I thought I had it!

Continuing to think it through to see if anymore water leaks out.

Be careful when scammers propose a wild possibility that would explain their innocence. Occams razor!

And do not trade with people that are not registered.

jacker225 and pork_ are effectively the same person. jacker225 claims he is not pork_, pork_ is no where to be found. Different IP addresses on freenode (one is webchat). The evidence above suggests they are the same, and jacker225 has no records or other evidence to show they are different. jacker225 and pork_ are effectively the same person.

*Puts pipe in mouth*

Here's how it went down.

tiner sold bitcoins to pork_ basically without a hitch. tiner got 400 USD from paypal admin@italkcash.com at 20:30 BST. This is the same time that pork_ said he sent the paypal. pork_ paid tiner from admin@italkcash.com

Then jacker225 filed a paypal undelivered goods dispute at admin@italkcash.com (not fraud) and put the money into limbo, probably permanently. He claims that he bought coins from tiner that never arrived. tiner never met jacker225 before the log below. jacker225 claims that he never heard of pork_ and he is the one who sent the 400.

Therefore jacker225 is pork_, a paypal scammer with address admin@italkcash.com, logs below.

https://i.imgur.com/Mu7W2.jpg
http://pastebin.com/XJwz5PNz
http://pastebin.com/JTnDZxdZ

I'll contact the bitcoin international lobby cabal tomorrow and notify them of the new development in Germany. I'm sure our agents are already en route. Anyone who wants to join should report to the usual place at the appropriate time. LA LE LU LE LO

In all seriousness, wheres the bitcoin lobby?

Immune this is great. Thanks. We're not trying to join the sovereign citizens, we're just trying to understand them. You know, like X-files. It's great to find some real evidence about them besides their own websites and the network news. As far as the connection to bitcoin, the one we met in New Orleans pretty much sets the stage for their attitude toward it. It isn't backed by gold (or silver, etc) so it's as worthless as USD.

The more we discuss scam techniques the better everyone becomes, scammers included.

He tried a retarded gambit where he sent everything he had in order to intimidate me into sending him paypal, since he thought I thought he had more. Risky. Have to say this is one of the worst scammers I've ever encountered.

Someone in #bitcoin-otc mentioned that they just had 10 bitcoins stolen by a scammer. Then gjs278 told me that he just got scammed too, and was trying to work together with the original guy to get his coins back. He also said that he discovered too late that it was scottlad, with the soulacehosting.com scam/troll, by doing whois. He asked me to pretend to buy them from scottlad (alias robthenob) as he was trying to dump the stolen goods quickly. His host was banned from #bitcoin-otc since several days ago, so he was trolling #bitcoin-dev of all places. I waited patiently until I asked someone who was talking about USD rates if he was selling, to lead him on. After a negative response there, scottlad took the bait and began a trade with me. The private logs with sensitive identities removed is on my website. I think it shows that robthenob has no rightful claim to the bitcoins so I will return them as soon as they get back online.

http://users.silenceisdefeat.net/~evan/robthenob/

FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE BE CAREFUL OF SCAMMERS, AND DONT TRADE WITH SCOTTLAD.

AtlasLGo will hopefully make a podcast about avoiding fraud with bitcoin tomorrow. Please send him some BTC if he actually does this, these podcasts are great and we need more of them.

Last minute web design for that page by Vaerros on freenode, he will web design for BTC.

So it's a scam?

Or paypal is stealing peoples money??

I got a call from phone number 402 935 7733. While answering I dropped the phone and it rebooted, cancelling the call. Research suggests it's paypal calling about unusual activity on my account. People reported questions like 'what kind of items are you selling' and 'do you intend to continue selling this kind of item.' I don't know what they would have asked me, but this is disturbing.

I have used coinpal once, and I trade with a lot of people on #bitcoin-otc. Something tells me I'm in the middle of a giant witch hunt. Nothing of mine has been frozen yet, and I am keeping zero balance in my account.

Reviewing the terms of service to determine if I have to answer those above questions. Not that it would stop them from freezing my account if I don't.

I just got my bitbills, they are awesome.

For gods sake, I don't see the point of rehashing the same three (two) potential problems with bitbills over and over. Llama covered it earlier as much as could be covered.

They are designed to be hard to counterfeit, no you can't just go to the dollar store buy the stickers and make indistinguishable replicas. (You can fool stupid people, but that's not a problem bitcoin or anything else can solve).

They are designed to be tamper resistant, no you can't unpeel a sticker, read a private key, and put it back without damaging the plastic. Llama, the choice of putting a smaller sticker on a larger QR code makes it appear to lazy screenshot researchers that that is the only security, like a supermarket price tag or something. People are confused and also willing to spread misconceptions about it.

Can't wait for the next version!

I also want to say that this is one of the most awesome bitcoin projects ever. Watch out for arbitrary rulings against you by the US government or some other government.

Credit cards would introduce way more complexity to the service and condemn llama to waste his time with cc fraud.

$5? I didn't pay that much when I did a test deposit. I guess it depends on your bank. And your country. I deposited for free.

#bitcoin-otc

For all the people who said that they can no longer get fiat money for BTC because they can only use paypal:

I'm currently advocating two services, alertpay and dwolla. Both of these are as easy to set up as paypal, differences follow.

Alertpay will eventually treat bitcoins like paypal does and shut you down. However they haven't reacted yet as far as I know. So this is a good stepping stone in the river of opposition. Also has saner international currency handling than paypal.

Dwolla will eventually treat bitcoins like paypal does and shut you down. However the community opinion is they will take much longer to do that. Dwolla also has lower fees. The downside is that it is American USD only, American bank accounts only.

I accept both of these now as payment, and at this stage it would be good for basically everyone to switch in order to avoid paypal.

We will re-evaluate once alertpay and dwolla attempt to bust bitcoins balls.

Yeah. If you are willing to pay as much as possible to get coins, you will be broke very soon.

You can't buy all the coins because they aren't all for sale.

I'm throwing in 10BTC.
I'll also give you 100BTC when it's done.
Done means you can put it in a box at supertarget next to world of goo.

Probably. Arcade machines are ideas, simulating someone's machine on your computer for your own purposes is immoral.