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As i told a guy that have sent me a PM, i was at a work doing 2nd shift and i couldnt send him info he asked and i told him i will do it when i come home.
So here are his bank infos:
HU87 1040 2812 8050 5553 5750 6002
name is Zoltan Nagy, bank is K&H Budapest, Hungary.
Now, all of you calling me a scammer i have samething to say to you, FUCK OFF. I have a real job and a baby on the way and i have more important things in my life then this forum.
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I have to apologise to every one in this group buy i asked vdragon to leave order for only 30 erupter for me and return me part of money. We just find out that my gf is pregnant 2 months now and need the money for lot of things now. I see that the group buy is doing good and i am sure this will not be a set back.
I found this to be a legitimate reason, and I will be sending you BTC shortly. There is huge interest in the group buy, and we will fill the order anyhow in next few days, most likely by Wednesday anyhow. Congratulations to your girlfriend and to you on the baby, and have fun - it will bring you a lot of joy  Thank you. Arived. |
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I have to apologise to every one in this group buy i asked vdragon to leave order for only 30 erupter for me and return me part of money. We just find out that my gf is pregnant 2 months now and need the money for lot of things now. I see that the group buy is doing good and i am sure this will not be a set back.
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I dont think it is in their interest to do anything about saving a currency that cant be subjected to taxes, can be used in " shady " business. It is in government interest to take control of something like that and use it for their own purpose.
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So we have one country.. where are 180+ othe countries?
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LOl WW3, tell me please. who will enter that war?
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So w8, Israel is close to war, again.. Lets step aside a little bit and see how many countries USA invaded in the last 60 years? From the top of my mind. Korea, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Grenada, Libya, Yugoslavia and so on.... Some of those countries have been attacked more times... And the sad part is average American cant even find 50% of those countries on a map....
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It is already happened. Bitcoin. Bitcoins are like Freenet or Tor. The extremely aggressive and invasive actions required to take any of them down will result in small gain together with large protests. Decentralized and open source networks cannot be taken down. Probably after all governments have leaned something. You can trace to some extent you cant trace origin of something made from 0 and 1. Something has te bo behind it,, u cant simply make money out of anything, right? Protests? Do you really think that will stop government to do anything if they chose so? They have taken down megaupload, they can take down anything if they chose to do it |
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Hope is one thing, reality is something different. Bitcoin will be present ( i hope ) but only real value is behind the fact that atm it cn=ant be traced ( or we think that ). The moment some government controls it, value will drop. And even now value isn stable. Investing into something thats not stable is risky even more so that noone knows what and who is behind it. And if you thing some country ( like USA ) cant simply "close" bitcoin down and trace transaction, you are msitaken, they could do that decades ago, who knows what can they do now. That is why i think some government ( USA ) is behind it.
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Yes  Bitcoin as it is now can be private. However, if governments can listen in on what kind of traffic occurs on any person's connection, they could tell if youre attempting to butt them out. As of now, we have a right to privacy. If CISPA and all its cousins get their way, being anonamous on the web will be a thing of the past. But you need to consider that bitcoin value differs and one day it can be worth 100$ and next day 70$. No country would invest into something like that, and how would you out a tax on it? I buy a car from you with bitcoins and i pay you 300bitcoins, tomorrow you might lose 5-10K $$$. Market is way 2 small, there isnt much $$$ in bitcoins.... |
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Governments arent necessarily againt Bitcoin, it's the feds that dont like it. A government owned by feds will despise Bitcoin, but the biggest law-passer in the world is still extremely slow to act. Bitcoin is no more legal or illegal than gold, and no law ever stopped piracy, so why bother passing one? They're more focused on controlling the Internet; if they accomplish this (and they're always trying) then you can expect a whole slew of prosecuting to begin. America would love to tax Bitcoin, and since every transaction is public, they could potentially force users to declare their identities so they can be properly taxed. It would be impossible to avoid taxation at that point, unless you resort to trading cash in person again.
Well not true. You can hold gold in you hands, you can dig for it, its is not made of 0 and 1, it is a currecy used is so many ways. MMF uses it also, World Bank and so on... Bitcoin is worth less then 1 billion $ ( atm ) so thats not much "money" to start with. You cant tax something that is virtual, thats not like money on PP ( $, punds, yen, and so on ), and since you cant control it its not good for any country. |
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I have seen those guys in combat and they run from gunfire.
I need to see a video of you actually watching them running from gun fire..... or it didn't happen LOL haha. I don't have video of it. But tonight I will check to see if can find some of me running away. I did a lot of running away in the Balkans and elsewhere. But in all seriousness, the troops I met there were not eager to fight. Now the Guatemalans, they were batshit-crazy to mix it up. Real warriors (unlike me) run toward the sound of gunfire. Remind of something, but didnt US troops fleed Somalia, Lost Viethnam war, well any war that wasnt based on using cruise missile and war fought from few K miles? How many times US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan? |
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Currency that cant be traced? That will never happen. Im still not sure how did any country ( USA for example ) let bitcoins be "active" for all this years. Only one thing comes to my mind, some strong government is behind it using some project.....
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MAy be true, well it is true considering some ppl cant take out their money now. happened to many countries back in the 90s. But considering that Germany is doing exatly what they did in 40s ( without military power and war ), then well you can join if you are stron or u can suffer. Globalisation has started long time ago, this is just one phase...
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End of governments? Nope, it wont happen anytime soon. Some governments are so strong ( Germany ) that they can rule entire countries without military need. Well globalisation is the key...
1 word - Cyprus Now I know you all didn't see this coming, but there it is, the start of the end, welcome to tomorrow, glad to ride these waves with you  Cyprus is in proble for decades due to 1 part being Turkish and 2nd part Greece. So nope not a valid example. Goevrmentas dont fall just like that, those things dont happen. Just take a look at Cuba, SSSR was comunist for decades. So try better. |
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Well again no, value of something has always been how someone is prepaird to pay. You can value your car to 50k $$$ but its worth how much is someone willing to pay. Also no, i'm richer on paper but in fact i lost 99billion and my country lost even also, while company and that country is getting richer. Also when you are occupied you cant say no, even if that occupation is not military. Thus you have Giffen goods such as Oil where price is rising and demand is rising also. And who has oil, well satellite states owned by USA.
If you consider that every time you sell something and someone is able to sell it for more that you lost something, you are calculating things wrong and in for a disappointing life. Why would anyone wish to purchase your labor if they were not able to profit off of it somehow? We are not talking about selling something. If you have a problem to understand then well... Im talking about exploiting country rich in reasurces and without cash to start production by the country with large pockets. Who is talking about use of labor and making money that way. Large companies are only interested in making cash/money and thats the reason why are they moving entire facotries to a country that has low wages, we are talking about a company that wants to earn 10$ for every 1$ invested. Profit is Ok, but profit made by exploting other countries is not. Thats the reason why globalization is bad. EU market is a prof of that. Small countries cant compete with big countries I think you'd like what Herman Daly says: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3941Will read it whn i get back home. Need to take GF to dinner  |
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Well again no, value of something has always been how someone is prepaird to pay. You can value your car to 50k $$$ but its worth how much is someone willing to pay. Also no, i'm richer on paper but in fact i lost 99billion and my country lost even also, while company and that country is getting richer. Also when you are occupied you cant say no, even if that occupation is not military. Thus you have Giffen goods such as Oil where price is rising and demand is rising also. And who has oil, well satellite states owned by USA.
If you consider that every time you sell something and someone is able to sell it for more that you lost something, you are calculating things wrong and in for a disappointing life. Why would anyone wish to purchase your labor if they were not able to profit off of it somehow? We are not talking about selling something. If you have a problem to understand then well... Im talking about exploiting country rich in reasurces and without cash to start production by the country with large pockets. Who is talking about use of labor and making money that way. Large companies are only interested in making cash/money and thats the reason why are they moving entire facotries to a country that has low wages, we are talking about a company that wants to earn 10$ for every 1$ invested. Profit is Ok, but profit made by exploting other countries is not. Thats the reason why globalization is bad. EU market is a prof of that. Small countries cant compete with big countries |
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Last century, Americans company were coming in Canada, pumping iron and buying mining companies for cheap. With the same iron, they shipped it back into the US, made steel with it and sold it back to us at like 5x times the original price. I know "capitalist/freedom/etc", but this type of business doesn't create any plus-value.
That's a rather ignorant statement on your part. No added value? Try building something out of iron ore. As it comes out of the ground, it's rather useless. Refining ore into steel is an energy-intensive process. Try telling me with a straight face that there's no value in that. Well you are ignoring the fact that phase products arent calcualted into GDP. You cant calculate iron ore 2x 3x 4x or even more. You can opnly calcualte it 1 time and you will chose when. So a company that buying iron ore and making ingots is contributing to GDP more then a miner mining that iron ore. You cant add value of iron ore and iron ingots. When you use that iron to make cars, bridges, building then its a new process thus it is calculated gain, Its not cumulative number... |
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My country has cash so i go to you and tell you, Ok sir will you sell me, lease me or anything similar your land for 1billion $. You rub your hands thinking how good deal that was but in fact real value of your land is lets say 100billion $.
Free & fair trade leaves both parties the richer. The value of a good is what the market settles on. If you sell your land for 1 billion, that's what it's worth to you. Again worng. there is no fair trade when one side is getting richer and one losing money. Well again no, value of something has always been how someone is prepaird to pay. You can value your car to 50k $$$ but its worth how much is someone willing to pay. Also no, i'm richer on paper but in fact i lost 99billion and my country lost even also, while company and that country is getting richer. Also when you are occupied you cant say no, even if that occupation is not military. Thus you have Giffen goods such as Oil where price is rising and demand is rising also. And who has oil, well satellite states owned by USA. |
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