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1  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Official Quoine Exchange Thread on: July 14, 2016, 09:40:34 PM
Hi,

As explained in the previous post (#238), there are varying circumstances from case to case, and only accounts with mispriced trades resulting from this pricing issue have had fiats and bitcoin withdrawals halted. And again, balance resets to zero without any notification should not have happened without proper communication between platform and users.

I have also been advised that we have good reasons, from trading volume and balance surge to trading behaviors, to believe that we were taken advantage of for the duration of the pricing issue. Nevertheless, we are keeping our mind open to the possibility of simple arbitrage trading and not unfair exploit. For this reason, our team is working in a deeper investigation for all accounts that have had balance reset.

For how long would this "deeper investigation" require of your team? By resetting the account balances of the affected users, myself included, to zero, you're effectively denying them the opportunity to trade with their funds during this period of time while your team conduct its investigation. If the result of your investigation concludes that their usage of QUOINE's platform has been legitimate, how would the affected users be compensated for this period which they've lost trading opportunities due to QUOINE's decision to deny them access to their funds?

Secondly, if QUOINE claims that there had been an glitch in QUOINE's trading platform and permanently resets the account balances of users involved in the exploitation of such a glitch, how will the affected trades be reversed? Will the capital surplus from resetting these accounts now belong to QUOINE? Or will they be returned to users who have lost capital in the trades involved?

Last but not least, how will QUOINE be able to assure its future users that their trading activities, and consequently their potential profits, will not be reversed and voided simply because a "pricing glitch" has occurred on your trading platform and that all gains from the affected trades will not be honoured again?
2  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Official Quoine Exchange Thread on: July 14, 2016, 09:14:50 PM
Hi,

Apologies once again for the delayed response on this forum.

I have been advised that notifications and full details are being communicated to the users affected by the pricing issue.

Although I cannot go into detail around the specifics on each case here, I have been assured that our support team will be reaching out to each customer that was affected, and I have asked them to ensure responses are timely.

Balance resets to zero without any notification should not have happened, and I do apologise if this was the case.

To clarify, the act of arbitrage itself is not prohibited on Quoine.

Only accounts where users had mispriced trades that were affected by the pricing issue on our platform have had fiat and bitcoin withdrawals halted during the investigation. I believe there are varying circumstances from case to case, from users that made small profits/reduced profits/losses with a few trades, some large losses, and some that executed many trades manually or with trading software/bots, and have amassed large sums from the initial deposits.

No other customers should be experiencing long delays in fiat/bitcoin deposits/withdrawals - please do raise customer support tickets if this is the case.


1. I have received zero responses for the support requests and emails I've sent to QUOINE since 24th of June - I've been awaiting for a response from QUOINE for more than two weeks and yet did not receive a single reply even till now. On the other hand, I found out through posting about this incident here and over at Reddit that many QUOINE users are having issues getting a response from QUOINE, while QUOINE claims that this is done so as to avoid "tipping off", whatever that is supposed to mean, for compliance investigations. (See reddit link below)

2. My account balances were zeroed out without any notification, which occurred on July 10. I only received an email notification that was sent out on July 12, 5 PM stating that my account balances have been deducted AFTER I have posted details of this incident online on July 12, 1 AM (refer to the date of my first post). Is it that the only way I can get any form of responses and updates from QUOINE is to actually publish details of the matter publicly on an online discussion platform?



3. "To clarify, the act of arbitrage itself is not prohibited on Quoine."
If that's the case, you would be contradicting what is currently presented on your T&C page.



QUOINE's response on reddit: https://web.archive.org/web/20160714204809/https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4sbyb9/advice_needed_singaporebased_bitcoin_trading/
3  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Official Quoine Exchange Thread on: July 14, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
@AlexTrader:
WTF ?! O.ô with that large sum I guess you should try legal actions.

It is of course ridiculous from Quoine to prohibit Arbitrage Cheesy
No serious exchange will prohibit this, because every exchange only profits from arbitrage traders. If not, they are obviously scam!
I planned to use quoine, but it seems I won't.

Thanks for the advice. Handling this matter via the legal route is currently within my considerations. While I respect their rights to prohibit arbitrage on their exchange, I definitely do not appreciate that they have decided to add this new clause to their list of T&Cs without notifying existing users, and that their T&C page still claims to be "Last updated April 2014".
4  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Official Quoine Exchange Thread on: July 11, 2016, 04:52:29 PM
Hi,

TL;DR: Bitcoin trading platform QUOINE claimed that I exploited a glitch in their system, blocked my withdrawal requests, and reset my account balance from US$370,000 to zero without notice.

I bought my first bitcoins via a trading platform known as QUOINE last month. From what I can gather, QUOINE is a bitcoin trading platform based in Singapore and has been a locally registered company (Reg #201414068E) since 2014.

I was introduced to QUOINE and its zero trading fee campaign by a friend of mine. After some research on QUOINE, I believed that they were a trustworthy entity and decided to sign up for an account with them on June 14, 2016. I submitted legal identification documents for account verification and my account was then approved on June 16. On June 18, I transferred SGD from my bank account to QUOINE for the purpose of conducting trading via bitcoins.

On June 20, I wrote a software application that interacts with QUOINE's application programming interface (API) that is available to all users of their trading platform to conduct trading between currency pairs available on their platform.

The basic, functional application that I wrote is capable of conducting trades without any manual input and began trading right after it was completed. I did a test withdrawal of S$500 on the same day and the funds had reached my bank after two days. Through the use of my application, I executed a series of trades that made me profits, all of which were kept in QUOINE.

On June 21, I submitted two withdrawal requests, one at S$19.9K using FAST which takes one business day to complete and the other at S$200K via bank wire which, according to QUOINE, requires three business days. I was contacted by their support staff on June 22 to confirm that the larger withdrawal cannot be performed using FAST as it can only be used for transfers under S$50K and I had told them to proceed with the withdrawals as such (screenshot below). The respective amounts were deducted from my QUOINE account and while the funds from the smaller withdrawal had been deposited in my bank account within the next day, the funds from the larger withdrawal request never arrived.

On June 27, I sent in a support request asking for the status of my pending withdrawal after sending in additional withdrawal requests on June 23 but the support requests went unanswered.

Then on June 29, QUOINE sent me a notification stating that "a price anomaly due to a system glitch allowed continuous arbitrage across various products in the platform", and my account had been flagged out for "having done trades to take advantage of this glitch in violation of our terms & policies and as a result [my] trades during those dates will be reverted." (screenshot below)

I certainly am not aware of any glitch that they claim to be existing in their trading platform, and definitely have not exploited any. The software application I have written was constantly performing trades on QUOINE's platform whenever possible based on the logic that I have implemented and was solely submitting market orders via QUOINE's API. I'm unable to retrieve a history of the market orders submitted during that period from their API as it appears that QUOINE have made it unavailable, but I did maintain a log of my account balance while the application conducted trading.

The first thing I did after receiving their notification on June 29 was to verify whether I did violate their terms and conditions. I visited their Terms and Conditions (T&C) page on their website and a new clause has been added that states that "Arbitrage trading or the ability to extract profits by exploiting pricing differences across different but related products on QUOINE is strictly prohibited". The Terms and Conditions page showed that the page was "Last updated April 2014" but I counter-checked this page against Google's web cache as well as Archive.org and discovered that the new clause did not exist in their T&C page previously, and in particular, prior to the time when I registered my account with QUOINE on June 14 (links to cached page below).

On July 2, I prepared and sent them a letter of demand for a full withdrawal of my account balances via email, and have stated clearly that I expect a response by July 9. Up till now, I have yet to receive a single response from them for both my support requests and demand letter since two weeks ago.

Just recently, I logged in to my QUOINE account and discovered that my SGD account balance has been reset to zero while my other currency balances are set to a negative value. This was done without any notification from QUOINE. I believe that this is not an act of fairness, and I would like to seek advice from various online communities in regards to this matter, particularly from individuals who have been through a similar situation, as I'm uncertain on what would be the best course of action to take from here.

Has anyone here faced such an issue before? If so, I would appreciate your advice on how to proceed on this. Please feel free to write an email to me by sending it to alexbtctrader (at gmail) and I'll respond to all relevant emails and replies as soon as possible. I thank you for taking the time to read my detailed request above.

Screenshots are available on Imgur:
http://imgur.com/a/z7RbJ

T&C page as captured by Archive.org, April 6, 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160406114916/https://www.quoine.com/terms/

T&C page as captured by Google, June 17, 2016:
https://archive.is/u9Cel

T&C page as captured by Archive.is, June 29, 2016:
https://archive.is/hgwxS

T&C page as captured by Archive.org, July 10, 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160710152412/https://www.quoine.com/terms/

Regards,
Alex
5  Economy / Trading Discussion / [Advice needed] Account balance was reset to zero without notice on: July 11, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
Hi,

TL;DR: Bitcoin trading platform QUOINE claimed that I exploited a glitch in their system, blocked my withdrawal requests, and reset my account balance from US$370,000 to zero without notice.

I bought my first bitcoins via a trading platform known as QUOINE last month. From what I can gather, QUOINE is a bitcoin trading platform based in Singapore and has been a locally registered company (Reg #201414068E) since 2014.

I was introduced to QUOINE and its zero trading fee campaign by a friend of mine. After some research on QUOINE, I believed that they were a trustworthy entity and decided to sign up for an account with them on June 14, 2016. I submitted legal identification documents for account verification and my account was then approved on June 16. On June 18, I transferred SGD from my bank account to QUOINE for the purpose of conducting trading via bitcoins.

On June 20, I wrote a software application that interacts with QUOINE's application programming interface (API) that is available to all users of their trading platform to conduct trading between currency pairs available on their platform.

The basic, functional application that I wrote is capable of conducting trades without any manual input and began trading right after it was completed. I did a test withdrawal of S$500 on the same day and the funds had reached my bank after two days. Through the use of my application, I executed a series of trades that made me profits, all of which were kept in QUOINE.

On June 21, I submitted two withdrawal requests, one at S$19.9K using FAST which takes one business day to complete and the other at S$200K via bank wire which, according to QUOINE, requires three business days. I was contacted by their support staff on June 22 to confirm that the larger withdrawal cannot be performed using FAST as it can only be used for transfers under S$50K and I had told them to proceed with the withdrawals as such (screenshot below). The respective amounts were deducted from my QUOINE account and while the funds from the smaller withdrawal had been deposited in my bank account within the next day, the funds from the larger withdrawal request never arrived.

On June 27, I sent in a support request asking for the status of my pending withdrawal after sending in additional withdrawal requests on June 23 but the support requests went unanswered.

Then on June 29, QUOINE sent me a notification stating that "a price anomaly due to a system glitch allowed continuous arbitrage across various products in the platform", and my account had been flagged out for "having done trades to take advantage of this glitch in violation of our terms & policies and as a result [my] trades during those dates will be reverted." (screenshot below)

I certainly am not aware of any glitch that they claim to be existing in their trading platform, and definitely have not exploited any. The software application I have written was constantly performing trades on QUOINE's platform whenever possible based on the logic that I have implemented and was solely submitting market orders via QUOINE's API. I'm unable to retrieve a history of the market orders submitted during that period from their API as it appears that QUOINE have made it unavailable, but I did maintain a log of my account balance while the application conducted trading.

The first thing I did after receiving their notification on June 29 was to verify whether I did violate their terms and conditions. I visited their Terms and Conditions (T&C) page on their website and a new clause has been added that states that "Arbitrage trading or the ability to extract profits by exploiting pricing differences across different but related products on QUOINE is strictly prohibited". The Terms and Conditions page showed that the page was "Last updated April 2014" but I counter-checked this page against Google's web cache as well as Archive.org and discovered that the new clause did not exist in their T&C page previously, and in particular, prior to the time when I registered my account with QUOINE on June 14 (links to cached page below).

On July 2, I prepared and sent them a letter of demand for a full withdrawal of my account balances via email, and have stated clearly that I expect a response by July 9. Up till now, I have yet to receive a single response from them for both my support requests and demand letter since two weeks ago.

Just recently, I logged in to my QUOINE account and discovered that my SGD account balance has been reset to zero while my other currency balances are set to a negative value. This was done without any notification from QUOINE. I believe that this is not an act of fairness, and I would like to seek advice from various online communities in regards to this matter, particularly from individuals who have been through a similar situation, as I'm uncertain on what would be the best course of action to take from here.

Has anyone here faced such an issue before? If so, I would appreciate your advice on how to proceed on this. Please feel free to write an email to me by sending it to alexbtctrader (at gmail) and I'll respond to all relevant emails and replies as soon as possible. I thank you for taking the time to read my detailed request above.

Screenshots are available on Imgur:
http://imgur.com/a/z7RbJ

T&C page as captured by Archive.org, April 6, 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160406114916/https://www.quoine.com/terms/

T&C page as captured by Google, June 17, 2016:
https://archive.is/u9Cel

T&C page as captured by Archive.is, June 29, 2016:
https://archive.is/hgwxS

T&C page as captured by Archive.org, July 10, 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160710152412/https://www.quoine.com/terms/

Regards,
Alex
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