這種討論太多了.

但只有成功的虚拟货币才會有人願意制作ASIC (LTC也可以有ASIC, 只是成本高些, 但不是不可能), 如果有ASIC就是死路, 結論就是任何虚拟货币都是註定死路一條

印鈔只是挖礦的其中一個功能, 而這個礦也有挖光的一天, 將來挖礦的主要目的不會再是印鈔, 而是BTC使用者保護自己財富的手段. 而那些挖了就賣, 完全不懂BTC的人, 少了他們也不可惜

ASIC流片如果成功的话，产出大体应该都是一样的芯片，怎么会出现良率如楼主那么低的问题呢。

I presume that the Chinese customs inspectors don't steal the ASICs and start mining with them, so that might be your explanation of why the hashrate isn't rising before the first customers have received their product.

I know that a new computer product coming into China gets inspected for CCC compliance, but I wonder to what degree they care about a new exported product. It is a sort of crypto brute forcing hardware though, so if any technology arouses suspicion on export, it would be this.

這就是NGZ所講的生態最底層,  眼前一點小利就滿意了, 是註定被剝削的一群; 這種只懂挖礦不懂bitcoin的礦工我也瞧不起.

Satoshi發明挖礦, 其中一個目的就是讓更多人可以有較平等的機會分享bitcoin. 將來Bitcoin挖礦競爭愈來愈大, 而且終會挖光, 這些中國礦工們卻一早以賤價把bitcoin賣光了, 將來中國在bitcoin經濟就沒有發言權.

你看整個中國不也是如此嗎? 富士康生產一部iphone賺不了1美元, 然後蘋果以800美元賣給中國人. 而中國人口老化令勞工成本愈來愈高, 土地成本也愈來愈高, 生產線已開始移往成本更低的東南亞國家; 那時候連1美元也賺不到, 環境也被永久破壞了, 中國還剩下什麼?

(看看btcchina的市場深度, 賣的遠多於買, 和MtGox剛好相反, 而且經常比MtGox低價, 就知道bitcoin在中國人眼中的價值 --- 也不錯, 可以讓我買到更便宜的bitcoin, 而且在香港存款到btcchina比存到mtgox容易得多, 手續費也低)

If you throw enough money on FPGAs, or GPUs and electricity, today, you can also try to attack the network (if that's your main concern),
it has always been possible with enough resources/enough money to spend, the thing is, that if you have that much resources/money, it's more profitable to be an "honest miner" than to attack the network (which doesn't make you any profit at all).

i know of millions of people that buy gold and trade gold. but they dont mine it because its expensive to buy the machinery and too time consuming. they would rather continue with their regular day job and buy gold for other reasons, whether its for investing or for making things from.

bitcoin will be the same. hobbyists that gpu mine btc will start to either up their game and make it into a proper profession by buying / making their own bigger rigs or change their method of accumulating wealth.

much like gold miners had to upgrade from pan washing gold to using excavators and wash machines.. or they became gold merchants, trading mined gold which other people mined, for fiat currency and pocketing the profit margin in the middle.

bitcoin will be the same. you will notice more fiat exchanges pop up and other bitcoin related ventures. use this time to think up new avenues of income. EG google "drop shipping" and see if you can find legit products that you can sell for bitcoin without the hassle of packaging up the goods, as the supplier handles all that.

and if you truly want to help the economy and help increase future strengths of bitcoin. aim your plans at the outsiders.

try not to be a sheep making yet another gambling site that only those within the community will use, or another coin lending site only the community will use.all that will achieve is stirring the pot of cash within the same group of people. no wealth creation, just diluting wealth within the community.

and as for the identity of these secretive ASIC creators i think its now widely known that Sonny Vleisides and josh zerlan are behind BFL.. and their address.. you could probably find it..

but with that in mind about trust. do you know steve jobs or bill gates home address off the top of your head? yet people dealt with their companies without issue a few year back before they stepped off their CEO thrones for differing reasons.

i do agree that bitcoin businesses need to be transparent and honest as it creates alot of scepticism when they hide certain facts about themselves. and even now people are not 100% sure about BFL due to the vagueness of facts BFL decide to release. Which is totally understandable.

their PR does suck and i think aswell as miners having to up their game when asics come out, i think bitcoin businesses need to up their game too.

there are only a handfull of bitcoin businesses which i find great, and they are bitinstant, moneydealers, bitcoinstore bitpay. and strangely enough they are all linked together by certain people.

i think other businesses, oops i should say other hobby stores should learn from the legit businesses and up their game.

bitcoin is still growing, not dying. so look forward to change and roll with it.

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