Sure, it is just you are coming across as saying that agoras WOULD be implemented on "classic" working Tau as we are a team, but that seems rather unrealistic to make such a representation at this point in time, as "being up to standard" and "good" is from Ohad's perspective... Your (manipulative? poor?) use of words might be seen as misguiding readers to an incorrect conclusion.

So you are saying that Ohad will implement agoras existing tokens on "classic" if it works first?
Have you spoken with Ohad about that, or are you making things up as you go along.

But ofcourse everything was done professionally behind the scenes between Ohad and Dor themselves, one can expect.

I thought it was important to outline the legal and moral stance behind asking the question -

"Hence should the return of stolen property be done immediately without any further negotiation?"

Less than three hours later the question was resolved - with announcement of ~ 95% tokens to be returned.


I hope my post was helpful in some way.

That is a great outcome.

Kudos to Dor!

The principle 'first do no harm' if applied in law gives a framework that provides for desirable long-term positive outcomes. For example the expression, 'we don't negotiate with terrorists' is not beneficial to those held captive, but removes motive for such heinous crimes into the future, saving many more lives and heartbreak. The way that common law has developed over time, is similar with respect to 'receiving stolen goods'. It takes away the ability to profit from such situations by giving the liability for the loss to the receiver of stolen goods. Therefore if we seek 'to do no harm', we seek to enact society's standards of preventing harm now and into the future.

If Ohad was to request all tokens 'received as stolen goods' be returned within seven days, there is legal precedent in the fairness of this action. If Ohad were then to say that though a receiver of stolen goods is to bear the loss in accordance with the laws of our land, however I am prepared to make a goodwill gesture by paying an amount equal to the cost in btc - This would be incredibly generous on Ohad's part. If further to this Ohad was to give a bounty, if returned in seven days, Foerster suggested 15%, then that would be way over and above what anyone could expect as a receiver of stolen goods.

To empower the receiver of stolen goods with a beneficiary interest, has been proven time and again over many centuries in the development of common law to be morally destructive.

Hence should the return of stolen property be done immediately without any further negotiation?

Ohad could choose to reserve some 500,000 tokens or more for potential legal costs, and generous bounties into the future. If these contingency coins are never used, then they are as good as destroyed in effect.

Thereby the way is now made clear to cancel all previous coins, redistributing new coins to only the deserving recipients, leaving out completely the stolen coins, except the contingency coins. This truly fits with the principle 'first do no harm' to the vast body of people involved in countless endeavours.



Disclaimer: these discussions might serve as preparatory thoughts for further discussions with a lawyer. I am in no way giving legal advice; now, beforehand or in the future with regards to any or all input I make. I suggest to seek professional legal advice and treat my comments as entertainment value only.

Hi everyone,

I would like to put forward an idea to see what everyone thinks.

We know that Ohad, HMC and co devTeam are working very hard on this groundbreaking project.
It has been announced that Tau will be ready in a few months.
Agoras coin will then take 12months to launch.

My suggestion is that all test coins be allocated to Agoras investors (less scam purchases) as a bonus altcoin.
A two-for-one deal if you like.

Let's say the low utility BetaAgoras (can be renamed) blazes a path (for the 12 month in the future) premier Algoras coin.
It would be sad for investors to see other alt-coins compete on Tau platform with rising mkt caps in this 12 month waiting period.
Ofcourse various other altCoins can be developed on Tau by random individuals, BUT through this strategy we get a head start in  building brand recognition and value that otherwise would be forfeit. Or give unnecessary ground to an Agoras competitor, however inferior and unlikely that may be. Also we gain greater cryptocoin market share overall by existing in BOTH the altcoin space, AND the premier high-utility space.

So in summary holders of Agoras could also receive a second coin BetaAgoras as a free bonus that launch from the genesis of Tau.
I believe that this initiative will help to maximise the creation of wealth from the Tau enabled cryptocurrencies, going to the primary investors associated with the Tau project - the Agoras token holders.

I also believe that for many potential investors the concerns of the 12 month delay will be allayed. Creating a positive and proactive investment platform for a successful pre-sale.

Thoughts?



Note: I am JackPeasant on freenode irc.

freenode#zennet
7:09 PM <JackPeasant>   <HMC_a> at least two coins will come first:
7:11 PM <JackPeasant> If there was a couple of test coins, a betaAgoras - low utility, and deltaAgoras high utility test
7:13 PM <JackPeasant> coins. Could these be issued to agoras token holders (but not those who benefited from scam) ?
7:23 PM <JackPeasant> Their continuation may have residual value as an alt coin in the Tau space. 
7:24 PM <JackPeasant> They would assist in the agoras  presale, countering the concern of having to wait 12months.
7:25 PM <JackPeasant> And tangibly establish the pre-eminent  status of the agoras coin as a shield against quick-start competitors.
7:30 PM <JackPeasant> This in term will create a greater mkt share in the Tau Crypto-currency alt space rewarding Agoras investors.
7:32 PM <JackPeasant> A bonus residual alt coin or two, on top of the Agoras coin.
7:46 PM <JackPeasant> This would regain a very positive footing, generating substantial goodwill, and sales momentum.

Look at the liquidity on bittrex, and judge how relevant the 'price' of this market is atm.

What will the total supply of agoras be?
See here
http://www.idni.org/pre-sale

Can anyone explain how AGRS is stored/works on the omni wallet.
I have bought a Ledger HW.1 and hoping it will work with this.
Yes I am new.