Oh, they just split.

Spun off a division of their company.  So, if I would have bought in last week, then I would own equity in both companies right now.  I see, thanks, that clears things up. Coinbase will probably make the equity in the spun off division available soon.

Well, maybe Coinbase has answered the question for me because, it seems like they only sell EHF. No EC.

You have to understand that I can't keep my money on the sidelines (all in BTC) with all this action going on.  I need to diversify my crypto portfolio.

I was talked out of getting into Ethereum a few months ago by some veterans here who said that it would never last, and now, here we are today, and mining Ethereum gas is all anyone is talking about. 

So I'm capitulating, and going to invest.

So I love the built in anti theft protection mechanism provided by the Ethereum Hard Fork Foundation, however, the brand name sounds a little less marketable to the youth of today than

"Ethereum Classic" which as Coca-Cola proved, resonates timelessly.

Plus there is a wide discrepancy in market caps when neither coin has any useable apps or market traction yet.  So what reason, besides anti-theft protection is Ethereum Hard Fork trading at a 20x multiple  to Ethereum Classic which obviously has the superior marketing department?

It's not like the applications for one can't easily be re-written to work in the other.

Am I missing something?

Thanks in advance. I'll keep digging in the meantime until I come to a conclusion.

OH NOOO!


SELLL SELLLL SELLLL!


(pleeeeease!!!!)

Why is WBB price on the moon?

price won't move again until V5 is released

1EX V2 is the reason WBB is not still trading where it was in January, and why we are on the moon currently.

Turn it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbzNJr26H-4#t=3m1s

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/04/a-trump-administration-could-send-bitcoin-prices-spiking.html

Happy Halving 2016 my FOMO friends!

so true. this definitely looks cooler than the old imac

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3

god i'm old

lol. u got it, but i have to change the title since Synereo regained the lead

carry on

you get paid to post there

the content doesnt even have to be original

https://steemit.com/steemhelp/@dele-puppy/register-bot

Let me know if I have omitted any, so I can add them, or if my details are in error.

I'm building a diversified portfolio, and according to Amanda, I ain't diversified if I don't own a coin with some shareholder control.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=2m28s

Thanks in advance for helping me make America great again!

Hey TPTB, thanks for the valued feedback... let me see...


Nothing's perfect, if it's good enough for Microsoft, then it's good enough for me.  Next..


Got pleanty of that, looking to diversify into crypto.  I should have said "What CRYPTO platform isn't."  Sorry sir, I'll try to be more precise next time I open my big mouth  



OK, so BitShares is decentralized (more than bitcoin and Ethereum), but it is not permissionless.  That's fine by me, let the winner take it all.  I'm a winner, and I want it all, and I will vote only for those miners who are winners with the ability to take it all, while simultaneously voting out slow nodes.  Competition, survival of the fittest,

Pure Unadulturated Laissez Faire Free Market Capitalism is what made this country great in the first place, and it's what I plan to re-instate to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAI!  Sorry, I can't resist a good grandstand.

Bottom line, is I am the owner, I am the shareholder, so only I should have the power and control over precisely who controls my property.  

"permissioned"?

yes exactly,

my permission




Yeah, it is a bit complex.  It's also for managers who manage multiple bands, and have to distribute royalties.  It tracks who gets what so there can be no band break ups over who got paid more (because it's on the Satoshi certified transparent blockchain).  So yeah, it has some cool things for artists, fans, and managers.  Simple, it is not.  



Thanks again for confirming my selections, however, my main question to everyone when I started this thread has gone unanswered this whole time, and I finally found an answer that should have been obvious to you all by now:



What prominent crypto business sector am I missing?




anyone?



anyone?




Bueller?




Could it be maybe the coin that has doubled in value over this past week and is currently one of the top volume coins on earth!!

Syscoin! (P2P ebay marketplace)

Come on guys, throw me a fricken bone here.  I'm trying to build large positions based on limited capital, and you guys would rather compare shoe sizes than make money?!

I had to stumble upon this phenomenon myself:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1380978.msg14044856#msg14044856

P2P ebay (physical marketplace), is a business sector that was not on my list.  OK, I'm done crying.  Yes, I should not expect anyone else to do my DD.  So then what other companies becides SYS has a decentralized P2P marketplace?

I know that SYS can't be any more "fatally flawed" than the $6 billion coin.  And how flawed could it really be since Microsoft already approved it?  Good enough for me.  But I'm just wondering what other eqally flawed (but acceptable to someone on the level of Microsoft) options there might be hidden in this sector.

All right guys, this is a lot of work, and I'm a little disappointed, but I'm still not giving up.  I've narrowed down the imperfect but acceptable portfolio to bitcoin, BitShares, Namecoin, Peertracks, and now possibly Syscoin (pending further investigation) using Microsoft acceptance as a benchmark.  I'll never stop doing my DD.  And of course, thanks in advance!

Hello again TPTB, thanks again for the help.  I'm not the fastest learner but I'm trying.  I'll just post terse responses to chronological postings.  Let me know which of my references you would like me to post links to (because I know you are busy, and I can easily do DD for you).

It appears that overall, you are trying to form a more perfect union (with everyone), which would definitely make America great again!


No, it has it's own chain (BTS clone)


What platform isn't?


Poor performers get voted out, and are no longer permitted to form blocks. Only historically reliable block producers are allowed to mine.  It's the core feature of the "meritocracy" model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=2m39s


Yes, if that particular artist wants to make his fans angry.
 

Good point, I read that much of the ICO went to paying for lawyers.


Not sure what you mean, please explain.


Wrong business model.  "Notes" now called "MUSE" blockchain tokens are for speculators who pay for the decentralized mining network and stand to profit if the number of transactions (fees) increases to the point that more MUSE can be burned than are created on the blockchain.

Artists (not just musicians) make "coins" for their fans that can be redeemed for front row seats, back stage passes, limited edition swag, etc.  

This project is still in the early stages however:

Fan side vid:
https://youtu.be/aQM4P7uFgk4

Artist side vid:
https://youtu.be/yWOUJehIfJc


Great, let us know when it is liquid, but until then, I must deploy my capital.


I don't know an iota about IOTA, but those who are crying because the IOTA IPO did not have enough positive spam should never post again.  There is already enough spam around here, and besides, here's what you said when you had the chance to purchase IOTA:

(first post in the IOTA ICO thread)

So, tell me exactly, who made it hard to learn about the IOTA ICO again (when you had the chance)?

answer: those who cried "scam"

All top POS coins have been distributed through some type of ICO.


I declared bankrutcy multiple times, so come on now, your mistakes can't be all that bad


Amen brother, let's make America great again!


Who cares about corporations in 2016 son?  They are the apex of "centralization" and survive today only on free fiat handouts from the money printers.

Corporate buybacks are the only thing proping up the market.

And where exactly do they get the money to buy back their own stock?

Bond sales to the ECB, etc. So now that the global stock market valuations are connected directly into the fiat printing press, it's mission accomplished.  

The corporate snake eating its tail is the definition of unsustainability.

Let me know if you want links.

Welcome to the decentralized future where the individuals (aka owners) decide the global standard.  If the people did not chose bitcoin to be the standard unit of crypto value, then who did?  The corporations? lol!


Paying for R&D has been standard buiness prectice for centuries, what's the problem?

Maybe they come up with something, maybe they don't.  Nobody is requiring you to invest.


Some IPO/ICO coins have "sustained" (a large market cap) a position among the most successful cryptos on the planet:

#2. Ethereum POS/IPO
#5. Maidsafe POS
#8. Factom POS/IPO
#9. Bitshares POS/IPO

OK, so it appears that we have progressed no further, but at least we did shorten the 2 points in the following quote down to their essence:

1. no existing crypto is perfectly decentralized but no coins get doublespent
2. IPO = R&D, not scam

(thanks in advance to anyone who can answer the highlighted question at the bottom)

I have nohing against bitcoin, hell, I even own a little. But I'll tell you what I hate is that damn Ethereum. If elected president, I would not only ban Ethereum, but instate mandatory minimum sentences for anyone caught using Ether. The reason is that we need to kill Ethereum before it falls into the hands of the Iranians!

Thanks for showing me the ropes TPTB.  You have proved that many of today’s crypto companies cannot perform what they claim.  My initial portfolio selection sucked, forcing me to step back and re-assess what is even “possible” in crypto today.  

Early adopters can crash the share price at will.  You can’t escape the “the early bird gets the worm” principle, since it is time dependent, so I must disregard “equity distribution” concerns. Known equity distribution is history.  The choice to invest in the future is mine alone, but I will not choose proven liars (who do not indemnify) like Evan.

Who cares about a central entity taking control of a blockchain? Not me.  POW coins are all susceptible to this and so far none of the big cap coin miners have taken advantage of their power because they would destroy the value of the coins that they mine if they did.  

I can sleep even easier with POS since anyone can buy 51% of the company and make me rich before they destroy the value of the company which is an added benefit of POS attacks.

Me and the average Joe care more about "governance and services" than "decentralization and distribution".  Here's our revised portfolio
 
1.   Hashocracy (BTC) – bitcoin miners will not collude to crash the value of the coins they mine, but if they do seppuku, then I own:

2.   Meritocracy (BTS)– where I can vote those miners out, and vote in the miners who perform valuable work for the company.  "Valuable work"  such as file Bill Gate’s paperwork:

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=21842.0

Do you really think that this miner is going to destroy the value of the coins that he just worked so hard to raise the value of? I don't know, why don't you ask him yourself.

3.   Hybrid Hashocrcy/Meritocracy – Decred – If you remember correctly, it was you, not me who first suggested this coin after informing me about Evan’s past theft with DASH.  And of course, you are correct in assuming that the founders are a group of like-minded individuals who will control the vote initially.  Actually, the initial distribution of every coin is a group of people with something in common.  This is just a function of tribalism.  I am free to purchase 51% of all Decred, and control this company.  But don’t you think that they would just leave to form another community with the money that I just gave them?  That’s why worrying about initial distribution is a waste of time.  If you don’t agree with the prevailing views, then why are you going to move into that community in the first place?

The development directions of both DASH and Decred are heavily dependent on the desires of the founders, but if I don’t like it, then I can always create my own coin, or simply decide to not join.  So what you have to ask yourself before joining any POS crypto community is simply:

“Do I agree with the prevailing ideology of the majority?”

I noticed that NXT has both public mining and shareholder voting on development decisions which seem to place it squarely into this category.  So it looks like I have 2 choices:  Decred or NXT.  It’s a toss up.  

File Storage sector – OK, so Maidsafe is not safe, but what about Alexandria/Florincoin who use IFPS? I’m not actually sold on this sector simply because security is paramount, and if it is hackable (as you have proven it to be) then it defeats the purpose.  I will be waiting to try some polished products before buying into this sector.  Furthermore, it would seem logical that “storage” is just a commodity that can be easily replicated and due to the “Tragedy of the Commons” as you say, will cause cheap and effective imitators to crop up because it would appear that when the only metric for success is price (price per megabyte), then it won’t matter which network you are on (name brand or “Brand X” who cares).  I don’t see how one storage company can differentiate itself over another by anything but price (how do you win the "network effect" here?), so I’m not buying into this sector for now.

Record storage sector – Factom – I read your “F-Factom” rant, plus accounting for the realization of commoditized storage problems of scale (low margin business), I have decided to currently refrain from investing in this sector for now, unless you know of any potential effective solutions.

Social Networking – Synereo – Yes, it does seem kind of “Pie in the Sky”, and again, after reading your rants, and trying to understand a single word of their hangouts, I can’t tell what is going on here besides the fact that they are still in the creative planning stages, and nowhere near as finished as Peertracks, which seems to be trying to encompass the social networking (attention economy) aspect, which is why I have lumped these 2 categories together.  

https://youtu.be/aQM4P7uFgk4

https://youtu.be/yWOUJehIfJc

Can I ask you, TPTB, how far along are you on your social networking project?  Because this is obviously a tremendously lucrative space that will be sprouting competitors continuousy for years.  What other competitors are there in this space besides Synereo, Peertracks, and Alexandria?

This brings me to the “World Computer” category, and according to Roach’s post, if Ethereum pulls this off, then Vitalik is 10x smarter than Satoshi.  Therefore, I will have to wait until Augur releases before I buy Ethereum, because, this platform certainly does not look scalable.  I will wait to see if they can create a valid POS network and a valid partitioned network first.  
Is this crypto business sector of “World Computer” invalid?  Or is this what IOTA is supposed to do?  I’m completely lost on this sector, and this new IOTA coin everyone is talking about.  This sector is going to take me some more research.

Wow, my portfolio is shrinking by the minute.  Let’s see, what sectors are left. Oh, yeah, anonymity solutions.  It looks like I will have to wait for Zcash, eh?  When is this coming out?  The top 3 coins with anonymity (DASH, BitShares, and Monero) are all in the same league, but Zcash (or Zerocoin /ZSnarks?) is in a whole other universe?  I’ll take your word for it, because those threads are brain busters!  

Well, now my portfolio only consists of a handful of coins: Bitcoin, BitShares, Peertracks, and Namecoin giving me a scam-average of 13% which is twice as good as the 24% average!  I'd say that is a pretty awesome score. What's yours?  You will need to recalculate the average each time since it keeps changing.

I still need to research the “World Computer”, “Social Networking” sectors and wait for Zcash.

One final question I have for the peanut gallery:

Is there nothing else out there that is effectively delivering what they claim to do (business solutions)?

BTW, what’s with the ABJ dis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=16s

Ah, thank you for re-posting my thread.  I still need to sift through much of your reply. But in the meantime, I am looking for the "best of breed" in the following crypto business sectors in order to build a portfolio.  I've assumed greater market caps are better, unless the community has been scammed by dictator before.

Here is what I have so far:

I have divided my selections into 2 distinct categories:
1.   Governance Models
2.   Niche Businesses

So far, we have only identified 4 major categories of crypto company/community governance models:

1.   - In a Hashocracy like bicoin, only the miners choose which future developments get implemented (which hard forks to take), and anyone is free to compete in the coin mining process.  The original Bitcoin Foundation members did not like fact that they lost their ability to control the miners, so they left to form Decred which is a:

2.   - hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy which allows anyone to compete in the coin mining, but only coin holders get to vote on development directions (which hard fork to take).  DASH is now a hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy like Decred, but started out as a Dictatorship when Evan misrepresented the total number of shares without indemnifying the shareholders.  Since the SEC has no jurisdiction over a crypto company, there can be no legal recourse for suffering through injustices experienced as a shareholder of a company ruled as a:

3.   - Dictatorship is where a central man or entity tells the miners what to do.  I pledge to avoid any investments in companies who are or have ever been ran as a Dictatorship due to the lack of legal shareholder recourse described in #3 above.

4.   - In a pure Meritocracy like BitShares, shareholders determine which hard forks to take and who is allowed to mine new coins (1 BTS = 1 Vote).  This type of community resembles that of a traditional company with multiple owners.

Because I obviously need to be politically correct here, I formally apologize to Amanda for criticizing her explanation of the DASH governmental structure as anything but its former dictatorship because it’s obvious now that Masternode owners are in control of the DASH network, even though that was not always the case.  I simply choose not to associate with former dictators, and I don’t want to lose the female vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=2m8s
(I stand corrected Ms. Johnson)

In our second category for crypto investment, I'm searching for the best of breed (large cap) crypto companies in each niche market.  

I only came up with 8 niche crypto business sectors.  Please let me know if I am overlooking any sectors.  Again, I want only the largest cap company in that sector, but not if it has ever been ran a Dictatorship:

1.   the largest (biggest market cap) data storage company is Maidsafe
2.   the largest records database company is Factom
3.   the largest social networking company is Synereo
4.   the largest music monetization company is MUSE
5.   the largest public Turing complete computer is Ethereum
6.   the largest anonymity solution (omitting DASH) is BitShares
7.   the largest file swapping service company is Florincoin (The Alexandria Project)
8.   the largest domain name company is Namecoin

So to summarize:

Are there any crypto business types or governance structures that I have not considered?

Thanks in advance

How do you allow for multiple votes?

I'm not seeing the option.  I'll change it, but I don't know how.

wow

Thank you TPTB, that's exactly the type of analysis I've been looking for!

It's going to take me quite a while to weed through all this though.  

I really appreciate your time sir.

wow

Thanks for giving me a glimpse into the cryptoscam glacier.  It's going to take me a while to pick my way through that mess.  It's good to see the crypto game for what it is though.  Competition in business is no less brutal.

Monero was not on my Index Fund list because there are larger cap companies that provide the same level of service. But good looking out my friend. If I had been considering Monero, I would definitely think twice. Thanks again.

  LOL, cheers to you my friend, Mr. Spoetnik, I freely admit that my knowledge of crypto tech is sparse, hence this poll for info.
 
Abraham Lincoln surrounded himself with advisors who were not only smarter than him, but they did not always agree with him either.  Like honest Abe, I do not want a cabinet of yes men.  I prefer to immerse myself in the progressive state of the art genius that is available to me at my fingertips.  We’ll never make America great again if we refuse to learn new technologies.  I am walking the talk.

I welcome the tough love, and don’t expect to be treated as a celebrity but as any old noob who is fresh off the boat stumbling into the wrong bar after hours.  I’m thick skinned and a proven winner who will bounce back leaner and smarter than before.  I appreciate your help here, so please bear with me while I hone the prospectus for my “2016 Crypto Equity Index Freedom Fund”

I have divided my selections into 2 distinct categories:
1.   Governance Models
2.   Niche Businesses

So far, we have only identified 4 major categories of crypto company/community governance models:

1.   - In a Hashocracy like bicoin, only the miners choose which future developments get implemented (which hard forks to take), and anyone is free to compete in the coin mining process.  The original Bitcoin Foundation members did not like fact that they lost their ability to control the miners, so they left to form Decred which is a:

2.   - hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy which allows anyone to compete in the coin mining, but only coin holders get to vote on development directions (which hard fork to take).  DASH is now a hybrid Hashocracy/Meritocracy like Decred, but started out as a Dictatorship when Evan misrepresented the total number of shares without indemnifying the shareholders.  Since the SEC has no jurisdiction over a crypto company, there can be no legal recourse for suffering through injustices experienced as a shareholder of a company ruled as a:

3.   - Dictatorship is where a central man or entity tells the miners what to do.  I pledge to avoid any investments in companies who are or have ever been ran as a Dictatorship due to the lack of legal shareholder recourse described in #3 above.

4.   - In a pure Meritocracy like BitShares, shareholders determine which hard forks to take and who is allowed to mine new coins (1 BTS = 1 Vote).  This type of community resembles that of a traditional company with multiple owners.

Because I obviously need to be politically correct here, I formally apologize to Amanda for criticizing her explanation of the DASH governmental structure as anything but its former dictatorship because it’s obvious now that Masternode owners are in control of the DASH network, even though that was not always the case.  I simply choose not to associate with former dictators, and I don’t want to lose the female vote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=2m8s
(I stand corrected Ms. Johnson)

In our second category for crypto investment, I'm searching for the best of breed (large cap) crypto companies in each niche market.  

I only came up with 8 niche crypto business sectors.  Please let me know if I am overlooking any sectors.  Again, I want only the largest cap company in that sector, but not if it has ever been ran a Dictatorship:

1.   the largest (biggest market cap) data storage company is Maidsafe
2.   the largest records database company is Factom
3.   the largest social networking company is Synereo
4.   the largest music monetization company is MUSE
5.   the largest public Turing complete computer is Ethereum
6.   the largest anonymity solution (omitting DASH) is BitShares
7.   the largest file swapping service company is Florincoin (The Alexandria Project)
8.   the largest domain name company is Namecoin

So to summarize:

Are there any crypto business types or governance structures that I have not considered?

Thanks in advance, and there was one question, I have yet to field:


Community members = coin holders or shareholders

Negative affects = decisions made outside shareholder control that have the potential to lower the share price.  

Evan stealing coins is such a negative effect even though he did not sell them on the open market, he could at any time.

Political Policies are direct statements taken from whitepapers, bitcointalk announcement threads, or any written dev post.

A scam is a lie that can only be proven by objective fact (no different than in a court of law).

Your feedback and criticism is greatly appreciated.  Thank you again my friends.

How to get women into bitcoin?

I'm more interested in getting into bitcoin women!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VQGlcLFhwE0#t=15s