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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 24, 2016, 09:34:54 PM
about 100 people have 10k or more, 150-200 people have 5k or more.

Just a little while ago you could buy 5000 XMR for under 10 BTC.. And it stayed that way for a long time.. You really think there are only ~200 people out there with higher balances than 5k?

I have written threads about the specifics of the model how these can be calculated. Instead of referring to those, I try to write it again in less formal but more understandable way.

1. Number of coins (XMR) is known, 12,700,000.

2. There is a largest holding. We don't know how large it is but my belief is more than 500,000 and less than 5,000,000 XMR. I am assuming 1,000,000 in the beginning of the deduction.

3. There is the smallest holding that matters. Anything below that is considered dust, and its owners don't count. Let us use 1 XMR because it's a round figure. Usually I prefer about $2 worth.

The above is true because it just is. So how can we know anything about how the coins are owned by people?

The answer is statistical probability. The number of coins each owner has, is a random variable. Therefore, the probability of someone owning 231 XMR (or: any number between 231-231.999999999999) has to be very near the probability of someone owning 232 XMR (or: any number between 232-232.999999999999). Or if not, there needs to be a valid explanation.

Another rule is called power law, and it says that the top end of many statistical phenomena, tends to behave so that if the largest value is 1, the second, third, etc. largest values are close to 1/2, 1/3, etc (or: the set [1; 1/2; 1/3; ...] is a good fit to the set of actual values).

Therefore, with the initial guess that the largest owner has 1,000,000 XMR, we can first construct the power law "elite" of 1,000 owners who own anything between 1,000 XMR (1,000th richest) and 1,000,000 XMR (1st richest). In total, the 1,000 largest owners have 7,500,000 XMR.

This answers your question. The reason there are surprisingly little people who fulfil "owns at least X XMR" is that to satisfy statistical continuity, there has to be people owning 2x that amount, and the number of those people tends to be 1/2x the number owning the smaller amount, and this goes all the way until the largest holding.

So the TOP-1000 who have 1,000 XMR or more, collectively own 7,500,000 XMR. The rest, with smaller holdings, are much more in number, but altogether own only 5,200,000 XMR.

There is a scenario universe for the possible assumptions. It is possible to decide sigma levels and make a more complicated multi-scenario calculation. But it does not really matter.

Really appreciate the detailed response, that def makes sense. It just initially seemed hard to believe due to the relativity low amount of BTC it used to take to achieve 5K but you make some very valid points, thanks  Smiley
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 24, 2016, 08:19:09 PM
will only 5000 XMR be ok for me? - or will i be a poor man in my future? what is a "good amount" of this coin to hold?

How many people hold over 10K coin of this?

how many people hold 5k ? -- if you have to make guess? I know there is no richlist so if any veteran XMR member can give me opinion

There is about the same number of XMR as there is BTC, both in circulation, and in total.

So this answers all your questions:

Holding 5000 XMR is like holding 5000 BTC. If it does not feel good enough, then it's too little.

There are about as many people holding 10k or 5k, as there are people holding 10000 or 5000 BTC. I can also tell the number, after practicing quite a lot of this in my youth: about 100 people have 10k or more, 150-200 people have 5k or more.

Just a little while ago you could buy 5000 XMR for under 10 BTC.. And it stayed that way for a long time.. You really think there are only ~200 people out there with higher balances than 5k?
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 23, 2016, 02:15:42 AM
@smoothie do your silver coins still cost 220 XMR a piece? Thats approaching $1,000  Grin
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 23, 2016, 01:47:56 AM
Champagne and popcorn time...

Where is the top...?!   Seems we're taking a breather after pipping over .0065, but is there more to come?  Can't stop watching - just watching Polo troll box is delightful.

I guess we are too classy to be posting train pics, or 'boom' gifs?

I'm not sure but I think that train pics and such are not allowed Sad

Top?  We are presently at 0.65% of btc.  Paltry.

Number of Monero I have sold during this rise = 0

Edit:  I did buy a relatively small amount @420

Well now we have hit 0.0075 I wish I could say the same, as I have sold more than I wish I had (with hindsight).

I set up ladders of sells and buys as I have done since it first opened on Polo and I have stuck to prioritising accumulation while passively range trading constantly to average down my price per coin overall.  I wanted to maintain a 0.1% of supply holding, but tonight with it smashing many of my upper rungs so fast, I am below target by an amount I will struggle to claw back.  Of course I can't complain, although I just wish I could get BTC out of Polo quicker than the minimum limits allow.

It's been a fantastic 24 hours for those of us in in for the long term though....

And shame about the trains, we're a stuffy lot sometimes, a little exuberance is occasionally warranted IMHO.



Don't feel bad about that.. I was kinda in your same boat. Close to .1% but sold off a lot today. Made my initial investment back and then some  Grin  Gonna be hard for me as well to get back to that level but it's all good. Will prob just be sitting back now and watching how things unfold, staying away from trading until/unless we go back under .004~.005
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why the darkcoin/dash instamine matters on: August 18, 2016, 05:56:45 AM
All else aside, i liked the Darkcoin name much better than DASH  Undecided
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin is officially dead on: August 10, 2016, 02:34:31 AM
If bitcoin bubbles again and goes to several thousand dollars, LTC could easily go to $50-100
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alt coins worth buying on: August 09, 2016, 08:00:16 PM
ETC & XMR are the most promising  Cool
8  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 1000 BTC GIVEAWAY! From your friend rekcahxfb on: August 04, 2016, 04:42:32 AM
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Thanks!
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin Price Speculation 2016 * POLL* on: July 10, 2016, 02:01:26 AM
litecoin is cheap right now relative to bitcoin. imo there's good odds ltc>.02 at some point in the near term
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin Roadmap Release on Sunday on: July 03, 2016, 04:05:04 AM
while i definately agree ltc brings nothing new to the table and is essentially a btc clone.. it found a unique spot in the crypto currency world imo. It has been by magnitudes compared to most other alt coins the most liquid & consistently in top 5 market cap. i believe this is due to china. for whatever reason they value it more than any other altcoin.. ltc's value resides simply in the fact that its a great speculation tool.. the odds of it disappearing are slim
11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: When Dogecoin halving? on: July 03, 2016, 03:49:20 AM
i know ...  soft spot in my heart for doge ... 25 satos?
Resistance 250 satos?

if doge goes under 33 sat i am buying. the odds of another pump of greater than +75 sats is good imo
12  Economy / Speculation / Re: Welcome back! $700 on: July 03, 2016, 03:19:51 AM
it's a little too soon to cheer and call the moon because of this rise but it is very good to see price slowly rising up back to ~$700 and with the halving around the corner there will be all kinds of hype and excitement for bitcoin very soon.

Very true. Regardless of these short term fluctuations.. btc is headed up  Smiley
13  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will one BTC ever reach the value of 50k? on: June 25, 2016, 02:40:35 AM
Not the right question.  You mean - will the buying power of one BTC equal the buying power of 50k USD today?  Who cares if BTC is 50k if a can of coke costs $3,000...

True. I think the odds are good we hit 50k before 2030.. Purchasing power is another story
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Litecoin will see 10$ and above 2016 on: June 13, 2016, 03:13:15 PM
.0075 LTC/BTC is a really good entry point imo.. the odds that we see ~.02ish in the near future is good. When btc bubbles ltc bubbles higher.. thanks china  Grin
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / If the DAO is successful, would it make sense to try a DAG (Decentralized Govt) on: June 01, 2016, 04:40:16 PM
Like the DAO cuts out the ahole CEO and board memebers.. the DAG cuts out the politicians  Grin
16  Economy / Speculation / Re: How many ppl do you think own more than 100 btc? on: May 25, 2016, 10:24:46 PM
This thread has attempted to determine the distribution of bitcoins by person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.0


Thank you  Smiley
17  Economy / Speculation / How many ppl do you think own more than 100 btc? on: May 25, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
It is my ultimate goal even though im not close to that number at the moment  Tongue.. But curious to hear ppls guesses to the 100 btc club
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The bottom will drop out of the alt market soon on: April 30, 2016, 10:23:24 PM
roach, I've seen many of your posts and you seem like a very smart dude. But to say the bottom will drop out of the alt market bc btc is halving seems a little short sighted.. I mean who knows, you may be right but looking back to '12 the last time btc halved and went up ridiculously.. didin't ltc come along for the ride? i believe it apprectated more than btc.. maybe ltc halved then too, idk but it seems like alot of alts come along for the btc ride just because  Cheesy
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POS coins on: April 30, 2016, 10:09:26 PM
Hasn't POS been shown to be inferior to PoW due to the nothing's at stake problem? Not trolling genuinely curious as to the status of this
20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Chikun arising? on: April 30, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
gotta feeling ltc will rise higher reletive to btc if it bubbles again.. Just seems to always come along for the btc ride  Cool
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