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1  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 27, 2017, 07:33:38 AM
Guys I really appreciate the time and effort put out by some of the members to take out so much calculations and facts. Although no one have any personal motive but still this much effort is commendable. I was also researching GBC for long time and took lot of user feedback which turned out to be positive as there is not issues with payouts. I myself also put some calculations in place and somehow their model looks feasible.
Current BTC mined per 10 minutes (average): 12.5 BTC
Current BTC mined per hour (average): 75 BTC
Current BTC mined per day (average): 1800 BTC
Current BTC mined per month (average): 54000 BTC  
GBMiners Hashrate: 5% of total available on Blockchain
GBMiners mined bitcoin per month: 2700 BTC
They may have been earning some transaction fees as well.

GBC contract validity: 18 Months
Average life of mining hardware: 4 years (estimated)
Months left after user’s contract expires: 30 Months

Now see, how is it happening. The hardware purchased by any user will server atleast 18-30 more months and their hashing power is increasing day by day for new users. That is the reason, they go with very rough calculations because they know this can be done this way.
I feel this is that magic which is working for them, I can’t say they are scam because of committed payout. They have kept the contract prices same even after prices went nearly 3 times high in a year and with that they can plant more servers or can sell the BTC bulk at peak prices and can buy at lower rates after the crashes.
I feel Amit will not highlight himself so much if he is not genuine because wherever he will stay after any scam, govt. will catch him bcz the amount at stake is very high here. They are saying that they are getting registered in India in March 2017, and if this happens people will not face any issue in my opinion.


I somehow completely buy your point. In GB, people are getting a fixed and limited income for 18 months only. After the 18 months until the hardware remains in operation can be used to mine for company or for new users. More the people, more the after 18 months income for company. And if I compare it to Genesis mining (as usually people do), they ask for around $200-220 to mine around half of what GB is giving monthly with one BTC investment. Even if I calculate roughly, GB is getting four times (around $800/BTC than compare to $200) than what Genesis is asking and giving only twice compare to what Genesis is giving and that too for just 18 months. So GB is getting huge profits already from the users and that is the reason they may be able to pay the MLM format. The BTC price is expected to grow gradually in future so the comparo between Genesis's $200 mining outputs with GB will be irrelevant all the time. The MLM will pull in more people which will boost incoming BTC's investment for GB and on another hand the BTC price itself is growing (if at all matter for GB) day by day so its like huge, huge profit for them to run this model for a long time may be we cant imagine seeing the population in India.  Grin
2  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 10, 2017, 06:45:20 AM
Ok, So I invested .1 BTC last month and raised a refund for it and got it back successfully. I am going to invest .5 BTC*2 out of which I will enter into system with .5 and will raise a refund for another .5 BTC. Assuming they only return small amount lets see what happen with .5 BTC.

Another thing is that I have met few people on the web and spoke on the phone who are getting payouts since almost 15 months now and everything is fine and regular for them and they don't have any chain or anything under them. One of the person invested only 1 BTC and another invested around 3-4 BTC's and things are good for them.

I have takes the risk of a small amount, lets see what happens next. At least I will understand how it actually works and even if I calculate things more incoming and less outgoing basis I guess this thing is gonna run long long way.

Will share more details soon.
3  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: January 03, 2017, 05:46:19 AM

This sounds good. Their Coinbank wallet works fine and good to see that they are going to use it like a bank and fixed deposits. And about the copy paste website data from Hashocean also sounds logical to me.

I am also doing some researches on GB by entering into their system to know how it actually works. Will share some inputs soon.
4  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 26, 2016, 10:59:31 AM

Thanks.
How many Gh/s do you get for 0.1BTC?
What does the refund policy say?
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You get 10% of whatever amount of BTC you invest, in this case it becomes 0.01/month for 18 months. I know its very small but the amount you invested is also very small.

Ok, I was just scrawling on the internet over the weekend and found few more facts, don't know if you guys are aware so sharing here. My purpose of doing all this is to understand if it is really a scam? I know you guys posted all the links and docs in earlier posts to prove that it is not good at all but I just want to be neutral and would like to think from both side (no offence to anyone). Also, I've risked 0.1 BTC to understand how it actually works, because I think until & unless you get into it and sign up you don't get complete info. Speaking from out of system is just so easy. I found few below facts about Amit and GB and want to understand if it is a scam how those media websites/houses are unaware and simply praising Amit /GB.

1. GB were mining in F2 pool until few months back (as they says) and GB's owner Amit got his own mining pool with some Nikunj and 1-2 more people. Amit is the one of main investor in Gbminers pool as those all news says:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/indias-path-to-bitcoin-adoption-interview-with-the-largest-non-chinese-mining-pool

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/bitcoins-accepted-by-over-500-merchants-in-india-says-gbminers-co-founder-amit-bhardwaj-353532.html

http://coinjournal.net/new-indian-mining-pool-gbminers-gains-3-of-network-hashrate-views-bitcoin-unlimited-positively/

2. I also searched even if GBminer pool exist or not then I found that Blockchain proves that it exists.

https://blockchain.info/pools

3. I logged into the website and clicked on the refund button which people says is not working but I found it is working perfectly fine. When you click on the link it opens up a page which ask details about you. Was trying to upload that screenshot to show you guys but could not, seems like this site accept only web images. (let me know if I can directly attach a image)

I am not here to prove anyone wrong or false, I am just trying to understand if everything is bad then how things are happening pretty well and facts which they says comes true in real world parallel. They said something big coming, they launched their pool. They said we're bringing the refund policy, they made it real. They said we're developing our own wallet, they did it and I must say that wallet is pretty sorted with good features.

I called on their customer support numbers/email ids and got good timely answers as well.

The worst I can say even if it is a scam, by seeing the developments and efforts they are putting seems like they have long long to go before they vanish.
5  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 23, 2016, 07:18:23 AM
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As I said, I refer to their own website for information.
.1 BTC shows up only when you sign in and not at the outside on home page as they have more plan with more BTC's till 100 which shows up only when you login.

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I haven't seen any refund policies on their website.
Refund policy option came in Oct-Nov and that also shows up after you login.
6  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 22, 2016, 06:51:25 AM
I think I must try my hands with them. Let me try with some small amount.

If even after reading thread  some is willing to invest then  only thing concludes is that "someone" might have already invested in gainbitcoin. And here that someone is trying to publicize mlm scam.
  

I have not yet and I am not bothered if you are not convinced.

Would you recommend any other BTC mining company which looks good?
7  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 22, 2016, 06:39:04 AM
I think I must try my hands with them. Let me try with some small amount.

 Smiley The siren call of profit.....

The smallest amount you can buy a Gain mining contract for is 1BTC, say 55,000 INR today.
However, in the MLM industry (and in some "cloudminers") it's not unknown for your upline to offer a partial share if you cannot meet the company's minimum purchase requirements.
This involves giving cash to a third party under an informal arrangement.

Anyway, if you give Gain 55,000 (and completely disregard the mathematics of my previous posts), then you can expect to receive back ~ 5500 rupees per month for 10 months (in the event of no BTC price change and payments actually being made as promised...).
So, in October 2017 you may have been paid back your 1BTC in stages and are now at break even.
Or are you?
None of us have crystal balls, but it is clear that Bitcoin is a bull market.
Let us say, for the sake of illustration, that the bull run continues at 10% per month (as it basically has over the last year).
Do the math between "investing" in Gain mining and simply hodling that 1BTC. (Should the price of Bitcoin collapse so will many miners, as their fixed overheads are denominated in fiat).

after  INR k value *mining returns (cumulative, converted back into rupees on receipt)
1 month 60.5        6.05
2          66.55      12.706
3          73.2        20.025
4          80.52      28.077
5          88.58      36.935
6          97.43      46.678
7         107.18     57.396
8         117.90     69.186
9         129.69     82.155
10       142.66     96.421

*assuming they are continually made @ 10% monthly. See likelihood of this in my previous posts. Numbers rounded.

they declared that they will transfer bitcoins only  their app address.

If that is so, it gives you an indication of how fast and loose they play with their promises and T&C's

Quote from: gainbitcoin
DIRECT WITHDRAWAL
Save the withdrawal address once & and receive withdrawal automatically to any wallet of your choice.

Do you really want these people owing you money for ten months?
        



Thanks for the calculations and it is clear that holding BTC is more profitable. BTW, the smallest amount you can give them is 0.1 BTC which is almost 5.5k today.
8  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 21, 2016, 11:12:58 AM
I think I must try my hands with them. Let me try with some small amount.
9  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 21, 2016, 06:35:50 AM

The app looks ridiculously primitive and without any better feature. I'm highly doubtful how secure it is. And their charges are way to high.

The app link https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.coinbank.wallet&hl=en

I found their wallet good actually, it is device based and not the database based on the cloud out in other country. And that fees is the transaction fees as standard in Bitcoin network, BTW.
10  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 19, 2016, 11:52:41 AM
There you go:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=info.coinbank.wallet&hl=en
11  Local / India / Re: Amit Bhardwaj/Kumar and a HashOcean clone called Gainbitcoin. on: December 16, 2016, 07:19:47 AM
I just saw that they have launched their Bitcoin wallet as well (Coinbank) last month and it looks pretty good in terms of how it works.

I dont know what is cooking there, good or bad.  Undecided
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