BTC (55 BTC - 30 BTC) or basically one mined block. Is it correct?
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2) The payout queue includes estimates for the current round.  So let's say the payout queue is at ~55 BTC.  The pool finds a block, 25 BTC is paid, and then estimates for the next round are included again bringing it back to ~55 BTC (+/- depending on who's still at/above minimum payout).

This was another question with the same purpose.
If the answe to it is 'yes', then it would take 1 or 2 lucky rounds for recent shelved shares to at least appear on the user stats page or even to be converted to actual BTC.
If the answer is 'no', than I don't understands what you included in 30 BTC and 55 BTC.
3  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB on: January 19, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
First of all, thank you for your hard work on the pool and for the detailed explanation.

Quote from: wizkid057 on January 18, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
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The bulk of the remaining offline wallet funds are funds held and currently untouchable in the offline wallets from the withholding attack over a year ago which is awaiting legal confirmation before I can distribute it to affected miners from that time period.

Aside from that, as of now for some stats: there are roughly 30 BTC worth of funds as a the sum of all active miners who haven't yet reached the default or their set minimum payout.  There is about 1 block worth of payout queue backlog in offline wallet funds.  In total if every miner were to be paid their full balance today it would be a total of about 55 BTC.
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1) Did I understand you correctly that all 298 BTC currently residing on the address 18d3HV2bm94UyY4a9DrPfoZ17sXuiDQq2B are not meant for payments for shalved shares of common miners ?
2) According to the numbers above, for the pool to be able to pay for all shelved shares the pool needed extra 25 BTC (55 BTC - 30 BTC) or basically one mined block. Is it correct?
4  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB on: January 13, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: Biomech on January 12, 2016, 07:04:05 PM
Relax, it's a failsafe. It just means that Wizkid will have to do a manual payout, which he does fairly regularly. The failsafe settings are pretty far to the right of paranoid, which is a good thing in this business.

I know that that is a failsafe. But the delay with a manual payout worries me.

The last manual payout happened almost a month ago (2015-12-16 09:25:58 - https://blockchain.info/tx/b7353a03c17bb9ae70b6883e0a9f5959cb6a4cf06c3558f468d37f3c6584b12c).
The next failsafe block also happend almost a month ago (2015-12-18 07:15:45 - http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/blockinfo.php/000000000000000002c29b6a74a88fed6d8f5fb316fa587c608ce3c121d1a314).

Also 4 BTC were spent from Eligius wallet for unknown reasons on 2016-01-06 20:58:30 (https://blockchain.info/tx/a4e7d4deee2208ed5caae43697793008256faf546855a65c838dd0f8bf6203e3).
5  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [14000Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB on: January 12, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Recently most bock rewards go to the Eligius wallets instead of miners' wallets:

Those wallets already accumuleted more than 500 BTC:

The first block in the payout queue has a boundary of more than a week because of that.

What is going on?
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